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tfb
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I've looked through almost all of the old forum, and learned how to take a stab at making kick panel pods. The new kick panel is made, fits, and screws in. I made the front baffle for my PG xs 6.5" components. It is 1.5" of MDF. The baffle is angled up into centre of car, ready for enclosing/sealing to kick ppanel with trunk liner and resin, then fibreglass, and wall damping, and acoustic damping with pollyfill. (what is the Canadian name for pollyfill. Most stores want to sell me gyprock putty when I ask for it) (thanks for all the tips.)

Should the pod be completly air tight sealed, with no access into the back. If so, how do I run the speaker wire out and keep the seal. Is there a way to do it without using the speaker terminal plate (where do I buy one) that I see on home speakers.

Also, the baffle is thick enough that I could have just made a mounting hole for the 1" tweeter that fully enclosed it, to seperate it completly from the inside of the pod enclosure. Is there any benefit to having completly seperate sealed chambers for the tweeter and the midbass.

I'm into SQ over SPL. (do I need a tube amp for that :-) couldn't resist after just reading the tube vs transister debate, I'm a big tube fan ARC VT100 all the way!!

Tom Braidwood

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Posts: 13 | From: Whistler, BC, Canada | Registered: May 1999  | Report this post to a Moderator
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Hey, you need to ask for Dacron up here in canuck land, polyfill is used for drywall repairs .
Posts: 4 | From: Cranbrook, BC, Canada | Registered: May 1999  | Report this post to a Moderator
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Dude, that's Polyfilla. We use Polyester Fiber Fill - polyfill is a slang term.
You should be asking at WalMart in the fabric secton or at a fabric store - Revy and Home Depot don't sell it.
Just tell them you need pillow stuffing.

I'm making the R/T's KPs aperiodic but sealed is ok - you might lose a little lower mid since the manufacturer intended a big ol' door for mounting. The poly will help if sealed.

The tube amps for car are all hybrids (except Milbert $$)with only tube front sections, but they still give that good ol' tube feeling. A solid state will do just fine.
I prefer RF.

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Posts: 3690 | From: Abbotsford, BC, Canada | Registered: Mar 2000  | Report this post to a Moderator
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I ended up prefering an opening in the
back of my KP's with lots of poly-fill.
I tried sealed with poly and without.
And I tried open without and prefered
it with a 4 to 5" opening with lots of
poly. Good move on the damping


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TMan's got it down! Experimentation always leads to the best sound!!

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Posts: 3690 | From: Abbotsford, BC, Canada | Registered: Mar 2000  | Report this post to a Moderator
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Thanks. I'll try it both ways.

Sorry, but I hope you'll excuse me if I ramble on about tubes, and the party we had last night.

The thing about tubes is, sweet as they can be, there is a huge breakdown factor. I thought I learned my lesson 10 years ago when I had an ARC D70 in my home system. Great sound, but about $500 per year in repairs to tubes, and the odd circut board they can take out with them. So I went back to reliable old solid state.

Recently, hearing how much more reliable they are, I went back to tubes for the home system, ARC VT 100.

Last night about 60 of us celebrated birthdays for 3 of us. (Age? My 20s were a while ago) Great party, outstanding music. Right in the heat of the Hip's live album, everyone rocking and dancing, fizzz fizzz fizzz, tubes blow, tunes gone. Luckily I still had my Classe transistor amp to switch in. Tunes again :-) Many more hours of rocking at high volume, bevvies spilling everywhere, people dancing on top of tables, chairs, sofa's, other people; noise complaints and a visit from a boy in blue. What a gas. Gotta like Solid State reliabilty.

And to think we're supposed to become civilized, responsible, and mature as we grow old. It must have been the influence of
the old rugby mates from the Abbotsford RFC (rugby football club.)

This morning, I sat and listened critically to the Cowboy Junkies: Trinnity Sessions (what a great version of Blue Moon). It sounded outstanding. Like she was right there. Time to rethink that "tube" thing.

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hehe
Yeah don't get some of us started on
the tube thing. I'm willing to fly in
the face of the old audiophyles and
acoustic engineers about tubes (NOT)
sounding better. Of course they have
well more than my well over 10 years
pro experience. But I actually studied
tubes just to have the ability to back
up my common sense and state fact in
my debate with them.
(this post is not meant to start a new
topic within this one. If you wish to
discuss tubes please do so in a new
thread.)


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Building my doors and kicks

My drivetrain upgrades
'Where there's a will there's a wall'
'Would you like a little SQ with your SPL?'


Posts: 926 | From: Sugarland, Tx | Registered: May 1999  | Report this post to a Moderator
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Tech... Lets not get started on tubes again. I agree with you but everyone has their opinion. Lets leave it at that.

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Posts: 289 | From: Howell, MI | Registered: May 1999  | Report this post to a Moderator
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tfb,

Dude, you own a 240Z??? Ooooh, man I wanted one of those when I was 17 - girl I knew drove a sweet custom one.
I'd still like one.

Eli47 had a 280 - almost as good

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Dukk, they are beautiful cars. I spent 4 years restoring mine, removed everything from drivetrain, suspension, brake/gas lines, to electrical and interior. Cut out rust, welded new metal in, friend did perfect body work and paint. All new bushings, motor etc etc.

The cheapest way to get one is to find someone who did like I did, and sells it off. They dump 12, 000 + into it. Sell for 5 - 6,000. Nissan did restoration job on 240s, sold them for 25 - 30 K, so prices went up.

Check this out http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Garage/2879/linx.html.

Great set of links. Internet Z Car Club, and 240 z club are great sites.

This guy is one of the shops that did the resto work for nissan, and has some nice ones for sale at about 5k us: http://www.classicdatsun.com/

So now I need to get my stereo in :-)

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I'll agree about those great cars !
While I was in Winterpeg I met aguy who runs a small bodyshop and mechanic, he swapped out the sweet 6 cylinder and dropped in Chevy 350's . Now the true classic 240 or 280 is stock or close but these 5 or 6 V-8 monsters could make your head stick to the headrest.
We raced several corvettes and mustangs always suprised the guys (or girls) driving.
way too much fun

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If you don't feel like fu@king around with all that fiberglass and $hit then go to www.crutchfield.com they got some good quality Q logic kick panels for under $250.00

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Those Q Forms are an easy solution. However most people would agree that you are not going to win a show with them. If you take your time and make a good set you will be much better off. TECH has some good pics on his site if anyone wants to take a look.

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