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I agree with you on this. Not just for the reason you stated but also because liquid nails gives of a flammable gas during the drying process!!!!!!!!!!!!! KABOOM if you happen to have a spark in the box
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story time about liquide nail, in the late 80's there was this installer who was very well respected, had built this box, best he ever had, used birch and clamps and liquid nail , sealed enclosure of coarse, but here the the thing didnt give the box time to dry ,put speakers in it and had carpet on it look damn good to say , well when liquid isnt dry yes like you all notice it has this gassy odder well a speaker had broken off the sub and to your next guess yes a arc had accured in side box with the fresh layer of liquid nail there was a mishap kabooom inside trunk area . what a mess i dont know if anyone was hurt alli know from then everyone was starten to use wood glue alot more and still even today i use massive amounts and use liquid nail as a gap filler when i know i have time for it to cure ,well 2 cemts from the past
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liquid nails is NOT strong enough for enclosers. to hold a port or such yes. LN never hardens so it dosent work well. it u use titebond or probond and let the box cure u can take all the screws out and the box will be strong still do that with liquid nails and watch it flex then come apart. the fumes also eat foam surronds if the speaker is installed before 24hr cure time.
i remember a kid asked me to build a encloser for him but he couldnt afford it so he gave it a try himself. he used plywood and LN he was sealing it up making sure he didnt mis a spot so he stuck his arm in the box and lit a lighter to look. needless to say he took all the hair off his arm,funny ****...SPLaudio
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I would personally never use liquid nails. Why would you use a general purpose construction adhesive (such as Liquid Nails) when there are wood glues that are specifically made for the purpose? Also the wood glues are easier to clean up and like was already mentioned, Liquid nails makes flammable fumes that are dangerous, most wood glues are water based and don't put out any toxic or flammable fumes.
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I use wood glue to connect the boards (along with screws) and then use liquid nails in all the seams to seal it off completley. Liquid nails should not be used just to keep it together.
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I used 2" zinc coated drywall screws and LN to seal any gaps. I guess it went OK. The screws take the loads under pressure, not the LN. I didn't know LN was that dangerous while curing.... good thing I'm a non-smoker.
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I used a table saw and wood glue when I built my box. Eveything fit perfectly and the wood glue was easy to work with. Very good bond as well. Rock hard joints. Never used Liquid Nails, but I don't see a reason to if you have good straight cuts and everything is measured correctly.
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maybe i'm using a different kind of liquid nails...i've yet to have an enclosure blow apart on me...or burn...or blow up...
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Odd I made over 150 boxes in 3 years I used Tite Bond and Elmer's wood glue in about 20 of them and Liquid Nails in the rest.
Tite Bond and Elmer's wood glue Dries very hard but it does not flex with the wood so when it's been exposed for a while to cold one day and warm the other the wood glues like to crack and when they crack it's easier to break the joint, I have modded lots of boxes and noticed Tite Bond and Elmer's wood glue was easier to pull apart than Liquid Nails HD, If you try to pull apart LN HD that has been properly applied and cured you will rip the wood and not at the seam. LN does not blow up or catch on fire if you install a sub when it's not fully cured, I have done it plenty of times.
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I have not had a problem with LN yet. I have noticed that it takes a long time to cure, but I use screws to hold my boxes together while it is curing. I have spilled LN, and can definately say it dries hard as a rock.
The nail that I use to open the LN cans has dryed LN that I cannot remove.
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ummmmmm donno about LN drying hard as a rock.....I was always able to push on it and flex it even after weeks of dry time and it feels stiff to me at best.
regular wood glue gets harder.
I can see how LN might be better if the cuts aren't perfect.
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I've used about everything, and never had a problem with liquid nails. I like to use sub-floor adhesive, basically because it works on wet, frozen wood, and my garage is not heated. The last box I made (this past Sunday) I used Liquid Nails because it was here, and it's working great. Set the box in front of a heater and voila, overnight the stuff is rock hard. I used a file to clean off the excess goobers.
I've tried to take about 4 or 5 boxes now made with Liquid nails or sub-floor adhesive. On all off them the wood has broken first, even with all the screws out, or with it just brad-nailed together.
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i just built a box with Elmers glue and its solid as hell. also it says on the bottle that the joint is stronger then the material itself. it was also an easy clean up with a damp towel.
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The regular Liquid Nails brand construction adhesive, which is usually just called liquid nails, does not dry hard. It is designed to flex some for thermal expansion purposes, because it is used a lot to glue different materials together. Even though liquid nails is strong enough to make a box it is still not prefered over a regular wood glue. A professional cabinet maker would always use a wood glue on a product like a speaker box, not a construction adhesive. Liquid nails brand also makes a regular wood glue, which is what they recommend for wood work.
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I have used liquid nails for the past 3 years on boxes without any problems. I built a box for 2 R-F Punch 8" sealed 1.5 cubes and let the liquid nails dry for 24 hours. Just for fun I took all the screws out of the box left the speakers in and had me and my 2 brothers stand on top of the box. The box didn't crack or nothing. I never did put the screws back in the box. I was proving to my brothers how strong liquid nails was. They were impressed. BTW the box was 30" wide for all 3 of us to stand on top of it.
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I use both myself, titebond when building the box and the go over the seams with liquid nails. A little overkill never hurts, the people who are saying LN doesnt harden are using a different kind than I am, cause if you ever try to break a box apart after its sealed you gonna have amess and the LN is gonna be in the same spot it was before you started when you are done
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quote:Originally posted by Navidriver: I use both myself, titebond when building the box and the go over the seams with liquid nails. A little overkill never hurts, the people who are saying LN doesnt harden are using a different kind than I am, cause if you ever try to break a box apart after its sealed you gonna have amess and the LN is gonna be in the same spot it was before you started when you are done
Agreed, when I try to take a box apart, there WILL be a layer of LN there afterwards
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quote:Originally posted by Navidriver: I use both myself, titebond when building the box and the go over the seams with liquid nails. A little overkill never hurts, the people who are saying LN doesnt harden are using a different kind than I am, cause if you ever try to break a box apart after its sealed you gonna have amess and the LN is gonna be in the same spot it was before you started when you are done
Agreed, when I try to take a box apart, there WILL be a layer of LN there afterwards
I have to take a chisel and a hammer to get rid of the liquid nails.
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I have never used liquid nails It looks so thick that you would have some ugly places where pieces didnt line up due to the thickness of the adhesive. I have always used probond wood glue for the last 10 years and GE 100% pure silicone for sealing =)
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Using both wood glue and then silecone is too much hassle for me. The first ported box I made (also the one i'm using right now) was made using liquid nails. I forget if it was the red or navy blue tube. On my first joint, I realized that the panel was cut too short. Instead of recutting both pieces, I decided to take apart the two pieces. It was very tough to do. This is what has sold me on using construction adhesive to this day.
I have been using PL construction adhesive in my past few boxes. The viscosity is a little thinner than liquid nails hd. This makes it so easy to apply. I apply more than needed to the butt. At this point, all screw holes are predrilled and countersunk holes are drilled. I just screw the panels together. As the PL oozes out, I use a wet paper towel or rag to smooth the beads. Not only do I get the adhesive to secure the joint, it also seals both the inside and the outside of the joint.
My major gripe, as mentioned before, is the cleanup. I use latex gloves while applying the adhesive.
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