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o2MilleniASs
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is it true that 125 x 4 watts from a boss amp will sound exactly the same as a 125 x 4 zapco amp or any other high end brand???...

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Darkness
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technically yes...if that is the actual power coming out of both amps...not by obtuse company ratings...

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o2MilleniASs
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so why would someone pay over double the amount for a high end amp when they could get a cheaper amp with the same power??

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because power isn't everything. You have to look at things like Signal to Noise ratio, Total harmonic distortion, damping etc..

All of which the zapco will dominate at. Not to mention the zapco will probably last a hell of a lot longer.

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quote:
Originally posted by Nomex:
because power isn't everything. You have to look at things like Signal to Noise ratio, Total harmonic distortion, damping etc..

All of which the zapco will dominate at. Not to mention the zapco will probably last a hell of a lot longer.

most of those specs are meaningless after a certain level because you wont hear a difference

build quality i do believe in however

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quote:
Originally posted by o2MilleniASs:
is it true that 125 x 4 watts from a boss amp will sound exactly the same as a 125 x 4 zapco amp or any other high end brand???...

A watt is a watt. You won't notice a difference in SQ unless the amp is pushed into clipping.

Weird, huh?

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thanks a lot.

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You are paying more for reliability and actual power. A boss amp is not going to keep up with my Usamps tu600. You could probably take a 1000 watt boss amp next to my 600 watt (rated specs here) US and mine would "sound" better. The thing is, to get a clean 150 watts out of a boss amp is not going to be easy or as much of a price savings once reliability/build quality is factored in.

Headroom is what will usually make you hear a difference.

That being said, I am a believer in tube amps. I have a USamps 600x on my floor and a TU-600 as well, the TU being the tube amp. When comparing the underside of the amps, even though they are rated to do the same power by USamps, the Tube amp is noticabally beefier. Makes me wonder if the SQ difference I hear is actually the tube fairy at work or the headroom working its magic.....

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Tube amps do sound different than solid state amps.
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o2MilleniASs
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hey eastcoast, do you know any good places where I can get a us tube amp from?

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Do a search on ebay for "US amps Tube" look at a couple of the auctions and you will find a seller by the name of Andy4879 (I think those are the #'s) He is a legit dealer, he owns a shop in georgia, the amp you get will have a serial # and everything and he warrantees it through his shop for a year, he is who I got my amps through. He gave me a lil bit better price for not going through the auction or paying with paypal, as both of those cost him $, so we kind of split the difference, I saved and he saved. He is an honest guy, no worries.

DO NOT DEAL WITH MILOTRONICS.

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o2MilleniASs
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..wow 500.00 for it =\ do you think the 75x4 from the US tube amp would out perform the 125x4 from the avionixx 800.4?

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I don't know what avionixx rates their amps at, but US is rated at 12.5 volts. Expect about a 10% increase in power per volt so you would probably see about 105 watts.

I've seen mixed reviews about the avionixx reliability, you will not find such about USamps.

The choice is yours my friend, $500 is alot for an amp, especially a 4 channel that can't be bridged, perhaps in your price bracket you can find something with more bang for your buck.

Usamps also hold a high resale value if they are cosmetically taken care of, because unless they are beaten to the exteme, they rarely die.

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maybe I can find a used one.

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