need a charger for 16 volts....

[wizeguy4]

any suggestions on brands or what to look for when buying one?

[ddstang]

The only one I know of is made by turbostart. You can get it at summit racing for $200.

[trafficjamz]

Talk to Nate. the moderator. NETHOLCS i think

[Nate Scholten]

Its probably going to be a lot easier to find a 18 volt charger than a 16 volt charger, and if you have lots of batteries that your trying to charge, a charger thats a little beefier wouldnt hurt. I'm not sure on specifc name brands, but there are quite a few different 12/18/24 chargers on the market. Just be prepared to pay a decent amount of money, they are not all that cheap.

[jaggy]

netlohcs

i have 8 12V batteries in parallel and when i get a hold of a big a$$ 6V battery im going to hook it up in series to my boss amps smile.gif, do you know who do 18V chargers???

do you know if i need a 18V charger or higher??
will it be safe charging 12V batteries plus 6V in series @ 18v???

thanks

jaggy

[Nate Scholten]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jaggy:
netlohcs

i have 8 12V batteries in parallel and when i get a hold of a big a$$ 6V battery im going to hook it up in series to my boss amps smile.gif, do you know who do 18V chargers???

do you know if i need a 18V charger or higher??
will it be safe charging 12V batteries plus 6V in series @ 18v???

thanks

jaggy<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Interesting question. There are two ways you can go about it. First off, yes you could get a beefy 18 volt battery charger and do it that way. Otherwise, what you could do is get a big 12v charger and then use the 6v setting to charge the 6 volt battery, then switch and charge the 12 volt batteries.

You said you have 8 12 volt batteries? You are going to need to find ENORMOUS, straight from hell style 6 volt battery to keep up with them. I would suggest going with multiple smaller 6 volts. Is this going to be for competition only, or are you going to be listening to this all the time?

[jaggy]

competition only nate.

i'd really like to just slap on the charger that will do it at one time, so i was thinking of the turbostart charger that can charge at 20V, will this be too much for the batteries??? i wouldn't think as the 12V's can go upto 14.4V from the standard alternator.

yeah, i dont think you can get really big 6V battery's so i might just settle for loads of little ones.

do you think the amps will be ok with 18v??? smile.gif

jaggy

[Nate Scholten]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jaggy:
competition only nate.

i'd really like to just slap on the charger that will do it at one time, so i was thinking of the turbostart charger that can charge at 20V, will this be too much for the batteries??? i wouldn't think as the 12V's can go upto 14.4V from the standard alternator.
Actually I dont think that turbo start charger would be big enough. Its a maxiumum of 25 amps, and is made specifically for 16 volt turbo start batteries. It constantly monitors the voltage, and once the voltage gets high enough it shuts off. I talked to turbostart about them, and they said that you cannot charge more than two (of their) batteries on one at a time.

yeah, i dont think you can get really big 6V battery's so i might just settle for loads of little ones.
Actually, optima makes batteries that are 1/2 of a yellow top (6 volts). Might want to look into that? Other than those I actually dont know too much about 6 volt batteries.

do you think the amps will be ok with 18v??? smile.gif

Couldnt tell ya smile.gif The only amps i really know a lot about are crossfire BMF 1000ds. You'd have to get in touch with boss about that one.

jaggy<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You havent said what kind of vehicle you plan on doing this in.. but honestly, I think getting a solid 20 volt alternator would be the way to go. I am running 16 volts in my car, and that Is what I elected to do. I bought my alternator from Dominick Iraggi, he has excellent prices (for what your getting) and customer support. His email is:
dominick@tds.net

For the money your thinking of spending on chargers, you can probably get an alternator for around the same price. Just something to think about.

[timmi]

20 volt alternator.... yeessh thats alot :D

[jaggy]

nate thanks.

its a honda civic hatchback, the small one.

i've seen some guys chargering around 8 turbostart batteries off the one charger, i think they were charging all of them in one go.

I would like to put an extra alternator in there, but it would have to be at 18V as i wouldn't be able to drop the voltage down to 18V if the car was running, plus its only a 1.3l car so im not too sure if it will work well smile.gif

i've emailed Quick Charge inc, i think they are the guys who make the turbostart batteries.

I really dont mind just charging up the batteries before the shows and during the shows and not using an alternator.

jaggy

[Nate Scholten]

The alternator is fully variable, 14 - 20 volts.

[smebysound]

i thought you where limited to 18V MAX in comps?

[jaggy]

cool...

wheres that email gone..

nate what batteries are you using???? turbostart 16v or innerstate 8v's or something else???

also nate, the guy from quick charge email me back.

he said they have a charger, a 60amp charger and charges at 18V. $350 worth it??? plus an extra $100 for shipping to UK...

http://www.quickcharge.com/stationary.html

one last thing..is it better to charge 18V system at 20V or 18V flat????

thanks for the help nate..

jaggy

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[trafficjamz]

one last thing..is it better to charge 18V system at 20V or 18V flat????

I thought you were charging a 16 volt battery set-up? If so I would set the regulator to 18.0 volts.

[jaggy]

trafficjamz
yeah when you charge you charge slightly higher. Ray from quick chage said 2.5V for deep cycle and 2.3V for normal batts.

Im gonna be different so 18V smile.gif so me will charge at just above 20v.

jaggy

[Nate Scholten]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jaggy:
cool...

wheres that email gone..
dominick@tds.net <---- dominick's email

nate what batteries are you using???? turbostart 16v or innerstate 8v's or something else???
turbostarts


also nate, the guy from quick charge email me back.

he said they have a charger, a 60amp charger and charges at 18V. $350 worth it??? plus an extra $100 for shipping to UK...

I would say thats not a very good deal. For the same price (roughly) you can get that 200 amp alternator from dominick, which would allow you to charge your system over 3x quicker and you would not need to plug anything in.

http://www.quickcharge.com/stationary.html

one last thing..is it better to charge 18V system at 20V or 18V flat????

thanks for the help nate..

actually if you are running a true 18 volt system you would need at least 20 volts to charge it. You need to have a HIGHER voltage in order to achieve a charge, since what you are doing is sending a reverse current back through the battery, which re-charges the acid in the cells. On a final note, are you planning on competing in db drag? If so, you need to remember that your electrical system cannot exceed 18 volts, and if you do a "18 volt system", its actually going to rest at around 19 or so volts, if not higher. You need to find out if those boss amps can take 19-20 volts before you go through with this.
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[jaggy]

well the guys at boss dont recommend anything more then 14.4... :( but who cares!! :D

i wil try 18V first, if i see magic smoke..opps! 16V it is...

i think noting that the 18V system will actually be slightly higher, i.e. my 12Vs register at 12.8V or something like that, then i'll have to get two big 2V cells or one 4V sell to make around 16V yes?, and then charge at around 18V??

jaggy

[Nate Scholten]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jaggy:
well the guys at boss dont recommend anything more then 14.4... :( but who cares!! :D

i wil try 18V first, if i see magic smoke..opps! 16V it is...

i think noting that the 18V system will actually be slightly higher, i.e. my 12Vs register at 12.8V or something like that, then i'll have to get two big 2V cells or one 4V sell to make around 16V yes?, and then charge at around 18V??

jaggy<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sounds about right.

[Nate Scholten]

Also, someone suggesting not to go over 14.4 sounds like a technician reading out of a manual, that doesnt really know anything about the product. Find out if they can be modified, and the specific voltages at which they go into protect/fry.

[wizeguy4]

I think I may just use my alternators to charge. They have an external voltage regulator that goes up to 18V

[jaggy]

nate

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Also, someone suggesting not to go over 14.4 sounds like a technician reading out of a manual, that doesnt really know anything about the product. Find out if they can be modified, and the specific voltages at which they go into protect/fry.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

i know 14.4 is like a reading from the manual...stupid people...i will try just above 16V as like you said using 12V+6V might float just above 18V and we can't have that!!

i will use 12V + 4V or 2x2V, i think float might be 16.5V-17V.

thanks nate.

not too sure about charging still, the alternator sounds the better buy but i have no room for an extra alt and if i put it in the original alternators place what will my car electrics do..???

jaggy

[Stuart Smith]

Jaggy
I have my 12volt battery setup at 15.3 volts in competition. So an 18Volt setup fully charged would be nearer to 20-21volts, Illegal in DB Drag. Even with a 16volt setup you will need good regulation of the batteries or it may still go over 18 volts. I know a place in Nottingham who can do BIG capacity 6 & 12volt batteries let me know & i'll sort the Tel. number out for you. I think 1 14volt setup would be best for you fully charged probably still around 17 volts smile.gif

[jaggy]

Cheers Stuart
What batteries are you using?
Im thinking of getting some 4V batteries and check what i float at.

Also, i've seen some people burp the car a few times to drop the voltage down a little.

what charging system are you using?

jaggy

[Nate Scholten]

Your average battery cell rests at around 2.15... I THINK? Thus you could pretty easily get any mulitiple of 2.15

[jaggy]

cool..im gonna try get 2x2V cells..

then i have the charging problem..ummm

jaggy

[Nate Scholten]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jaggy:
cool..im gonna try get 2x2V cells..

then i have the charging problem..ummm

jaggy<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm tellin ya, talk to dominick, he will hook you up smile.gif

[trafficjamz]

Hey Jaggy, I can get any voltage cell you need. If you want, I can get a 2 volt cell thats the size of a car battery. Not sure of the price though.

[wizeguy4]

Where are you guys finding 2V Batts. I have called almost all of the major manufacturers here in the US and they tell me they do not have one. Are they lying? Or what

[jaggy]

nate
yep that variable voltage alternator is looking like the best option soo far.

I was thinking running 16V, 12V+2V+2V hopefully float will be just under 18V, then I put that alternator along with the standard one and charge while i drive to the shows at 18-19V.

thanks nate.

what i need to do first is get my 2V batteries and test out the amps...

boss+18V = loud!!! :D :D :D :D

they told me:-
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>With a 16V you may destroy the power supply section of the amplifier because it is designed to work with a 14.4V maximum.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
they dont understand how crazy i really am!!
hope the 6 year warranty is still good :D :D


trafficjamz
thanks for the offer but shipping to UK would be too much.

jaggy

[jaggy]

nate
just looked at the engine bay...man its tight!!!

looks like i can only replace the existing alternator, no room for an extra alternator.

What i may end up doing is this:-
I have room maybe, for a 2V battery up front on the far side. Connect this up in series to the 12V then get a bigger alternator in the same place as the old one.

Then i can charge my system with at least 16V and not ruin the car electrics.

good??

jaggy

[timmi]

jaggy i wonder what BOSS is going to say when you have 8 amplifiers that have burned up power supplies, all to be waranteed at once?? you dont think that will look kinda obvious..?? smile.gif

[jaggy]

i'll say i made a little mistake smile.gif

they dont seem to cry much at 14.4v, dont see how the extra 1.6V could kill em :D

jaggy

[timmi]

hopefully boss is one of those companies that will warantee *mistakes* made by the consumer... not many will do this for you... warantees are generally for manufacture defects ya know...
but there is no way to find out until you try it... smile.gif

[jaggy]

consumer???? who is the consumer...i think you mean distrubter smile.gif, why else would I use boss..???? im just trying to help them get some of their reputation back. People say, boss and think...crap...i look at boss and say..nice gear, lets see what it can do.

i know my efforts will only help a little but its better then nothing.

jaggy

[timmi]

haha, i like the way you think jaggy. i read that you are staying at 16 volts. good choice. thats alot safer than 18. but i dont think boss ever really had a good reputation in the first place, so there is no harm in what you are doing smile.gif

[jaggy]

hahahah

very true timmi, hopefully i can help them make a rep then!

160 (with boss) here i come!!!
ohh yeah, the quad shockers also help a little :D :D

jaggy

[limige]

i had ohi gen. turn my regulator up to 15.8 volts, i suggest just tweeking the alt myself you have to have a h.o. one anyway just have the regulator adjusted where you want it.