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I did a search and could not find anything. I am curious if anyone has had experience with the z 12. I am looking to do 4 of them in my civic and was wondering about how much space for each 12. I was thinking maybe 4. I will be doing a slot port so I can bump it daily and then if I want to compete I can just make a quick adjustment so the box is tuned much higher. Any help is greatly appreciated. They will have an M4 amp on each sub.
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wow thats a lot of cash for just the subs alone have you gotten a price qoute for those subs or are you just loaded with cash
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I am not sure that you would want to use a Z for daily!! they are mainly a high SPL sub! however I can suggest some alternate equipment if you would like just shoot me a pm and we can go over the details. but if you have to have the DDZ I know a guy in the town where I live that has a 12 with the composit cone and dust cap that is for sale.
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I already have a quote on everything. I would not say I am loaded with cash just obsessed with bass. I am 25 now and have a lot more money then when I was 16, I work as a Network Administrator so I do okay.
My simple question is a good box size, also I understand electrical requirements I already have that taken care of. Is the Z just for SPL? I thought that in the right box and tuning it could be for daily? My goal is to do an over the top crazy daily driver, well at least one I can drive on the weekends as I will drive my truck around town. I mean I had thought of doing 8 9512's in the car with an M3A amp on each one but if I do that I can only give each sub about 3 cubic feet and my concern is that might not be enough.
Money aside please any suggestions would be great. Thanks!
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quote:Originally posted by tgreenshowfan: I already have a quote on everything. I would not say I am loaded with cash just obsessed with bass. I am 25 now and have a lot more money then when I was 16, I work as a Network Administrator so I do okay.
My simple question is a good box size, also I understand electrical requirements I already have that taken care of. Is the Z just for SPL? I thought that in the right box and tuning it could be for daily? My goal is to do an over the top crazy daily driver, well at least one I can drive on the weekends as I will drive my truck around town. I mean I had thought of doing 8 9512's in the car with an M3A amp on each one but if I do that I can only give each sub about 3 cubic feet and my concern is that might not be enough.
Money aside please any suggestions would be great. Thanks!
Sure, you can use the Z for daily also, but I wonīt do it! Z is only some 1/10 louder for SPL, because the motor is a lil bit stronger, but for daily you donīt hear any difference. Take 9512īs with composite cones and extra stiff suspension (if you like more kick ! For more deep bass take 2 x 18"... that will also rocks
4x M4, 4x M3a or 2x DD LV will be also good!
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I would follow Sonofthor's recommendation. The money you would spend, would not make economical sense, on what you would get out of a daily driver, with the 9500z's compared to the 9500g's. In fact, some people when doing a swap for swap, with more than one z in a small box, they did the same number on music as with the g motor. And as far as spl, one on one the z motor demolishes the g motor. But when two z are in a box they tend to cancel each other out in a small enclosure. And the g's do better ( in a small enclosure). So if you dont have more than 3 or more cube per 12 (total 12 or more cubes per 4 woofer), I would go with the g's instead.
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Would I gain more sq or spl increasing my box size per 9512g from 3 to 4 or would that be negligible? Or is that more something we cannot answer in the forum until it has been done in the car?
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Depends on your car and you tuning of the box. Most of the time you gain on spl. But also, you could loose on both sq and spl. So in a nut shell, you would have to try it to find out!
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the Z is very musical. great cone control. if i had time i could do a direct A vs B comparison.... but i'm busier than a one armed paper hanger these days.
..... if you want more hands on input you should ask on the soundpressure forum.
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we run a z15 in our metro. playing music will do 152 all day long. 4400 watts clamped. for spl will do 155's. its loud as heck. we just broke the roof brace at the windshield in the car last weekend. playing music.
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I got some that i play music with and I can assure you that they will take a shytpot more power for burp then they will with music. I have seen the coils break in half with less than 3500 watts per sub but have hit them with 16kw for burp and not phase them. Here is some playing music http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drsK0vp81UU
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Alls he wanted was box advice. If he wants to run z, so be it. I would if I could, but we all know I'm fresh out at the moment! Do a street style box with an aero port. Done it a couple times and works real nice for sqpl! Go between 2 and 3 cf with a 6" aero, tune till ya get a response you like.
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Yea but it was getting good there for a minute till you dumped all that direction on us and now look.......crickets chirping.......
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Well hey it is cool to see all the responses! I have kind of gone back and forth with what I want to do with the amps for daily and otherwise. I mean I know I want to do 4 of the 12's. I know I want to do sound digital amps as I already have pricing. From what I am seeing with these subs though the music power handling varies some in the 3000 while Pulse Car Audio is running 4400 watts to their's. My idea was to run a sd12kd per pair for daily and if I want to compete I would run one of those amps per z for burps.
Now I know that seems crazy but this car is only probably going to be used on Saturdays maybe Sundays to drive around. Also I know there is no way in hell I can drive with the system up even halfway. Also when I am driving around the gains will be lower on the amps as well. Is that still too much though to have running to the Z's? Electrical is taken care of, running dual alternators and multiple 3100s in the back and getting a battery charger when the need arises.
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Hey - screw you cricket humper - I'm , uh, - I'm uh - - going back into ss 1-2 wall - uh - just so I can officially kick yer azz! Old man- ya fugger...
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there's a guy here locally running a stetsom 11kd to a single z18 and from what he's said so far it's fine. He'll be at the comp next weekend so I'm hoping I can get a demo as well as demo for others.. I have a pair of AQ HD3 15" recones on the way I got them as motors like year or so ago right around when the HDCs came out so maybe before that I dunno. anyway, so far from what I've seen in vids every install using a DD Z sub on music has pretty much impressed me. but then again, who in their right mind would do a crappy build with a DD Z lol. if your gonna half ass get something cheaper there are PLENTY of sick subs for WAY less that you could do a good job of making loud on music if u know what your doing..
I recommend the Gs as well, unless your made of money there are possibly better choices than the Z for a daily setup imo
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We have a Z18 in a proper box tuned around 37Hz in our demo VW. Woofer driven by a Z2LV and i can say that its sound fabolous, like a G on steroids is the best way t explain it. It has it all the G has but tighter, louder and better. But i strongly recomends overbuilt amps that focus on SQ also NOT only maximum power.
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One DD Z18, used one Atomic AT 5000.1 D and then one DD Z2 LV. With the first amp we did 150+ on music (42-47 Hz), with the Z amp we did 152+ on music (40-48 Hz). Sounded, like naughty Tee said... A G on steroids. My opinion is that the Z woofer is a great loudspeaker that can get very loud. Still very fast and accurate, and musical, in the right setup. This was all in the trunk of a LandRover Freelander II, so...far from the best setup we could have built for this speaker.
If you want the best there is, PERIOD, go for the Z series. If you feel a litle moderate I whould also sugest you try the G's, for your needs. 4 9512's and 4 M4's whould just be sick. All you need for daily and also for burps.
If you are more into music than burps, consider 2 15's or 2 18's. 95Z 15's and 2 M4's... also a killer setup.
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Hey naughty Tee very nice setup and I hear what you are saying about the amps. I had originally looked at doing a M4 on each one of the Z's, but the 12kd's are cheaper. I know it really comes down to install more than anything and I know I can get away with less batteries for the 4 M4's at least that is what DD told me...thanks for all the help.
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quote:Originally posted by tgreenshowfan: Hey naughty Tee very nice setup and I hear what you are saying about the amps. I had originally looked at doing a M4 on each one of the Z's, but the 12kd's are cheaper. I know it really comes down to install more than anything and I know I can get away with less batteries for the 4 M4's at least that is what DD told me...thanks for all the help.
Cheaper and more power does not mean BETTER power. If you can, don't cut it on the amps... Go with the M4's, you will be happy after that. They will take care of your speakers, even when you don't.
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quote:Originally posted by tgreenshowfan: Hey naughty Tee very nice setup and I hear what you are saying about the amps. I had originally looked at doing a M4 on each one of the Z's, but the 12kd's are cheaper. I know it really comes down to install more than anything and I know I can get away with less batteries for the 4 M4's at least that is what DD told me...thanks for all the help.
Cheaper and more power does not mean BETTER power. If you can, don't cut it on the amps... Go with the M4's, you will be happy after that. They will take care of your speakers, even when you don't.
Very true. I am just going with the original idea of 4 12 z's with an M4 for each one. Nice clean reliable power.
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SoundCustoms: Nice vids and congrats to a Zuper Zetup shud be nice to hear it
tgreenshowfan: I would recomend u this, dont look for lots wattage for less money only, a good sounding amp puts out alot of amperage on the speaker terminals.
Lots of output amperage is the stuff to keep iron control of the cone, but lots of outgoing amperage means lots of high quality components whatever brand or numbers printed on the amp.
I personally would recomend to spend 1,5 to 2$ on the amps for each $ you spend on the woofers.
If doing so you would have enough CLEAN power to bring the best MUSICALLY performace out of the woofers, if you go for lower amp $ vs woofer $ the amps will be the limit of the system.
So i would say, 2pc Z15/18s and 4 M4 or 2 Z2LVs shud be a more sensible setup. But thats all your choice to make
Lots of power can be produced real cheap but lots of GOOD SOUNDING power makes the woofer sound as good its priceless
Good luck with your decission.
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