quote:Originally posted by ccox1970: turbos are fine for ricers but for v-8 super charger is the best way to go.
you obviously dont know what your talking about.. look at most of the really fast drag cars.. alot of them are running monster turbos..
The fastest cars in the world (funny cars, top fuel dragsters) all use superchargers.
I don't think turbos will EVER replace superchargers in those applications. You see how big the turbos are for cars that run 6-7 second 1/4 miles, imagine how big they'd have to be to run 4's.
we've had this convo before..banks has experimented w/ turbos in top-fuel..they cant build a transmission to hold up with the power.
a turbo is an exhaust driven supercharger...it just doesnt have to driven by the engines belt(s) allowing it to make more power..
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meade im looking at picking up an avalanche here shortly gonna be mobbing your inbox up if i do.
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quote:Originally posted by ccox1970: turbos are fine for ricers but for v-8 super charger is the best way to go.
you obviously dont know what your talking about.. look at most of the really fast drag cars.. alot of them are running monster turbos..
The fastest cars in the world (funny cars, top fuel dragsters) all use superchargers.
I don't think turbos will EVER replace superchargers in those applications. You see how big the turbos are for cars that run 6-7 second 1/4 miles, imagine how big they'd have to be to run 4's.
we've had this convo before..banks has experimented w/ turbos in top-fuel..they cant build a transmission to hold up with the power.
a turbo is an exhaust driven supercharger...it just doesnt have to driven by the engines belt(s) allowing it to make more power..
turbo>supercharger for every application[/story]
Top fuel cars don't have transmissions.....
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quote:Originally posted by ccox1970: turbos are fine for ricers but for v-8 super charger is the best way to go.
you obviously dont know what your talking about.. look at most of the really fast drag cars.. alot of them are running monster turbos..
The fastest cars in the world (funny cars, top fuel dragsters) all use superchargers.
I don't think turbos will EVER replace superchargers in those applications. You see how big the turbos are for cars that run 6-7 second 1/4 miles, imagine how big they'd have to be to run 4's.
we've had this convo before..banks has experimented w/ turbos in top-fuel..they cant build a transmission to hold up with the power.
a turbo is an exhaust driven supercharger...it just doesnt have to driven by the engines belt(s) allowing it to make more power..
turbo>supercharger for every application[/story]
Top fuel cars don't have transmissions.....
"To prevent a loss of traction, power is transferred from the engine to the rear tires via a complex timer-controlled clutch system. The centrifugal pressure that squeezes the four discs and three steel floater plates together is applied gradually in a series of infinitesimal stages controlled by a hydraulic-fluid-powered throwout bearing and ram until complete one-to-one lockup with the engine and drivetrain is achieved, approximately three seconds into the run."
sounds like a transmission to me ...either way, they cant build one of those to handle the power.
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yea that tranny probably wont last but hey those rims alone are going to kill it anyway but might as well have fun with it while it last I'm on my second one for the year.....but a guy I know with an avalanche on 6's went thru his tranny not to long ago he sold the rims off and traded it in and got a jag, and my boi wit the 8's on the 04 F150 has already went thru a rear end....
But another downside to the lag turbos encounter is the extreme heat they put off...but if you take one of those reprogrammers and reprogram teh transmission, and do a complete flush and re install some redline fluid it will last a little longer...did that to the guy who bought the sixes off that 04 avalanche and he put them on an 05 lanche...no problems so far
Suprise suprise.....I jsut copped myself another set of 6's but I plan on trading them in because they are some L-cheapo TIS rims...I'm going to either sale or trade the 24's off my monte at the end of october, I may try to trade both the 6's and 4's in for 26" Rose Gold Davins....don't know yet but be on the look out for updates round the beginning of the year...
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quote:Originally posted by ccox1970: turbos are fine for ricers but for v-8 super charger is the best way to go.
you obviously dont know what your talking about.. look at most of the really fast drag cars.. alot of them are running monster turbos..
The fastest cars in the world (funny cars, top fuel dragsters) all use superchargers.
I don't think turbos will EVER replace superchargers in those applications. You see how big the turbos are for cars that run 6-7 second 1/4 miles, imagine how big they'd have to be to run 4's.
we've had this convo before..banks has experimented w/ turbos in top-fuel..they cant build a transmission to hold up with the power.
a turbo is an exhaust driven supercharger...it just doesnt have to driven by the engines belt(s) allowing it to make more power..
turbo>supercharger for every application[/story]
Top fuel cars don't have transmissions.....
"To prevent a loss of traction, power is transferred from the engine to the rear tires via a complex timer-controlled clutch system. The centrifugal pressure that squeezes the four discs and three steel floater plates together is applied gradually in a series of infinitesimal stages controlled by a hydraulic-fluid-powered throwout bearing and ram until complete one-to-one lockup with the engine and drivetrain is achieved, approximately three seconds into the run."
sounds like a transmission to me ...either way, they cant build one of those to handle the power.
You obviously never seen a normal racing transmission. A series of clutchplates is HARDLY a transmission. One-to-one ratio with the axle. No gearing or any of that crap. The only reason for the clutches is because you can't apply 8000+ hp to the wheels on an instant.
Do you have any links to these turbo tests? I highly doubt ANYBODY will ever use them for top fuel/funny cars. They are far more complicated to run than a supercharger, not to mention trying to run and intercool one of those things on cars that need to be as aerodynamic as possible. Even if they did get one to run, i don't think anyone would use em. Afterall, where the hell are you gonna run all the plumbing for a turbo, the turbo itself, and the intercooler in a top fuel car?
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quote:Originally posted by bobthebrat: If you have alot of weight, a supercharger will better fit the application. That way you get the power right away to move the beast. Turbos take air to push them, so no power till you get a little bit of speed up.
If the turbo is properly sized you can start making boost as low as 1500 rpm and the turbo won't be spinning too fast at the top of the vechicles operating range. Because you have to have airflow and velocity, when you don't have enough velocity you have turbo lag.
Besides Semis = really heavy! and lots use turbochargers.
Semi= with torque monster diesel motors, and a compression ratio on adverage of 18:1 , wit all the plastic up under the hood of lade you'd be fabbing heat sheilds for a min, notice the provisions most OEM turbo equiped have, since hes not racing it, hes probably looking for something simple, quick easy and effective, mainly for conversation and bragging but still functional, with that in mind bolt on supercharger would be the best way to go hands down
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quote:Originally posted by Cutlassthunder: I've seen top fuel funney cars with them but they normally have 2-4 of them and no intercooler...the one I saw had 4 massive turbos
Those aren't the top fuel funny cars i'm referring to. ZERO NHRA top fuel funny cars or dragsters run turbos. I was just at an NHRA event on friday.
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