Classes vs Prize Money at Events

[Wayne Harris]

In 2001, the dBDRA had 12 standard classes of competition. At events where prize money is awarded (ie World Finals), the prize money pool is divided equally among all 12 classes, with 1st-3rd place winners in each class receiving a distrubution.

The 3 issues I would like to discuss are...

1. Should the prize money for winners in each division of competition (Street, SS, and Extreme) be the same?

2. Should prize money be awarded to 1st-3rd place winners or just 1st place winners?

3. Should we combine some classes. This would result in more prize money being awarded for each of the remaining classes?

What are your thoughts on this? Please ensure that your STATS button (and link) is included in your response.

[dBSteve]

I like the idea of combining classes.

Reasons: Now days, basically most classes are doing the same scores anyway. It would save time at finals to make sure everyone gets equal opertunity in the lanes ( Judges and Competitors )in other words, we would have more time to inspect and the competitor would have more time to set up. More prize money is always good. Prize money should be given to 1st-3rd place, IMO. An equal amount of prize money should be given to each division ( Street, SS & Ex.)

[fixxxer]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Wayne Harris:

1. Should the prize money for winners in each division of competition (Street, SS, and Extreme) be the same?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, everyone is just as dedicated (to a certain extent).

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Wayne Harris:

2. Should prize money be awarded to 1st-3rd place winners or just 1st place winners?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

1st-3rd in my opinion. With descending amounts to 3rd place.

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Wayne Harris:

3. Should we combine some classes. This would result in more prize money being awarded for each of the remaining classes?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Personally, I think some of the Extreme classes should be combined. To what extent, I'm not sure. But look at the scores from finals, Extreme 1-2 was just as loud as Extreme 13+. Maybe combine some of the Extreme classes and have higher payout for them only?

Just my thoughts.

[ 12-14-2001: Message edited by: fixxxer ]

[MTXTHUNDER321]

As a Street competitor I would say keep all prize money equal across the board, but in reality extreem deserves and should have a higher payout

[jimmyo007]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by dBSteve:
I like the idea of combining classes.

Reasons: Now days, basically most classes are doing the same scores anyway. It would save time at finals to make sure everyone gets equal opertunity in the lanes ( Judges and Competitors )in other words, we would have more time to inspect and the competitor would have more time to set up. More prize money is always good. Prize money should be given to 1st-3rd place, IMO. An equal amount of prize money should be given to each division ( Street, SS & Ex.)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Agreed.

[Anthony]

1. Prize money should be the same.
2. dosnt matter either way. Maybe a member vote.
3. I think that the extreme 9-12, and 13+ should be combined.As they where in 2000.

All other classes should remain the same for Super Street, and extreme.

[Mike De Pace]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by dBSteve:
I like the idea of combining classes.

Reasons: Now days, basically most classes are doing the same scores anyway. It would save time at finals to make sure everyone gets equal opertunity in the lanes ( Judges and Competitors )in other words, we would have more time to inspect and the competitor would have more time to set up. More prize money is always good. Prize money should be given to 1st-3rd place, IMO. An equal amount of prize money should be given to each division ( Street, SS & Ex.)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Good call Steve!

[Bad4x4]

1. I think all prize money should be equal from class to class.
2. Some class should be combined. That would save alot of time at finals and all other comps.
3. I think the top 3 deserve the prize money, with decending amounts, just like if they were to hand out trophies or etc.

[ 12-14-2001: Message edited by: BadGT ]

[Anthony]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fixxxer:


Personally, I think some of the Extreme classes should be combined. To what extent, I'm not sure. But look at the scores from finals, Extreme 1-2 was just as loud as Extreme 13+. Maybe combine some of the Extreme classes and have higher payout for them only?

Just my thoughts.

[ 12-14-2001: Message edited by: fixxxer ]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
So since the scores in SS are pretty close to the same. 1-2 172 ,3-4 171 ,5-8 170 ,9+ 171
should we combine those as well ?

[jimmyo007]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Full Moon Racing:

So since the scores in SS are pretty close to the same. 1-2 172 ,3-4 171 ,5-8 170 ,9+ 171
should we combine those as well ?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I hear what year saying Anthony.
I think you are right, it would'nt be fair to combine any class.
:(

[fixxxer]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Full Moon Racing:

So since the scores in SS are pretty close to the same. 1-2 172 ,3-4 171 ,5-8 170 ,9+ 171
should we combine those as well ?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Maybe if you look at JUST the 1st place scores for those classes.. But lets look at the "big" picture. 4th place in EX 1-2 was louder than 4th place in EX 13+, do you see that same trend in SS? No, which is why I suggested combining some of Extreme but not SS.

(edit/addition)
Hell, now that I look at it, ALL of the EX 1-2 competitors were louder than the EX 13+'s who had the same placing. (meaning that 1st place 1-2 was louder than 1st place 13+, 2nd place 1-2 was louder than 2nd place 13+, 3rd place 1-2 was louder than 3rd place 13+, 4th place 1-2 was louder than 4th place 13+, 5th place 1-2 was louder than 5th place 13+, 6th place 1-2 was louder than 6th place 13+..and so on) See where I am going with this?

[ 12-14-2001: Message edited by: fixxxer ]

[Nutz]

I have to agree about the Extreme Classes. The scores are two close. Even a one woofer car is in the 70's. In SS their is still a difference in the scores.

Extreme 1-4, 5-8, 9+.

I think that would be a good combination.

Prize money could be equal and offered 1-3rd.
(I wonder why I said that)=========&gt;

[jliehr]

I like combining classes to this:
SS NW
SS 1-3
SS 4-6
SS 7+

Ex 1-3
Ex 4-6
Ex 7-10
Ex 11+

This would eliminate 2 classes, after adding the 2 street classes would provide 10 classes total.

IMHO

smile.gif

[ROB-BOB]

I think extreme should stay the way it is. I guarantee this year SS1-2 will be as loud as SS9+.

Robert Marks

[170typhoon]

i like the classes that jliehr suggested.... but if street is not going to be offered at finals then we would not need to combine any classes... i think that we need figure out whats going to happen with street before we change any classes.....

[ShockingCanada]

I say that the classes stay the same so people don't have to rebuild their extreme vehicles (that will make many people retire)
Also, I think prize money should be for 1st 2nd and 3rd and that it sohould be given out at EVERY SHOW...I personally don't want trophies...I am sure the only people who want trophies are the beginnners so give trophies and smaller prize money to the street guys and prize money and no trophies to the other guys
Also, you should standardize the prize money as well as the entry fee at all events. say a single point is 15 a double is 30 and a triple is 45 to enter and have the same scheme for prize money...say 25 to first 15 to second and 10 to third at a single, 50 for first 30 for second and 20 for third at a double and 100 for first, 50 for second and 25 for third at a triple...and make this the MINIMUM prize money

[Neill Barber]

Wayne here goes my openion. Hope not to fall on deaf ears.

1 & 2. Prize money should be equal for SS and Extreme classes.
a) SS prize money to be awarded 1st-3rd with the amount of the prize in decending increments from 1st-3rd.
b) Extreme prize money of equal amounts for 1st-3rd. Grouping of extreme classes together will yield a larger payout to all.

3. A grouping of Extreme classes would allow for an expansion of SS classes (db drags fastest growing division).
a) SS 1-2NW, 1-2, 3-4, 5-6, 7-8, 9+
Ex 1-3, 4-6, 7+
b) SS 1-2NW, 1-2, 3-4, 5-6, 7-8, 9-12, 12+
Ex 1-4, 5-8, 9+

As you can see these loose class suggestions allow for addition of street classes without exceding 12 classes total.

NeillBarber tongue.gif

[dB Don]

I thinjk the bigger payouts should be in the extreme classes and be awarded to 1,2,3 places. This will encourage people to move up in classes and strive for bigger pay offs.

Extreme classes should be combined to allow the bigger payoffs with out more expenses.

Extreme: 1
Extreme: 2-4
Extreme: 5+
Ultimate Extreme: (things like servo 60" woofers) Lets let our minds loose with creativity!


Street should have something done to discourage pro's from taking an easy win. Street should be at finals but it should be limited to new faces to the competition circut.


Super street can be the same.

This would also leave less classes for a much bigger payout and reduce Waynes headache with paying peoples overtime at finals. And there is more time to meet friends and enjoy the show.

I hope I have shed some new thoughts and maybe inspired some people to help move dB Drag to a level where we all win one way or another.

[limige]

glad you brought it up db don that's exactly what's on my mind.

also to add, it takes much more money to build an exteme vehicle and i think the prize should increase like wise.

really, a street vehicle with less than $1500 into it getting the same cash as an extreme with $3000-4000 easy?!!!

1-3 equal prize money all catagory's.
street should get least amounts then increased into the extreme class.

i wouldn't touch the classes except for the extreme's. with less people competing in extreme class and scores being so close i think they should be grouped. how so maybe another thread.

[spl is my game]

Classes should stay the same and as a extreme competitor I still feel payouts should be the same for 1-3 place in decending amounts.I built a extreme vehicle because I wanted to not because it makes me more money I did It to be the loudest vehicle in the world just like everyone else does. Money is great but just like sports it ruins the fun, people play or do what they do for the love as money gets larger so does the disapointment when you lose it, in turn promoting cheating or unsportsman like conduct. We don't need negative attitude derived from money nor do any of us want to rebuild our vehicles because someone wants to combine classes. Eliminate gray areas in rules and leave the clases and money as I stated above.. just my 2 cents. BEN SAMS my stats button is inop.

[Terry Jackson]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR> 1. Prize money should be the same.
2. dosnt matter either way. Maybe a member vote.
3. I think that the extreme 9-12, and 13+ should be combined.As they where in 2000.
All other classes should remain the same for Super Street, and extreme.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


i have to agree with Anthony Lloyd on this.
about the only classes that should be combined are ex9-12 and 13+

[Anthony]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fixxxer:


Hell, now that I look at it, ALL of the EX 1-2 competitors were louder than the EX 13+'s who had the same placing. (meaning that 1st place 1-2 was louder than 1st place 13+, 2nd place 1-2 was louder than 2nd place 13+, 3rd place 1-2 was louder than 3rd place 13+, 4th place 1-2 was louder than 4th place 13+, 5th place 1-2 was louder than 5th place 13+, 6th place 1-2 was louder than 6th place 13+..and so on) See where I am going with this?

[ 12-14-2001: Message edited by: fixxxer ]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I am looking at the big picture. I have had a extreme car for the last 4 years. I've built a ss car last season for a friend. I have worked on street cars.
Have you ever seen the bill it takes to build a competive extreme car ,evan in 1-2 ?
Let alone 13+. You are looking at over 100,000 dollars just to build a 13+ car.
I spent 12,000 dollars just to build my extreme car. That does not include a tow vechile, trailor, and travel costs.I can not afford to move or compete against someone with 4 woofers. It cost my Friend at lot less to build his SS 1-2. I believe he spent 3000 to build his system. Which did over a 160.
do you understand how hard it is for someone to gain 1.5db in whicj it would take for a 1-2 car to catch and beat a 3-4 vechile?It is alot easyer to gain 1.5 db in a superstreet ot a street vechile. We gained 3 db in his truck by changing out subs and added 4 amps. Which was a very cheap upgrade.
I would have to spend at least 5 grand more to add 2 subs , 8 amps and 12 more batteries to be in the ballpark for that type of gain. That would not include a new trailor to support the weight I would add to my vechile. to add to the overal cost of competing.

I didnt have to build a extreme car, neither did any of the extreme guys. We do this a passion for the sport.But without these cars. This sport would not be as successfull.
By combining this class. You would see a influx of extreme guys either
A. Retire or B. Move down.
2 things you dont need.
Do you really want guys like Cook, Hughes ,Reid, Benton and countless others. to drop into the Super street classes and dominate.
the extreme classes are for all the glory. The Winston Cup of Db Drag Racing. These are by far the toughest classes of all.

[ASTRO SLAM]

combining classes, yeah right and you think people are complaining now. since the vast majority of competitors dont recieve prize money, it would do more harm than good. :(

[fixxxer]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Full Moon Racing:


I am looking at the big picture. I have had a extreme car for the last 4 years. I've built a ss car last season for a friend. I have worked on street cars.
Have you ever seen the bill it takes to build a competive extreme car ,evan in 1-2 ?
Let alone 13+. You are looking at over 100,000 dollars just to build a 13+ car.
I spent 12,000 dollars just to build my extreme car. That does not include a tow vechile, trailor, and travel costs.I can not afford to move or compete against someone with 4 woofers. It cost my Friend at lot less to build his SS 1-2. I believe he spent 3000 to build his system. Which did over a 160.
do you understand how hard it is for someone to gain 1.5db in whicj it would take for a 1-2 car to catch and beat a 3-4 vechile?It is alot easyer to gain 1.5 db in a superstreet ot a street vechile. We gained 3 db in his truck by changing out subs and added 4 amps. Which was a very cheap upgrade.
I would have to spend at least 5 grand more to add 2 subs , 8 amps and 12 more batteries to be in the ballpark for that type of gain. That would not include a new trailor to support the weight I would add to my vechile. to add to the overal cost of competing.

I didnt have to build a extreme car, neither did any of the extreme guys. We do this a passion for the sport.But without these cars. This sport would not be as successfull.
By combining this class. You would see a influx of extreme guys either
A. Retire or B. Move down.
2 things you dont need.
Do you really want guys like Cook, Hughes ,Reid, Benton and countless others. to drop into the Super street classes and dominate.
the extreme classes are for all the glory. The Winston Cup of Db Drag Racing. These are by far the toughest classes of all.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Settle down there killer. You are getting a little over excited. I didnt even state HOW the classes could be changed, I simply stated that I think they should be changed in some, way, shape, or form. No one said you didnt spend alot of money, no one said you didnt spend alot of time, and no one said you werent dedicated to this sport.. So keep the drama out of this discussion please, we are all entitled to our opinions.

[Anthony]

Im just trying to give you and everyone else idea on how much a extreme competor spends and valuse this sport. Before people jump on the bandwagon of getting rid of half of the extreme classes. Maybe one day you will have a chance to understand this for yourself.

[POBoling]

I think class should remain as they are.
Money should bee evenly done between the Street,SS and EX for several reasons.
Yes people spend more in the Extreme class then they do in the Supper Street where people spend more then the Street.
However there are more street competitors so chances of winning are less.
In SS there are more competitors then EX so competition is more fierce the lower you go but it is Cheaper to be in the lower classes.

Therefore cost is canceled out by number of competitors.

[bikemike]

1. Classes the same.
2. Prizes for street from event sponsers
2. Prizes money for above that - promotes pro's

[ 12-14-2001: Message edited by: bikemike ]

[ea1]

I think everyone here will vote for THEIR classification, IE street competitors wanting an equal share of the $$$ as SS and Extreme, Extreme competitors not wanting to combine classes, etc.

To make matters worse, it will seem biased toward the lower divisions, due to more people posting from those classes who dont move up to the $$$ classes.

Here are a few thoughts.

Dedication should NOT be the determining factor for $$ payout. If it should be, we should call up NASCAR, and tell them that Busch series drivers deserve the pay of Winston cup Drivers, because they are just as dedicated to driving their cars.

Having said that, I personally think that the prize $$ arrangement should NOT be left up to the competitors. I feel that it should be decided solely by the event promoter, whether that is the DBDRA, or some other entity. IF the promoter of the show wants to award the $$ to first only, or to everyone, that should be HIS choice. Remember, NONE of us will have a place to compete if promoters dont put on shows, and telling them how to run theirs is another nail in the proverbial coffin.

As for the combining of classes, you CANT just say that because 2 or more classes have similar numbers, they should be combined. I personally feel that combining of classes should be based SOLELY on having full (and competitive) classes at finals. I personally saw 2 weak classes last year, the could be combined, First, Extreme 9-12 and 13+ only had enough TOTAL competitors at finals to make one full class. Also Street 3-4 at most shows is week, with people going to that class usually to get an invite to finals. Having one PROSTREET class at finals, and regular street not getting points, would cure this situation.

If you do feel that classes should be combined due to similar numbers, then Ext 3-4 and 5-8 had almost the SAME numbers, combine them :confused:. If there are enough world class extreme vehicles to fill the classes well at finals, why do away with those classes?

Now for my personal bitch :D. To those who say that ext 1-2 and 3-4 should be combined, have you really looked at the results from finals? Take a look at Qualifying numbers from 1-2, and then 3-4. There were 2-3 db difference in the classes, and in extreme that is HUGE. Do you realize to gain 2-3 db in a 170+ vehicle is not only VERY expensive, but with our current knowledge and equipment designs, it is darn near impossible. With this said, you think I should just hang up my hat this year since I (along with a vast majority of Ext 1-2 competitors) have a vehicle that CANNOT be competitive on the national level with most 3-4 vehicles?

I think that if classes are combined, it should be for the sake of making a smoother running organization, and to entice participation of the new competitors. If we can get the street level (real ones, the ones our so-called street competitors like to make fun of) competitors hooked on DB Drag, then the sponsorship money will come. We will NOT get sponsors interested in DB drag if no levels, no even the lowest classification of competitors we have, has any interest in using their product.

[Anthony]

Nate
you are the man. very well said.

[SPL2000]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Full Moon Racing:
Nate
you are the man. very well said.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

YES....you can say that again!

thank you Nathan! :eek:

[Wayne Harris]

I was just fishing for some imput on this topic. The decision to award prize money and the distribution of the prize money awarded will always be up to the event promoter.

Personally, I would like to see fewer classes with larger payouts in each class while still inviting the same total number of competitors to the event. If we had fewer classes, then maybe local events would offer ALL of the standard classes. Last season, there were a TREMENDOUS number of events that only had 1 or 2 competitors in each class. This isn't right.

What are your thoughts on that?

[ea1]

I was thinking about something. NASCAR works because the sponsors have a monopoly on the competition. You dont see Hondas or Volvos running at Daytona, thats because there are restrictions on what can be used in the competition. I would suggest that for any Subwoofers or amplifiers from a company to be used at certified (3x and finals) events, they MUST become a manufacturer member of the DBDRA. Local shows let anybody run anything, but equip at certified shows must be manufacturer member equip (subs and amps only)

What do you all think?

This would definately generate some $$ for the DBDRA and would make larger prizes for finals much more realistic.

[ 12-15-2001: Message edited by: ea1 ]

[Jani U]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by dB Don:
Extreme classes should be combined to allow the bigger payoffs with out more expenses.

Extreme: 1
Extreme: 2-4
Extreme: 5+

Super street can be the same.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Just want to tell that in practice it works nicely in Europe when we have SSNW, SS1-2, SS3-4 and SS5+, also the same for Extreme, E1-2, E3-4 and E5+. It was like this in Eurofinals too.

[firestarter]

Any cash at all would be nice over here.... ;)

Cash should be higher for the bigger classes. (I run SS1-2 as well, and always will)

Desending amounts 1-3

It seems to me, that living in a place where ALL shows have combined classes, this seems a good idea. And it would actually help Europe ;) ;)
I would have thought though that combining classes would and should be dependant on number of people. Some class combining rule should be noted in the rule book (so no one can kick off, like 3 or less in 2 classes next to each other, and the classes WILL be combined)
8+ subs in any class looks like a good limit to me, but always keep the lower classes (any1-2) to help encourage at all times people, by always knowing they will not be combined.

[PuRpS]

who needs prize money anyway smile.gif shouldnt u be doing this for the luv of it not the $$$$$$$$$$$$

u americans should think your self lucky
ive looked at as many pics as i can and sum of the trophies ive seen are amazing here we get cheap **** $2 trophies and no prize money at all and we are lucky to have 3 comps a year here (sydney australia)

also our gear cost about 4 times more then yours duz ie (DD9515 $1200 au)

also u cant get ride of STREET class how can a 10" sub go against a 18" ??

just because uses (the us) have cars doing 150db with 2 x 12" doesnt mean the rest of the world duz the loudest S1-2 we have here is 144.5db then 143.7 then 142 etc etc but most would be in the hight 130s

leave the classes the same smile.gif if ppl feel the need to cheat let them but they will be dispised (spelling)

Lukas Armstrong hard core Db drager from australia

[Kara Lucius]

My opinion:
I agree fully with Nate and Anthony on the Extreme classes. If there is any combining there to even be considered, it should be 9-12 and 13+. It costs BIG money to play competitively in Extreme. Kara and I know - we have gone to the EXTREME of buying a brand new vehicle for 2002, Just to be Competitive!
Nate you are onto something with the manufacturer membership required - however I may add that this should then be open to ANY manufacturer willing to pay and participate.

John M. Hellemn
Kara R. Lucius
Extreme 3-4: 1999-2001
Extreme ?: 2002

[Dr.Loudness]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jani U:


Just want to tell that in practice it works nicely in Europe when we have SSNW, SS1-2, SS3-4 and SS5+, also the same for Extreme, E1-2, E3-4 and E5+. It was like this in Eurofinals too.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Some event organizers in Europe are offering all the clases (or more)!!!! It is other problem that there is just not enough competitors here as in US. That is why 5+ class was on Euro finals! Euro finals was just too expensive for many competitors (because of traveling cost).

Otherwise I think that at least 8-12 and 13+ should be combined.

Peter Pejovic

[SPL2000]

My thoughts.....

Street 1-2
Street 3-4
(Same existing rules but no points and not at finals)

Pro Street 1-2 or 1-3
(Modified Street rules with points)

Super Street 1-2 No Wall
Super Street 1
Super Street 2-3
Super Street 4-6
Super Street 7+

Extreme 1
Extreme 2-3
Extreme 4-6
Extreme 7+

10 classes at finals. Fewer total cars.
Descending money for 1st-3rd.
Equal amounts for all classes.

[SPL2000]

oh yeah....and Nathan's comparison to NASCAR is a fantastic idea. At Certified events and finals you must use equipment from a dB Drag manufacturer member! That would result in more manufacturers supporting dB Drag which would get us more prize money and support!

[spl is my game]

Their again combine the 9-12 and 13+ class at finals. at single point events I agree with s 1-2 s 3-4 ss1-2 3-4 5+ ex 1-2 ex3-4 ex 5+ that is eight classes it will fill more classes and reduce time to run events thus more time for games or drawings for prizes to keep up the fun level and bring in more people interested in dbdrag. at 3x certified events leave classes alone but combine 9-12 and 13+ for certified scores leading to finals...

[Team P.A.]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR> My thoughts.....
Street 1-2
Street 3-4
(Same existing rules but no points and not at finals)

Pro Street 1-2 or 1-3
(Modified Street rules with points)

Super Street 1-2 No Wall
Super Street 1
Super Street 2-3
Super Street 4-6
Super Street 7+

Extreme 1
Extreme 2-3
Extreme 4-6
Extreme 7+

10 classes at finals. Fewer total cars.
Descending money for 1st-3rd.
Equal amounts for all classes.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
This is a great idea.
Street classes can then be cutomized by retailer to fit his area and still pull in dB Dragracers without the extra cost of more classes.

Equal money because every class pays same entry fee.
In NASCAR; just because Jeff Gordon spent more on his car that Brett Bodine doesn't mean Brett should get less money if he wins, if they both paid the same to enter the race.

[ 12-15-2001: Message edited by: Team P.A. ]

[Trouble]

Ok, just a thought here. I like most of the suggestions given so far, so I won't write it all again.

However, on the idea that the manufacturer must be part of the DBDRA. I think this is a bad idea. Pretty much it is saying that since I run a certain product I might not be able to compete at any 3x events. There are companies that pop up all the time all over the place. If you propose this then you are possibly cutting out some competitors. I do see the good side to this idea however. But I also see the bad side, simply cause it's like telling a competitor they only have this list of products they can run. They wouldn't have a choice over ALL the products on the market.
It would also mean that someone like RWAudio, who makes those nice line drivers, would have to become a member of DBDRA or you could not compete with his product.

Just some food for thought.

BTW, I don't know how to get my stats button on here :D

Jason Moore

[Steve Baker]

hell if i ever won any money maybe i would stop and think about it

[limige]

yeah and it would limit newer amps/subs from being produced and run in the shows to beat the well known brands. if a company is small and starting out they should have their shot at a competiter entering comps and blowing away others. just because they aren't big they shouldn't be barred from a comp. you could have a world record sys. and not be allowed at comp cuz the company didn't want to sponser dbdra?! silly, besides we are in this for the fun not the cash. i just feel that it would be more fair for extremest to get a higher cash prize than street people.

my proposed classes
street
1-2
3-4 (allowed at finals)

ss
1
2-4NW
2-4

EX
1-3
4-6
7+

just a rough idea on classes, maybe bump ss cars with more than 5 subs to extreme cat?
just fishing for some ideas.

[Neill Barber]

$0.02

NO ONE WOOFER CLASSES!!!(there I feel better)

I believe that registered members in a certain division should be the ONLY again ONLY People to be able to vote on classification in that division.

I am in SS and will stay there. So here is my openion.

SS 1-2NW
3-4
5-6
7-8
9+

The people who are resistered competitors in the other divisions (street and Extreme) should only get to vote or reccomend classes in THEIR division.

NeillBarber tongue.gif

[Team P.A.]

What about the ones from Street that have to move up and need all this figured out before a decision is made? Will we have a vote in our own destiny?

[Trouble]

Neill, no SS 1-2?
Ok, I'm in SS, and I say: LEAVE IT ALONE! Hehe.

[ea1]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Trouble:
Ok, just a thought here. I like most of the suggestions given so far, so I won't write it all again.

However, on the idea that the manufacturer must be part of the DBDRA. I think this is a bad idea. Pretty much it is saying that since I run a certain product I might not be able to compete at any 3x events. There are companies that pop up all the time all over the place. If you propose this then you are possibly cutting out some competitors. I do see the good side to this idea however. But I also see the bad side, simply cause it's like telling a competitor they only have this list of products they can run. They wouldn't have a choice over ALL the products on the market.
It would also mean that someone like RWAudio, who makes those nice line drivers, would have to become a member of DBDRA or you could not compete with his product.

Just some food for thought.

BTW, I don't know how to get my stats button on here :D

Jason Moore<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


That is specifically why I put only sub and amp companies MUST become members. The rules have ALWAYS stated that equipment must be commercially available. If a company produces commercially available subs or amps, they can afford the 1k to become a manufacturer member, that is if they care to have their equipment used in Db Drag events.

Hell, If I was wanting to run some off the wall equip that the manufacturer wasn't a member, I very well may pay it myself, it its THAT important to me to use it.

[ASEKent]

How about leaving SS basically the same, but contracting ( i've been following baseball too much) the extreme classes to 2, maybe 3 divisions. Along with this I think that the payout should be bigger at finals for the extreme cars because of the fewer classes.
Imagine 5k or 10k for first instead of 1k.
This could only happen if the number of classes in extreme were reduced.

You could also then take the top 4 extreme vehicles and actually have them duke it out in the lanes for the extreme cup and possibly a cash bonus prize.

Judging by the scores from last year, you could do ex 1-6, and 7+ and have some awesome races, with the winners taking home some major cash.

[PuRpS]

money makes the world go around smile.gif

i dont think money should have even been a issue wen talking about the rules and things

[Trouble]

Ok, I understand what you are saying. But let's say a manufacturer has a problem with the organization, not the competitor but the manufacturer. Should this type of thing limit the competitor just cause the manufacturer and organization might not see eye to eye?
Telling a competitor what brand he can and can not run seems like ruining his rights. I mean we all have the freedom of choice, but now it would be like saying "run this or don't compete".
Even if a company produces 100 units of amps or subs, it doesn't mean it has an extra $1000 to blow on joining an assosciation. Also, if you have that spare $1000 to blow, here is my address......hehe.

Everything we do is based on freedom of choice. If we tell people they do not have that freedom anymore, where will it end?

Jason Moore

[Bobby Riley]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ea1:
I was thinking about something. NASCAR works because the sponsors have a monopoly on the competition. You dont see Hondas or Volvos running at Daytona, thats because there are restrictions on what can be used in the competition. I would suggest that for any Subwoofers or amplifiers from a company to be used at certified (3x and finals) events, they MUST become a manufacturer member of the DBDRA. Local shows let anybody run anything, but equip at certified shows must be manufacturer member equip (subs and amps only)

What do you all think?

This would definately generate some $$ for the DBDRA and would make larger prizes for finals much more realistic.

[ 12-15-2001: Message edited by: ea1 ]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


I absolutely agree!!!! You beat me to it. I had this thought when we were argueing about what manufacturers could or could not be at finals to help.

Thumbs Up Nate!!!!

[dBSteve]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JustboB:
Thumbs Up Nate!!!!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

HUH?

[Will Alfonso]

Well as far as your topic is concerned I would suggest that prize money be eliminated fron Street class since the guys that are supposed to be competing in them are doing so for bragging rights (at the local level anyway).
I believe that classes should remain the same.
As for everyone elses comments: Anyone who knows Spl knows that the more drivers that you cram into a vehicle the more sacrifices you will have to make (Air, Batt, Power, basically space)that is why the 13+#'s were so low.
And for those of you who read As&s look at this http://www.termpro.com/asp/eventresults3.asp and most of those 170+s will disappear.
oh by the way with one exception almost all the top 5 SS5-8 guys were running 5. so not to comprimise space.

[Josh Schmillen]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Will Alfonso:
And for those of you who read As&s look at this http://www.termpro.com/asp/eventresults3.asp and most of those 170+s will disappear.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

When I click on the link it seems to error...is there something on that site pertinent to the conversation?!?

[SPLCivic]

<UL TYPE=SQUARE><LI>1. Should the prize money for winners in each division of competition (Street, SS, and Extreme) be the same?

SS should get 20% more than Street, Extreme should get 20% more than SS (40% more than street). This will entice competitors to move up.


<LI>2. Should prize money be awarded to 1st-3rd place winners or just 1st place winners?

1st through 3rd. More winners equals more (happy) competitors (usually).


<LI>3. Should we combine some classes. This would result in more prize money being awarded for each of the remaining classes?

The classes seem to work out real well this year. Keep them for another year.

One suggestion: Limit all SS vehicles to 5 (1 original +4 extra) batteries max. This will get some to move up to Extreme and will cut some cost on SS.
[/list]

[scoupen]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SPLCivic:
<UL TYPE=SQUARE><LI>One suggestion: Limit all SS vehicles to 5 (1 original +4 extra) batteries max. This will get some to move up to Extreme and will cut some cost on SS.
[/list]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

won't work. then you will be blowing up amps because they don't get enough juice....where's the cost saving in that?

[Will Alfonso]

Sorry about the link but it leads to the finals results if you want to go there yourself.

[Big Ed]

I love nates idea...that is one hell of an idea..

As for cash prizes, i do think the extreme classes should recieve more, just for the fact they have sooooooooo much in there vehicles.

As for classes this is my two cents worth on it..

Street class
1-2
3-4
no points, strictly for newbies

Pro-street
1-2
3-4
points towards finals, doesn't have to bump up after one year, can stay as long as they like

Super Street:
1-2nw
3-4nw
1-2
3-4
5-7
8+

Extreme:
1-3
4-7
8+

the newbie class can not be at finals, i know the numbers seem a little odd but seems like that would work, in my opinion..
And yes cash for 1st-3rd.

Big Ed

[Sid Grice]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Wayne Harris:

The 3 issues I would like to discuss are...

1. Should the prize money for winners in each division of competition (Street, SS, and Extreme) be the same?

2. Should prize money be awarded to 1st-3rd place winners or just 1st place winners?

3. Should we combine some classes. This would result in more prize money being awarded for each of the remaining classes?

What are your thoughts on this? Please ensure that your STATS button (and link) is included in your response.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

1. NO, The prize money should be increased from street, to super street, and then to extreme classes. Each sub-catagory of each class should be equal, but the jump between classes should be rewarded a higher reward. This would give competitors to step up to the next class, if they want more reward for their efforts. If the rewards is equal for all classes, what is the incentive to move up in classification (rhetorical)? As an example:
street 1st place = $200
street 2nd place = $100
street 3rd place = $50
(note: rewards should be equal for all street sub catigories)

super street 1st place = $400
super street 2nd place = $200
super street 3rd place = $100
(note: rewards should be equal for all super street sub catigories)

extreme 1st place = $800
extreme 2nd place = $400
extreme 3rd place = $200
(note: rewards should be equal for all extreme sub catigories)

2. Rewards should be for 1st - 3rd place finshers. By only rewarding the 1st place finishers, you would invite more controversy than is already plaquing the dBDRA. Simply put, a .1 db difference resulting in "payout" and "no payout", will incite more complaints stemmed from the insinuation of unequal measuring equipment.

3. No comment

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Wayne Harris:
Last season, there were a TREMENDOUS number of events that only had 1 or 2 competitors in each class. This isn't right.

What are your thoughts on that?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

If a class has less than 8 competitors registered by the "cutt off" time, then the competitors that ARE registered will be advanced to the next higher class.
Example: super street 1-2 has 3 registered competitors (by registration cut-off time). There are 5 registered competitors in super street 3-4. When the show promoter evaluates the situation, the super street 1-2 competitors should be grouped in with the super street 3-4 competitors, resulting in 8 competitors in the superstreet 1-4 class.

If the combining of two classes still does not total eight (or more) competitor, then the competitors would be combined with the next highest class until eight (or more)competitors is gained. This will cause some headaches for promoters/host that pre-design rewards (trophies/plaques), but will allow each class that is ran during the event to be a "full class" and help eliminate the "easy win".

[Rump Shaker Racing]

1. Should the prize money for winners in each division of competition (Street, SS, and Extreme) be the same?

No I think the bigger bucks should go to the bigger guys because think about it a street car has about $15k in the system, Super Street has about $30k in the system and the Extreme guys have who knows how much $100k++ in the systems. Pluss the Extreme guys have to haul their cars to shows so that is a lot bigger expence to buy and maintain a truck and trailer. I think that the Extreme guys should get most of the money and the Super Street guys get a little bit of money and the Street guys sould get very little.

2. Should prize money be awarded to 1st-3rd place winners or just 1st place winners?

Yes Give the prize money to the top three people in each class (they deserve it)

3. Should we combine some classes. This would result in more prize money being awarded for each of the remaining classes?

no don't combine any classes because that would be less people that get money for doing all this hard work of running a SPL car.

[Josh Schmillen]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BASSMAN15s:

a street car has about $15k in the system.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


REALLY?!?!?!

I'm behind the times...WOW :eek:

[dbdrag Argentina]

1. Should the prize money for winners in each division of competition (Street, SS, and Extreme) be the same?

THIS IS THE ONLY WAY FOR THE OLD COMPETITOR CAN UP FOR A NEW DIVISION MORE BIG

AND THE PRIZE MONEY IS BIG IF THE COMPETITORS HAVE A BIG EQUIPMENT!!!

GUILLERMO BLANCO
HEAD JUDGE DB DRAG ARGENTINA AND CHILE

[SPLCivic]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by scoupen:

won't work. then you will be blowing up amps because they don't get enough juice....where's the cost saving in that?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I would think designing a system that works within a 5 battery limit would keep you from blowing up any amps. Less amplifiers equals less money.

Since we can't limit systems on money or watts rating, it seems source power is all that's left. It's used in street class to keep their systems down in price and wattage, why not use it it Super Street?

Moving up to Super Street isn't too big of a deal as dBDrag still gets your $30 no matter which class you're in. So, you are right, there is no need to make Super Street more attainable to Street competitors.

[ 12-17-2001: Message edited by: SPLCivic ]

[PuRpS]

we dont get ANY price money and we have to pay $100AU usually to go to a show

this sport is becauing un-viable

[?]

HELLO THER
I THINK BIGER THE CLAS; BIGER PRIZE
biger sistems better shows over all........
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[?]

HELLO THER
I THINK BIGER THE CLAS; BIGER PRIZE
biger sistems all ways lock beter at the shows.
And I think 1st 2nd and 3rd shoul get prize like the way is been done.
Not all ways first place deserve the first place but............................................... .................................................. .................................................. .............................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .............................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .............................. .................................................. ...................IT HAPEN

[RFPower]

I think combining classes could be a good idea like Extreme 9-12 and 13+ but other than that i dont see any classes that should be combined. The only reason I say these two could be combined is because there were only 7 people in 13+ anyway. So basically if your in 13+ you could do a mighty 135 and place at finals. I think the payout for 1-3 should decrease from 1st to 3rd but not by much since EVERYONE works very hard to place that high. Just my .02!

[jhellemn]

From what I can see, and in my opinion, combining EX 9-12 and EX 13+ removes 1 EX class and evens out the number of competitors across extreme division (see data below). This brings you to 4 EX and 4 SS, and 1 NW class. If you do a pro street that is 10 classes at Finals. Changing the classification of all the extreme classes affects all extreme competitors (thus major rebuilds and major costs). The focus is on classes that had problems - FACT: EX 9-12 and 13+ had fewer competitors than other clases invited to Finals and throughout the season. FACT: there were issues in street at Finals and throughout the season. SS and EX otherwise ran relatively smooth with minimal problems both at finals and throughout the season. Just my observation...

Finals Invitees...
street 1-2 16
street 3-4 14 30

ss 1-2 NW 18

ss 1-2 19
ss 3-4 17
ss 5-8 16
ss 9+ 16 86

ex 1-2 16
ex 3-4 13
ex 5-8 14
ex 9-12 9
ex 13+ 8 60

176 invited
ex = 34% of invited
ss = 49% of invited
s = 17% of invited

John Hellemn
Stats: Refer to Kara Lucius

[Team P.A.]

Here is an idea.
Combine EX 9-12 and 13+
Leave everything else in SS and EX alone.
Combine the rules of Street and SSnw.
By this I mean, SSnw 1-2 and SSnw 3-4 with amp and batt. restrictions. Like, SSnw 1-2 with 4 amps and batteries with all other rules from this year in SSnw staying the same, and 8 in SSnw 3-4.
Ten classes at Finals.
Let the local shows do whatever fits for them in NON-POINT classes for their customers.

[<spltruck>]

Here is an idea......leave the classes the way THEY ARE.

Every year it seems like everyone needs or wants to change the classes for some reason. I really dont think it would be far for people to have to rebuild there car every year or every other year just because the rules keep changing. That can get pretty damn expensive in an extreme car.

just my thought

[Shedluv]

Just a question, at a smaller event, what keeps say a street competitor from removing his headliner, or door panel, or glovebox, or some other mod like that to move up to an unpopulated extreme class to get $$?

I think if you have higher $$ in higher classes, then I'm sure that some people will find a way to get into the higher classes, especially since there are usually very few extreme cars at a local event. There are usually only 1-2 extreme cars at a local show, or usually less, and if you payout the top 3, then someone could easily move into there and do a 125 and get their money.

Just stating ideas. Not that I would ever do that, but it does bring up and interesting point if you don't split the $$ evenly.

[spltruck]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by &lt;spltruck&gt;:
Here is an idea......leave the classes the way THEY ARE.

Every year it seems like everyone needs or wants to change the classes for some reason. I really dont think it would be far for people to have to rebuild there car every year or every other year just because the rules keep changing. That can get pretty damn expensive in an extreme car.

just my thought<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

[GH0ST]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by &lt;spltruck&gt;:
Here is an idea......leave the classes the way THEY ARE.

Every year it seems like everyone needs or wants to change the classes for some reason. I really dont think it would be far for people to have to rebuild there car every year or every other year just because the rules keep changing. That can get pretty damn expensive in an extreme car.

just my thought<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Very good..

[dbdrag Argentina]

I think same. But i believe the rules change will be progresive for make beter the new season.
And the big prize in money for the big division is necesary for increase the quantity of competitors in this divisions.
I want say, for the street divisions the same prize in money that the last year, and more for the EX division.

Guillermo Blanco
head judge DbDrag Argentina and Chile

[bassboy173]

I beleive I need to say something on this matter being I compete in this class. We need to concentrate on perfecting Db Drag.
Not changing the classes every year. This gets very expensive and it seems like nobody really care's unless it's their class. We all would like better prize money but changing 13+ isn't gonna get you more money.
Your gonna need alot more than just that.

Every year were changing the classes. Do we forget about the new comer's that were building for the new year. We kill all of these guy's ideas because were always changing. And were not changing for the new competitors. Where doing it for ourselves, so we can be more comfertable. Let's work on what we have and then change if needed. I personally think Wayne should leave the classes like they were since this years World Finals had problems. People will feel alot better going against their fellow competitor, this year knowing that Wayne has solved the meter situation.

As far as the money goes. We all need to work on other Manufatuers besides car audio.
Thats when the real money comes into play!
Peace out! Happy Holidays! From The Florida Db Drag Team! smile.gif

[PHILESTER]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Wayne Harris:
In 2001, the dBDRA had 12 standard classes of competition. At events where prize money is awarded (ie World Finals), the prize money pool is divided equally among all 12 classes, with 1st-3rd place winners in each class receiving a distrubution.

The 3 issues I would like to discuss are...

1. Should the prize money for winners in each division of competition (Street, SS, and Extreme) be the same?

2. Should prize money be awarded to 1st-3rd place winners or just 1st place winners?

3. Should we combine some classes. This would result in more prize money being awarded for each of the remaining classes?

What are your thoughts on this? Please ensure that your STATS button (and link) is included in your response.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


*should prize money be equal*

NO...I think that prize money should be a way to reward a compeditor and provide some compensation to recoupe costs of building. A wieghted system should be used with extream compeditors recieving 2 times the money that street does, and super street falling right in the middle.

*should prize money be awarded 1st - 3rd

Yes, IMO the top 3 should all recieve money like this season where it gets less and less as you move down.

*combining classes
Absolutely! scores run into each other too much right now. There is no point in a class's with more than 9 subs. then replace these classes with more lower street classes as described in prop 1.

s 1-2
s 3-4
pro s 1-2
pro s 3-4
ssnw 1-2
ssnw 3-4
ss 1-2
ss 3-4
ss 5-6
ss 7+
ex 1-2
ex 3-4
ex 5-6
ex 7+

[<bikemike>]

Why oh Why add extra classes for pro's - I was under the impression that SS was desigend for the pro's. If we added more classes there will be less competitors per class = more prizes = more money = more time = more rules = more frustration = more problems???? :confused: :confused:

[Mike De Pace]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PHILESTER:

s 1-2
s 3-4
pro s 1-2
pro s 3-4
ssnw 1-2
ssnw 3-4
ss 1-2
ss 3-4
ss 5-6
ss 7+
ex 1-2
ex 3-4
ex 5-6
ex 7+<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I like this too Phil, but there is always going to be somebody who's pissed off because their class is more competitive.

But, as far as that looks, I personally like it. (With equal prize money in all classes to prevent class jumping)

[Paul Russell]

street classes should get the least and extreme should get the most. they spend more. i'm in super street 5. the idea of merging classes is ok. :cool: :D :cool: :cool:

[It only Hertz in Cycles]

smile.gif The scores at finals show that there is no need for so many larger classes.
Calculating the average in each class by throwing out the highest and the lowest scores of the (7 or) 8 in each class at Finals, the averages were:

SS 1-2) 165.2
SS 3-4) 166.3
SS 5-8) 166.9
SS 9+) 168.4

Only a .6dB difference average between SS 3-4 / SS 5-8,
and the .1dB difference between the EX 3-4 / 5-8, points to too many divisions.

EX 1-2) 171.5
EX 3-4) 173.2
EX 5-8) 173.3
EX 9-13) 171.7
EX 13+) 171.1

Here you can see that the Extreme 5-8 was the loudest, so why not combine the top 3 into a 5+ class.

What about regrouping these into only 3 Extreme classes, and 3 SS classes, - ie: 1, 2-4, 5+, so the local shows will have more competitors filling the top classes, a little 'freshness' is added, and Finals might be more competitive and exciting.

This would make room for 4 classes below the SS and Extreme classes:
??? Pro-street 1-3 ( 3-10", 2-12", 1-15")
??? Pro-street 1-6 ( 6-10", 4-12", 2-15",1-18"+)
??? SSNW 1-2
??? SSNW 3-4

Only 10 classes = more $$ and better trophies for all!!

Oh Yeah, PLEASE consider adding State Championships!!

[SPL2000]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by It only Hertz in Cycles:
smile.gif Here you can see that the Extreme 5-8 was the loudest, <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Excuse me?!?!?!

hehe :D

[It only Hertz in Cycles]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR> It only Hertz in Cycles

Calculating the average in each class by throwing out the highest and the lowest scores of the (7 or) 8 in each class at Finals, the averages were: <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

smile.gif

[Team Pure Sound]

Ok, this might get long, but just an opinion from a team that was there in the beginning.


On questins about prize money....could care less!! We jumped into this competion format because we had chased the IASCA and USAC SQ world trophies since 1993 and were burnt out from all of the stress. This was quick and fun. I would like to think it still is. We did and do compete for the FUN of it, if you actually believe that you are going to make money or get some back from your investment, you are in the wrong sport. When we do receive prize money, we feel thankful and lucky that our sport gives us these added bonuses from time to time. Don't get us wrong, prize money is great, but don't get tied up on that as your driving force to this sport. I speak for myself, but I believe us and some of the other veterans simply do this for bragging rights and personal satisfaction, not a check.

Now, on the combing classes.....

Simple, besides maybe 9+ and 13+ combining and banning street classes from finals, don't touch them. We will never have anything set or ran smooth if we never keep everything simple and the same. For example NASCAR runs v-8's in Amercian muscle cars for years, extremely successful money making machine. 2002 NASCAR decides to run nitrous burning 4 cyl and v-8's on same track, but scored differently among themseleves. Simple "NASCAR", now complicated to watch and to OFFICIATE.... Same rules, same cars, mild CLARIFICATIONS to EXISTING rules each year yields, smoother running shows, and more consistant judging, because rules and classes stay the same(a.k.a. consistant)

Now, on a personal note about the 13+ class having few competitiors and not being WORTHY of anyones respect. We have either competed, helped build and designed or won dB Drag World Championships in these classes...

Street 1-2,Street 3-4, Superstreet 1-2,5-8, Extreme 1-2,3-4,9+,13+. Pro 0-5000 Watt. In all our testing of extreme cars, our scores have stayed in the same ballbark. But, the multiple woofer cars have by FAR, been the most challenging to make loud. Making sure all of those woofers and amplifiers and battieries are a 100% was much harder to keep track of then our 4 and 5 woofer VW Rabbits. So just because the scores might not reflect it, be careful on judging the multiple woofer cars untill you have tried it. There isn't alot of competitiors in these classes because of the amount of work involved in one of these beast. Can you imagin wiring all of the amps in Alma's Bronco and making sure they are all good. I know checking our 5 amps and 5 woofers in the Rabbit was alot easier than checking out Big Jim. Just a thought from so "old guys"


Aaron "Chili" Roberts

[AutoAudio]

I personally think that the prize money should be the same reguardless if it is s, ss, or ex. how many ppl started competing in DBDR for the money??? I didnt if they did I do not see how they figured they could make money other than publicity. classes I feel should stay the same as they are now. as far as street goes I dont see why a "pro" should be in street class build a SS or Ex , lets leave the street class to the new guys compete in Street. I know alot of points have been brought up alot of valid points, but i dont see alot wrong with the way things are set up now, biggest thing i see needing addressed would be how to get more spectator turn out at finals, so it will secure that there will be more manufacturer sponcers attending finals, most of them are there for the spectators , some for competitors but most of their money is generated from the spectators not the competitors.

[Rip Rock]

To tell you the truth I would rather a trophy than money..I would just spend the money on dumb stuff,rather than a trophy that i would keep on looking at it and remember the memories that i had.

[ThaMiniBeast]

Im gonna put my 0.02 in here you all are complanin of to many classes ... well i say there is to lil classes i dont know how many comps ive been to an see this happen a local kid will install 4 15s in his car or like 5-6 12s in jus the hatch of his car an they are bein bumped up to classes which people are comin outta state to compete with .. an they are very dissa. when they get beat out by about 10db cuz they had no idea what was goin on an stuff like this ... i say we need in ss the same as street is doin a class for amat. an a class for pros ... we could call it pro stock :D LoL ..(i.e.dragracing) but i dont think we have enough classes ... an i kinda like the idea that shows are longer an not like bam over heres your trophy .... you get to hang out have fun an thought thats what this was all about when i got into this sport at the age of 11 .. but it seems that everything is for the money an for the points an trophy an there is no fun in it anymore .... this is a hobby not a job if you cant support you hobby you need to find a new one...... thats jus my 0.02

[AndrewHarper]

it is fun to win a little cash, but I would really appreciate better trophies. For all the time, money, and effort that serious competitors put into their systems, it is somewhat anticlimactic to receive a "so-so" trophy.

The best awards I have ever gotten were from a local IBDL event in Palm Beach, FL. The event was hed by Sound Advice. The winner of each category took home $10 (half of the entry fee) for each entrant in his/her class. I ended up taking home $150 (15 competitors in my class). Plus, the trophies were nice; They had the typical marble base, but they had a gold cup mounted to the top. it wasn't particulary tall, but it really stands out when compared to my "big" plastic trophies.

[*1LOWSUV*]

Cash spends,trophies collect dust. :D

[bikemike]

1. Extreme division combined.
2. Money even accross the divisions.
3. 1st to 3rd should vary.

[jarfunkz]

i say this keep it simple

divide the money up into 7 parts

extreme gets 4 parts
superstreet gets 2 parts
street gets 1 part

so lets say you have $70k to work with
40k goes to extreme(yes they put in the most effort)
20k goes to superstreet
10k goes to street(prolly less like 5k since there are only 2 classes)

then from that divide 1-3 into 7 parts

1st gets 4 parts
2nd gets 2 parts
3rd gets 1 part

so it goes like this lets say you have $700 per class

1st gets $400
2nd gets $200
3rd gets $100
the next 5 get dbdrag coozies for drinks and what not.

[EE Nole]

I think prize money is a bad idea altogether. The insane amout of BS bickering over the interpretation of rules and the people who push the rules to the limit because they can't be any more creative than that will only increase if there is money on the line.

[quad box]

well i am new to this forum and would like to say i have seen this in other sports,1st ams/experts are not pros and should not win cash by db drag but by there sponsors pros should win cash thats part of being a pro,classes should not be changed!thats why we can't get a car finish now! my company is small and cannot pay for a $1000 db drag membership at this time but we already offer cash for winning with or products? if others like ams/experts want to be paid have a open class 1-3rd take all! people can be louder for less $$$ you just have to do more homework not just buy product! as will be seen soon from Quad

[quad box]

well i am new to this forum and would like to say i have seen this in other sports,1st ams/experts are not pros and should not win cash by db drag but by there sponsors pros should win cash thats part of being a pro,classes should not be changed!thats why we can't get a car finish now! my company is small and cannot pay for a $1000 db drag membership at this time but we already offer cash for winning with or products? if others like ams/experts want to be paid have a open class 1-3rd take all! people can be louder for less $$$ you just have to do more homework not just buy product! as will be seen soon from Quad

[I_am_an_idiot.]

I went this weekend to an event of dbdrag and idbl at tampico,tamaulipas, mexico as a newbie spectator.
The things that upset me were that the competitors there were not given a small spot of shade close to the car and no water was available for competitors or cars.,hey they paid 30 to 50 bucks and some paid for both events., but a one liter water bottle is too much of a cost to give to a competitor., come on.
If you want prize money you need sponsors like cocacola,.sony.,pepsi,gatorade,mcdonalds,nike,spal ding,ibm,microsoft,etc,etc,
But for that you need crowds., yes lots and lots of atendees or visitors if you prefer.,so far i see nothing being done to remedy this., big talk for a nobody like me., but i want to see competitor events with 50 or more competitors per sub class ., i.e. street 1.2 twin 12 with 52 competitors., and yes there is a very important reason that the crowds are not at this level., and i hope that i will be permited to help bring this to reality., but not before a newbie like me tries to enter and win at least third place at saltillo,coahuila,mexico.
I mean., can you imagine that if there are 50 competitors in just my class., that i am going to win a trophy.,nope
The main problem is not changing the rules but increasing participation from one to two thousand visitors at an event to a crowd of ten to twenty thousand.
Then you have the sponsors willing to part with 50 or 100 thousand dollars per sponsor., up to several millons., hey look at skateboarding,baseball,football,etc,
They all started out as renegade hobbys.
This is just my humble opinion.,
Please,no flame.

[Team Innovative Shaun]

I think it would work if you gave prizes for first thru third in street, super street, and extreme. This would reduce the number of winners from 36 to 9 thus making the prizes more valuable but by splitting it into the three divisions it still remains fair.

[Goldmember]

i think that the rules r fine..... personally.I am going to the 3x event in dinwitie VA. r any of u going to go?