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Topic: 2 subs or 1 sub?
If you had 2 good amps, and wanted to be as loud as possible with limited power.... would you do 1 sub with lots O'Power on the 1, or 2 subs with less per sub?? Any results from testing before I start? -------------------- T3 Audio Incorporated >World Class Subwoofer & Speaker & Amplifier Development< Johnathan Demuth "All our dreams can come true, if we have the courage to pursue them."-- Walt Disney www.myspace.com/t3audio
J.DEMUTH
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posted 06-19-2004 03:01 PM
If you had 2 good amps, and wanted to be as loud as possible with limited power.... would you do 1 sub with lots O'Power on the 1, or 2 subs with less per sub?? Any results from testing before I start? -------------------- T3 Audio Incorporated >World Class Subwoofer & Speaker & Amplifier Development< Johnathan Demuth "All our dreams can come true, if we have the courage to pursue them."-- Walt Disney www.myspace.com/t3audio
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2 DD9515e (Dual 4) on 2 bd1000's (Older models-no sync) One per speaker=149.9 1 DD9515e (Dual 2) on 2 bd1000's(same ones)-one per Coil=150.3 One Red Top Battery on a battery Charger and covered the other hole with 3/4 inch MDF. Old Term-pro Mic at Home. Going to stick with the 1 woofer set-up and try to improve on the Box design. --------------------
*1LOWSUV*
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posted 06-19-2004 03:51 PM
2 DD9515e (Dual 4) on 2 bd1000's (Older models-no sync) One per speaker=149.9 1 DD9515e (Dual 2) on 2 bd1000's(same ones)-one per Coil=150.3 One Red Top Battery on a battery Charger and covered the other hole with 3/4 inch MDF. Old Term-pro Mic at Home. Going to stick with the 1 woofer set-up and try to improve on the Box design. --------------------
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Cool, any more input anyone?? -------------------- T3 Audio Incorporated >World Class Subwoofer & Speaker & Amplifier Development< Johnathan Demuth "All our dreams can come true, if we have the courage to pursue them."-- Walt Disney www.myspace.com/t3audio
J.DEMUTH
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posted 06-19-2004 05:01 PM
Cool, any more input anyone?? -------------------- T3 Audio Incorporated >World Class Subwoofer & Speaker & Amplifier Development< Johnathan Demuth "All our dreams can come true, if we have the courage to pursue them."-- Walt Disney www.myspace.com/t3audio
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quote: Originally posted by *1LOWSUV*: 2 DD9515e (Dual 4) on 2 bd1000's (Older models-no sync) One per speaker=149.9 1 DD9515e (Dual 2) on 2 bd1000's(same ones)-one per Coil=150.3 One Red Top Battery on a battery Charger and covered the other hole with 3/4 inch MDF. Old Term-pro Mic at Home. what were the box sizes and tuning for above numbers. thanks Joey Going to stick with the 1 woofer set-up and try to improve on the Box design. -------------------- Joey Audio Illusions Hickory NC 828-466-1515 Proud Memphis Car Audio Dealer Zero tolerance policy for prefab enclosures =)
Audio Illusions
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posted 06-19-2004 09:47 PM
quote: Originally posted by *1LOWSUV*: 2 DD9515e (Dual 4) on 2 bd1000's (Older models-no sync) One per speaker=149.9 1 DD9515e (Dual 2) on 2 bd1000's(same ones)-one per Coil=150.3 One Red Top Battery on a battery Charger and covered the other hole with 3/4 inch MDF. Old Term-pro Mic at Home. what were the box sizes and tuning for above numbers. thanks Joey Going to stick with the 1 woofer set-up and try to improve on the Box design. -------------------- Joey Audio Illusions Hickory NC 828-466-1515 Proud Memphis Car Audio Dealer Zero tolerance policy for prefab enclosures =)
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Audio Illusions: what were the box sizes and tuning for above numbers. thanks Joey QUOTE] Don't remember the box demensions, its been awhile. It was the same box in both situations, I just removed one of the speakers because it was bad. --------------------
*1LOWSUV*
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posted 06-20-2004 02:40 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Audio Illusions: what were the box sizes and tuning for above numbers. thanks Joey QUOTE] Don't remember the box demensions, its been awhile. It was the same box in both situations, I just removed one of the speakers because it was bad. --------------------
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quote: Originally posted by *1LOWSUV*: 2 DD9515e (Dual 4) on 2 bd1000's (Older models-no sync) One per speaker=149.9 1 DD9515e (Dual 2) on 2 bd1000's(same ones)-one per Coil=150.3 One Red Top Battery on a battery Charger and covered the other hole with 3/4 inch MDF. Old Term-pro Mic at Home. Going to stick with the 1 woofer set-up and try to improve on the Box design. Not a valid comparison as your box size effectively doubled and your box's tuning dropped accordingly. -------------------- 2005 Florida Street C Champion 2004 SBN Street C Champion 2004 SBN IDBL No Wall Champion 2003 NOPI Nats Street B Champion Pure Pressure Audio || TEAM GATES || HO-alternator || Florida SPL || DiRtY SoUtH DEAF SqUaD In loving memory of Jamie Riggs
Bumpin' Yota
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posted 06-27-2004 01:24 PM
quote: Originally posted by *1LOWSUV*: 2 DD9515e (Dual 4) on 2 bd1000's (Older models-no sync) One per speaker=149.9 1 DD9515e (Dual 2) on 2 bd1000's(same ones)-one per Coil=150.3 One Red Top Battery on a battery Charger and covered the other hole with 3/4 inch MDF. Old Term-pro Mic at Home. Going to stick with the 1 woofer set-up and try to improve on the Box design. Not a valid comparison as your box size effectively doubled and your box's tuning dropped accordingly. -------------------- 2005 Florida Street C Champion 2004 SBN Street C Champion 2004 SBN IDBL No Wall Champion 2003 NOPI Nats Street B Champion Pure Pressure Audio || TEAM GATES || HO-alternator || Florida SPL || DiRtY SoUtH DEAF SqUaD In loving memory of Jamie Riggs
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2 subs will be louder than 1 on the same total power. The street classes prove that. 4 12s are inherently louder than 2 15s on identicle power.... If you desire, I can also do some testing with my system on my new TL just to see. -------------------- 2005 Florida Street C Champion 2004 SBN Street C Champion 2004 SBN IDBL No Wall Champion 2003 NOPI Nats Street B Champion Pure Pressure Audio || TEAM GATES || HO-alternator || Florida SPL || DiRtY SoUtH DEAF SqUaD In loving memory of Jamie Riggs
Bumpin' Yota
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posted 06-27-2004 01:28 PM
2 subs will be louder than 1 on the same total power. The street classes prove that. 4 12s are inherently louder than 2 15s on identicle power.... If you desire, I can also do some testing with my system on my new TL just to see. -------------------- 2005 Florida Street C Champion 2004 SBN Street C Champion 2004 SBN IDBL No Wall Champion 2003 NOPI Nats Street B Champion Pure Pressure Audio || TEAM GATES || HO-alternator || Florida SPL || DiRtY SoUtH DEAF SqUaD In loving memory of Jamie Riggs
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Say you have two 12" 500 rms sub with 12.5mm xMax being pushed to xmax by 500 watts each . Then another 12" sub(dvc) 1000 watt rms(500 per coil) with 25 or greater xMax . The single 12" DVC will have the same output as the 2 subs .. Yes ? Yes ! -------------------- Alpine cda-9811 PG Bass Cube Mmats SQ2125 & D700.1 ~190/850rms CDT HD-62Z ~in custom kicks Kove KXS3.5's ~dash ambience Adire Brahma 12 ~ported 29hz
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posted 06-29-2004 09:39 PM
Say you have two 12" 500 rms sub with 12.5mm xMax being pushed to xmax by 500 watts each . Then another 12" sub(dvc) 1000 watt rms(500 per coil) with 25 or greater xMax . The single 12" DVC will have the same output as the 2 subs .. Yes ? Yes ! -------------------- Alpine cda-9811 PG Bass Cube Mmats SQ2125 & D700.1 ~190/850rms CDT HD-62Z ~in custom kicks Kove KXS3.5's ~dash ambience Adire Brahma 12 ~ported 29hz
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quote: Originally posted by mister_B: Say you have two 12" 500 rms sub with 12.5mm xMax being pushed to xmax by 500 watts each . Then another 12" sub(dvc) 1000 watt rms(500 per coil) with 25 or greater xMax . The single 12" DVC will have the same output as the 2 subs .. Yes ? Yes ! No. The 2 12.5mm drivers should be louder due to having 2 motors as opposed 1 motor - if the total displacement is the same and everything else is identicle (which it wouldn't be...) However, you really cannot predict output based upon what you have stated - or any TS parameter for that matter. Simple fact. It literally is ALL in the install and how well that install uses the car's transfer function to modulate the system's response (which can be predicted) into output (which cannot be predicted)... -------------------- 2005 Florida Street C Champion 2004 SBN Street C Champion 2004 SBN IDBL No Wall Champion 2003 NOPI Nats Street B Champion Pure Pressure Audio || TEAM GATES || HO-alternator || Florida SPL || DiRtY SoUtH DEAF SqUaD In loving memory of Jamie Riggs
Bumpin' Yota
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posted 06-30-2004 03:24 PM
quote: Originally posted by mister_B: Say you have two 12" 500 rms sub with 12.5mm xMax being pushed to xmax by 500 watts each . Then another 12" sub(dvc) 1000 watt rms(500 per coil) with 25 or greater xMax . The single 12" DVC will have the same output as the 2 subs .. Yes ? Yes ! No. The 2 12.5mm drivers should be louder due to having 2 motors as opposed 1 motor - if the total displacement is the same and everything else is identicle (which it wouldn't be...) However, you really cannot predict output based upon what you have stated - or any TS parameter for that matter. Simple fact. It literally is ALL in the install and how well that install uses the car's transfer function to modulate the system's response (which can be predicted) into output (which cannot be predicted)... -------------------- 2005 Florida Street C Champion 2004 SBN Street C Champion 2004 SBN IDBL No Wall Champion 2003 NOPI Nats Street B Champion Pure Pressure Audio || TEAM GATES || HO-alternator || Florida SPL || DiRtY SoUtH DEAF SqUaD In loving memory of Jamie Riggs
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