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LowFreq
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I'm looking to know if sound waves travel along surfaces as soon as they come out of the port.Or do they just go everywhere lol?

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what do you mean follow surfaces? It's a case by case scenario.

Say, for example, you take a horn (mid/high) and build the dash around it...basically by molding the dash having it flow with the shape of the horn, enlarging the mouth...it will esentially 'tune' it lower.

Same goes for flared ports. The shape/radius will alter the frequency.

So yes, the sound waves can travel along surfaces. But it also reflects.

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so a flared port effectively lowers the tuning when compared to a comparable nonflared port?

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quote:
Originally posted by Bumpin' Yota:
so a flared port effectively lowers the tuning when compared to a comparable nonflared port?

I'm not sure what you're asking. When compared to a comparable nonflared port?

I wouldn't say any flare or radius will "effectively lower tuning". I'd more say, the shape/radius can alter frequency.

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quote:
Originally posted by deaf tones:
quote:
Originally posted by Bumpin' Yota:
so a flared port effectively lowers the tuning when compared to a comparable nonflared port?

I'm not sure what you're asking. When compared to a comparable nonflared port?

I wouldn't say any flare or radius will "effectively lower tuning". I'd more say, the shape/radius can alter frequency.

im asking how will it alter the frequency

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with a flare it can start acting like a horn port...you can tune it too.

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cutting a slit in pvc longways and putting it on the edges of the ends of the ports like some people do with walls and such in spl. does this lower the tuning so they can make the port really short?

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it's a case by case scenario. Can't say it will lower the tuning...or raise it for that matter.

Take into consideration: Say someone has a wall with a 24" wide port. Then use 6" pvc around the edges of the port mouth. That's going to take up to a good 3" along each edge right? So the port is no longer 24" wide...

changing the size (changing the shape is essentially changing the size) will alter the freq.

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Baaahh what do you know..just kiddin

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Someone mentioned the flare of a horn, but the flare of a horn is not tuning it lower, the horn itself deals with resonance, it has a small section, high resonant point all the way to whatever size you finish with at a lower resonant frequency, it is essentially the same thing as the BOX is for an acoustic suspension, but it has multiple FS points, leaving a bandwidth of FS if you will, within that bandwidth, it is highly efficient. The shape of the horn simply directs it's radiation path. The sound waves reflect, they won't just skim along the wall, air will however. As long as you remember to separate the two and what each does for SPL if that is your end goal. Case in point: our van has the "rounded vent lip". Let's just say that the vent is large to say the least. What most people would consider the length of the vent, determined by whatever board comes from the face into the box is not very deep, but allows a very big radius to round it off. At first, it was flat with maybe a 1" radiused edge, playing it's loudest at so and so frequency. Once further radiused with X amount of a radius, the frequency did not alter, but the output went up drastically. "Drastically" was determined from the idea that the beginning SPL # was already above 162dB.....to make a change as large as we gained is drastic since vehicles of this magnitude do not gain 3dB from doubling power or cone surface area. As far as Aero ports go, they also have a very high resonant frequency as compared to wood vents, this does create multiple frequencies being emmited from the vent, so the length of it can tune the enclosure, but the size of the flare can also help with velocity and turbulence as well as lend a second frequency, which can assist at the dash. But simply put, if you study acoustics a little, you'll see that soundwaves do not "follow or skim along" a surface, rather they reflect off of them. Air will, with turbulence ofcoarse.

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