Lenzflare
10-26-1999, 03:37 PM
As we all have been doing, I have thought long and hard about how classes should be in 2000. We all have been reading the posts and formulating our own ideas. So have I. I have read all of the posts so far, and have taken the most popular ideas by all, and I think I have come up with a solution that everyone would agree with. I also have taken some free time to figure out a good way to run the Regional competition. The reason for this post is that I am asking for whoever agrees with this post "sign" it with your post. I am not trying to get my idea be the one that goes, but if we all seem to agree on one idea, rather than make Wayne read everyone elses jumbled ideas in that other thread (and I know he is a busy man), we may not get the results that we are hopefully shooting for. So, here's my proposal.
DIVISIONS AND CLASSES
FIRST OFF, there are considerations. The World level and local level have 2 distinct competitive spirits. Local is usually the little guys (i.e. daily drivers) with their local big hitter. The world level is mostly just big hitters. So, to open up the World Finals for more competition, more classes should be run on the World level than on the local level. The World level represents all dB Drag classes, as it should.
WORLD LEVEL (Nationals, Triple, Double)
These are the classes that must be conformed to at TRPs, DBLs, Nationals, and Finals
STOCK (ama and pro)
- A (1 woofer up to 1 15" woofer)
- B (2 woofers up to 2 15" woofers)
- C (3-4 woofers up to 4 15" woofers)
Stock cars would have to meet the follow criteria:
1.) Must be STREET LEGAL
2.) Must see out back window (if so equipped)
3.) Enclosure must not break the plane of the rear seats in all cars or be higher than the rear seats of the car (in hatches and station wagons). Trucks and two seaters are only allowed an enclosure behind the front seats that is no higher than the rear window. If the rear window is not present, the plane created by the top of the dash will be used as the maximun height the enclosure can be.
4.) No alterations to the vehicle from stock. Allowed will be electrical system upgrading, console rebuilding to house system compnents.
5.) Dash board, windows, doors, ceiling and floor must not be altered for the enhancement of SPL. If altered to house system components, this is acceptable.
6.) Any kick panel or speaker housing that is home to a driver of 8" or larger will be considered a sub-woofer and will place the vehicle in the "Semi-MOD" class. If driver is smaller than 8" or proven to be disconnected from the system, it will be allowed in stock.
7.) Further specifics to be ratified by the DBDRA.
SEMI-MOD (ama and pro)
1-2 woofers
3-4 woofers
5-6 woofers
7-8 woofers
9-12 woofers
12+ woofers
Semi-MOD cars would have to fit the following criteria.:
1.) Must be STREET LEGAL
2.) No alterations to the vehicle from stock. Allowed will be electrical system upgrading, console rebuilding to house system compnents.
3.) DASH BOARD, doors, ceiling and floor must not be altered for the enhancement of SPL. Bracing will be allowed from floor to ceiling. Dash vents may be sealed off. Windows may be replaced with Plexi or Bullet proof glass, but bracing is illegal. If window was meant to open, it must be able to be opened. Door latches are acceptable, but not create a hazard. Any Component driver 8" or larger will be considered a sub, and your class will be determined with those in mind.
4.) Walls are allowed. The Enclosure must pass the string test and not break that plane. If a wall is present, but two side mirrors are not, the vehicle will not be considered "street legal" and therefore must compete in Full-MOD.
5.) Other specifics to be determined by the DBDRA.
FULL-MOD
Ama 0-2500 watts, 2500-5K, 5-10K, 10K+
Pro 0-5000 watts, 5-10K, 10K+
FULL MOD vehicles must conform to the 1999 rules set forth and any other rules the DBDRA decides.
LOCAL LEVEL
ALL RULES ABOVE MUST BE FOLLOWED. ALL EVENTS MUST HOLD THE CLASSES BELOW.
STOCK
1,2,3-4 woofers. (1st-3rd must be awarded)
SEMI-MOD
1-4,5-8,9+ woofers (1st must be awarded)
FULL-MOD UNLIMITED
ANY CAR THAT DOESN'T FIT THE GUIDELINE FOR STOCK OR SEMI-MOD. (1st awarded)
All local level shows must run brackets for at least the top 4 in each class. If a show can't afford the time and money for 13 trophies and the top four brackets, they should not be allowed to run shows. Also, if they are using dB DRAG RACING to sanction their shows, they must post results within 2 weeks of the event. Also, a host should only be allowed to host 1 show that is good for points within a two week period. They can hold as many shows as they like just so long as they don't fall within the same two weeks. Shops can host shows more than once in a two week period, but only one can be good for points. This will keep point rushes down near the end of the season, like we saw all over this year.
CIRCUIT CITY should be urged to host more classes than just these, since their turn out is usually twice than that of the local shop shows.
These classes will open the eyes of the new compeitior, allow daily drivers to still hit high SPLs, and still allow the big hitters to do their thing, without having to merge amatuers and pros at finals. I beleive Wayne was refering to me as the one who proposed state and regional championships, so here are my regionals ideas:
REGIONAL COMPETITION
http://www.fortunecity.com/tatooine/ridleyscott/156/regionmap.jpg
The above is a map of the specific regions. It is broke into 8 regions. (Canada and Mexico, Alaska and Hawaii would all need to be address as to what region they are in) Denser areas of population have smaller regional borders. Less dense areas, like the mountain areas in the west, have larger areas. This evens the number of competitiors per region. Now, here is how it works:
Regional Events
These are held in late July to early August. One per Region, located somewhere in the average middle of the populus of the region. This means that region 4's event would lean more towards the LA area.
-To Compete in the event -
You must be from that specific region (DL for proof)
You must have at least 24 points (3 1sts, 4 3rds, etc.)
The first and second place winners of each class are welcomed to the Nationals. Seeing as not everyone will make it, the Nationals wouldn't get too huge, but still would have enough competitors.
NATIONALS
Held sometime before finals, maybe at USAC finals. The competitors for this event must have placed at least 1st or 2nd in their specific region. The first place winners of the Nationals get an automatic qualification to the top 8 at world finals in their respective classes.
STATE CHAMPIONSHIPS
I also advocate that each state have a DBL event as a STATE CHAMPIONSHIP. A reputable shop should be chosen from each state, maybe in the capitals, to host a DBL event sometime during the year. This event would be recorded as a State Championship. ALL classes should be offered. Classes could then be trimmed due to turn out. To compete, you obviously must be from your state verified by DL. No points requirement. This would be really AWESOME for the little guys. Something to brag on the local level!
Those are my ideas. I think that this format would create an awesome start to the millenium for dB drag racing. I think this format would put dbDrag Racing in the top spot over USAC and IASCA. I don't see anyone complaining about unfair competition. If their are any problems with this format, that could be determined after SBN2K. Classes could then be altered, added, or deleted. This of course is all up to Wayne Harris and the dBDRA. I am not trying to tell people what to do or how to do it. Sometimes, though, when an idea is presented, it gives people insight on the way to go.
SO, I ASK THAT ALL OF YOU WHO AGREE WITH THIS PLEASESIGN IT WITH YOUR POST.
IF YOU DISAGREE, PLEASE POST AS WELL. I DON'T WANT THIS POST TO END UP BEING ARGUMENTS ABOUT WHAT TO AND NOT TO DO. THAT IS WHAT WAYNE'S POST IS FOR. PLEASE JUST PLACE A VOTE FOR OR AGAINST THIS IDEA.
If many of us agree on one idea, that may be the way Wayne will go. If we all are against each other, we won't accomplish anything. I'll accept any criticisms by E-mail, but lets keep this thread clean an clear, and straight to the point. PLEASE. I took over 2 hours for this post, and ave put my all my heart into it. I just want to see this sport become fair fo everyone, not just those who win all the time!
Also, PATRIOT, I would like to hear from you on my ideas here. I know that you agree with me before, and have been using a similar format. I'm just curious what you think.
Thanks to you all for taking the time to read my post! http://www.termpro.com/ubb/smile.gif
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Daniel Lenz
Ama 1-2
Member of TEAM EPICENTER
"Step Up To The Button"
146.2 legal best 147.0 outlaw best 149.4 outlaw extreme best
"Wisconsin's Loudest!! 1-2 Woofers"
***This post represents only my views, not those of Team Epicenter***
[This message has been edited by Lenzflare (edited 10-26-99).]
DIVISIONS AND CLASSES
FIRST OFF, there are considerations. The World level and local level have 2 distinct competitive spirits. Local is usually the little guys (i.e. daily drivers) with their local big hitter. The world level is mostly just big hitters. So, to open up the World Finals for more competition, more classes should be run on the World level than on the local level. The World level represents all dB Drag classes, as it should.
WORLD LEVEL (Nationals, Triple, Double)
These are the classes that must be conformed to at TRPs, DBLs, Nationals, and Finals
STOCK (ama and pro)
- A (1 woofer up to 1 15" woofer)
- B (2 woofers up to 2 15" woofers)
- C (3-4 woofers up to 4 15" woofers)
Stock cars would have to meet the follow criteria:
1.) Must be STREET LEGAL
2.) Must see out back window (if so equipped)
3.) Enclosure must not break the plane of the rear seats in all cars or be higher than the rear seats of the car (in hatches and station wagons). Trucks and two seaters are only allowed an enclosure behind the front seats that is no higher than the rear window. If the rear window is not present, the plane created by the top of the dash will be used as the maximun height the enclosure can be.
4.) No alterations to the vehicle from stock. Allowed will be electrical system upgrading, console rebuilding to house system compnents.
5.) Dash board, windows, doors, ceiling and floor must not be altered for the enhancement of SPL. If altered to house system components, this is acceptable.
6.) Any kick panel or speaker housing that is home to a driver of 8" or larger will be considered a sub-woofer and will place the vehicle in the "Semi-MOD" class. If driver is smaller than 8" or proven to be disconnected from the system, it will be allowed in stock.
7.) Further specifics to be ratified by the DBDRA.
SEMI-MOD (ama and pro)
1-2 woofers
3-4 woofers
5-6 woofers
7-8 woofers
9-12 woofers
12+ woofers
Semi-MOD cars would have to fit the following criteria.:
1.) Must be STREET LEGAL
2.) No alterations to the vehicle from stock. Allowed will be electrical system upgrading, console rebuilding to house system compnents.
3.) DASH BOARD, doors, ceiling and floor must not be altered for the enhancement of SPL. Bracing will be allowed from floor to ceiling. Dash vents may be sealed off. Windows may be replaced with Plexi or Bullet proof glass, but bracing is illegal. If window was meant to open, it must be able to be opened. Door latches are acceptable, but not create a hazard. Any Component driver 8" or larger will be considered a sub, and your class will be determined with those in mind.
4.) Walls are allowed. The Enclosure must pass the string test and not break that plane. If a wall is present, but two side mirrors are not, the vehicle will not be considered "street legal" and therefore must compete in Full-MOD.
5.) Other specifics to be determined by the DBDRA.
FULL-MOD
Ama 0-2500 watts, 2500-5K, 5-10K, 10K+
Pro 0-5000 watts, 5-10K, 10K+
FULL MOD vehicles must conform to the 1999 rules set forth and any other rules the DBDRA decides.
LOCAL LEVEL
ALL RULES ABOVE MUST BE FOLLOWED. ALL EVENTS MUST HOLD THE CLASSES BELOW.
STOCK
1,2,3-4 woofers. (1st-3rd must be awarded)
SEMI-MOD
1-4,5-8,9+ woofers (1st must be awarded)
FULL-MOD UNLIMITED
ANY CAR THAT DOESN'T FIT THE GUIDELINE FOR STOCK OR SEMI-MOD. (1st awarded)
All local level shows must run brackets for at least the top 4 in each class. If a show can't afford the time and money for 13 trophies and the top four brackets, they should not be allowed to run shows. Also, if they are using dB DRAG RACING to sanction their shows, they must post results within 2 weeks of the event. Also, a host should only be allowed to host 1 show that is good for points within a two week period. They can hold as many shows as they like just so long as they don't fall within the same two weeks. Shops can host shows more than once in a two week period, but only one can be good for points. This will keep point rushes down near the end of the season, like we saw all over this year.
CIRCUIT CITY should be urged to host more classes than just these, since their turn out is usually twice than that of the local shop shows.
These classes will open the eyes of the new compeitior, allow daily drivers to still hit high SPLs, and still allow the big hitters to do their thing, without having to merge amatuers and pros at finals. I beleive Wayne was refering to me as the one who proposed state and regional championships, so here are my regionals ideas:
REGIONAL COMPETITION
http://www.fortunecity.com/tatooine/ridleyscott/156/regionmap.jpg
The above is a map of the specific regions. It is broke into 8 regions. (Canada and Mexico, Alaska and Hawaii would all need to be address as to what region they are in) Denser areas of population have smaller regional borders. Less dense areas, like the mountain areas in the west, have larger areas. This evens the number of competitiors per region. Now, here is how it works:
Regional Events
These are held in late July to early August. One per Region, located somewhere in the average middle of the populus of the region. This means that region 4's event would lean more towards the LA area.
-To Compete in the event -
You must be from that specific region (DL for proof)
You must have at least 24 points (3 1sts, 4 3rds, etc.)
The first and second place winners of each class are welcomed to the Nationals. Seeing as not everyone will make it, the Nationals wouldn't get too huge, but still would have enough competitors.
NATIONALS
Held sometime before finals, maybe at USAC finals. The competitors for this event must have placed at least 1st or 2nd in their specific region. The first place winners of the Nationals get an automatic qualification to the top 8 at world finals in their respective classes.
STATE CHAMPIONSHIPS
I also advocate that each state have a DBL event as a STATE CHAMPIONSHIP. A reputable shop should be chosen from each state, maybe in the capitals, to host a DBL event sometime during the year. This event would be recorded as a State Championship. ALL classes should be offered. Classes could then be trimmed due to turn out. To compete, you obviously must be from your state verified by DL. No points requirement. This would be really AWESOME for the little guys. Something to brag on the local level!
Those are my ideas. I think that this format would create an awesome start to the millenium for dB drag racing. I think this format would put dbDrag Racing in the top spot over USAC and IASCA. I don't see anyone complaining about unfair competition. If their are any problems with this format, that could be determined after SBN2K. Classes could then be altered, added, or deleted. This of course is all up to Wayne Harris and the dBDRA. I am not trying to tell people what to do or how to do it. Sometimes, though, when an idea is presented, it gives people insight on the way to go.
SO, I ASK THAT ALL OF YOU WHO AGREE WITH THIS PLEASESIGN IT WITH YOUR POST.
IF YOU DISAGREE, PLEASE POST AS WELL. I DON'T WANT THIS POST TO END UP BEING ARGUMENTS ABOUT WHAT TO AND NOT TO DO. THAT IS WHAT WAYNE'S POST IS FOR. PLEASE JUST PLACE A VOTE FOR OR AGAINST THIS IDEA.
If many of us agree on one idea, that may be the way Wayne will go. If we all are against each other, we won't accomplish anything. I'll accept any criticisms by E-mail, but lets keep this thread clean an clear, and straight to the point. PLEASE. I took over 2 hours for this post, and ave put my all my heart into it. I just want to see this sport become fair fo everyone, not just those who win all the time!
Also, PATRIOT, I would like to hear from you on my ideas here. I know that you agree with me before, and have been using a similar format. I'm just curious what you think.
Thanks to you all for taking the time to read my post! http://www.termpro.com/ubb/smile.gif
------------------
Daniel Lenz
Ama 1-2
Member of TEAM EPICENTER
"Step Up To The Button"
146.2 legal best 147.0 outlaw best 149.4 outlaw extreme best
"Wisconsin's Loudest!! 1-2 Woofers"
***This post represents only my views, not those of Team Epicenter***
[This message has been edited by Lenzflare (edited 10-26-99).]