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For those of you who don't go in to the European section.. it's been mentioned over there that the big ESBN show in Sinsheim Germany was cancelled this year.
Instead of having dbDrag they are going with a different format called EMMA. From what I can tell it's more of an SQ/show & shine type event. (EMMA was present in the past, but it was a 50/50 mix. Now it's all EMMA)
This was basically their version of SBN so it's very sad to see it go.
The fact that it's being replaced by another audio format makes me wonder why they chose to go that route over dbDrags. The only reason I can come up with is the fact that people can actually SEE those cars.
Cars being open for people to see is interesting for specatators. Even if they aren't playing music.
Cars closed and covered up are boring - even for people interested in SPL.
It's not rocket science. More specatators means the shows continue to exist. Less spectators mean it's not worth the effort for show promotors.
I understand that people want to avoid being copied, but if we don't start opening up our cars there won't be any events, and thus no reason to even be copied in the first place.
I think dbDRA needs to take a look at what's better for the SPORT in general rather than just a few competitors who only have their own interests at heart. The rules are there to ensure that cars are open, but never enforced. Maybe it's about time.
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I don't think closed cars are the problem. Crown involvement is the main factor in my opinion for good entertainment at a show. Have you seen pictures from their past ESBN's? Closed cars would be the last thing on your mind. Also look at events like our SBN, and NOPI. They are large because there is lots going on, freebies, demo cars etc. It looks like EMMA is going to bring more crowd involvement and cars that are appealing.
Strange how their website has a DB Drag logo on it when they are their own organization.
Interesting things from their rulebook:
13. The vehicle must be shown to the public after the measurement is finished. The organisers will point out an area for presentation. In that case the cars must be presented to the public for a minimum time of 15 Minutes. If the presentation does not happen the judge or Event Director will deduct 10 Points.
For ESPL, the challenge is to reproduce high sound Pressure levels in nice designed cars with quality installations.
quote:Originally posted by dBSteve: EMMA is a joke
A joke that is taking over for dbDrags.
They must be doing something right.
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quote:Originally posted by dBSteve: EMMA is a joke
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quote:Originally posted by KickinAudio: I don't think closed cars are the problem. Crown involvement is the main factor in my opinion for good entertainment at a show. Have you seen pictures from their past ESBN's? Closed cars would be the last thing on your mind. Also look at events like our SBN, and NOPI. They are large because there is lots going on, freebies, demo cars etc. It looks like EMMA is going to bring more crowd involvement and cars that are appealing.
Strange how their website has a DB Drag logo on it when they are their own organization.
Interesting things from their rulebook:
13. The vehicle must be shown to the public after the measurement is finished. The organisers will point out an area for presentation. In that case the cars must be presented to the public for a minimum time of 15 Minutes. If the presentation does not happen the judge or Event Director will deduct 10 Points.
For ESPL, the challenge is to reproduce high sound Pressure levels in nice designed cars with quality installations.
But open cars are the first step for crowd involvement.
At least they can see the equipment and get interested.
I know when I first got in to SPL it was because I went to shows and SAW people with big amps and multiple subs.
Going to a show and seeing a closed up car with a blanket is not interesting. I can see regular cars like that in any mall parking lot.
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Well at Sinsheim all dB dragracing cars are behind a fence... And if you don´t compete you are not able to get on the "right side off the fence"... This means you won´t see much off the cars.
EMMA on the other side has all cars in public, I don´t like the EMMA ESPL format but if I go to a show just to look at cars, well then I rather look up close then from 25 meters away..
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For a spectator it dousnt matter if its EMMA or dB Drag , they just wanna see installs . Imagine the rest off the Sinsheim show with closed and covered up cars . The show would die in 1 day .
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Steve, people like jokes And VHS was a joke also compared to other technics...
Ok, the fence is one problem. But why is it there? Some Competitors think and act like the pit stalls are construction areas, and thats what the pitstalls look like most times and its horrible to see all the trash after the show, what can be seen at world finals also, just 4 times more. If you go to a show, such a big show, to build or repair or construct your car, your at the WRONG place ! My opinion. Cars should be ready and construction just in emergency case, because dB Drag is a hi tec sport with high performances. People who act bad against spectators help to bring the image down. Sometimes a "less" professional thing gets more attraction, what shouldnt be. We dont need EMMA rules (sense or nonsense) but we need to enforce the open car and nice environment ruling for dB Drag. But thats just one point. The show and the performance of dB Drags is out of question, ok, Bass Race has the potential to take over also, IF its provided and supported.
All in all difficult and at least for 2007 dB Drag is out. Whoever really is responsible for that, I think a little part can be shifted to some competitors ans their behavior (even if it wasnt meant bad !).
Arguments like in Formula 1 nobody can go into the pit stalls of the teams dont count. F1 itself is attractive so the there are more abilities for spectators to see and learn about the thing they are fans of. And some more points...
So what can we do now? Complain somewhere? Please the Managers of Sinsheim to rethink their situation?
My Idea was to register as EMMA ESPL competitor. So we are able to move into the facility and get entrance to the show. Once in the "area" we do our own competition in the pit stalls, hehe. Ok, eliminations are difficult to handle bc your not allowed to move the cars around, but better than nothing, hu? Ok, this is just an idea for an emergency compromise...
Somebody has a better idea?
Sinsheim without dB drag (like 2002) is like a plane without wings: It flies, but just downwards, very fast...
Ü MM (who will NOT support EMMA like before and I would be happy to see the logo removed from the TermLab Software)
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No real database, rubber rules like NOWHERE in the world, subjective judging about exhausts, wheels, interior style, never accurate. Using a Audio Control what can be manipulatet or tempered. No real accuracy and validating of a score. (Ok, we have issues in dB Drag also but WE CARE !!!) Cars what play high scores and open doors, and nobody hear a sound, or at least a loud sound, and all (most, official) people believe what the meter says...
If they would use at least the TermLab, but using and believing SUCH scores sometimes is really a joke like Steve said. Then one day you got 2 points for your wheels, then just one, others got three, then two, Everytime they find something else to devide points. Its like throwing dice. Then, if somebody is loosing, he complains as long til the scoresheet will be changed and so on. The idea was good, but it became worse and more worse during the years. Even if I am german champ since I do this, every year, thers always trouble and problems. And finally it screwed me totally that I dont care anymore. Maybe go there and play for fun, but not one second I will waste because of this format and the funny rulings and judgings...
They said, it is a thing for everybody, ok, like dB Drag. Its cheap, its fun. Ok, but your louder by 10 dB ! But you loose bc. the other guy has 20" rims, 20 layer paintjob, 1 zillion LEDs Pimp style in his car, spoilers and wings all around like an airplane, and you get 5 points away because you dont have the right fuse in your car... What the hell you have to do? Spend big money on everything but the car audio system. Ok, this should not be an EMMA bashing thread, but this format is far away from being more professional than dB Drag. Its just that some people made other people BELIEVE that. So very clever people from EMMA hu? Lets see how far they come with such doings...
Ü MM
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Before some people get me wrong: I dont want to prohibit building of the cars ! If done properly and clean (I know, but ...) its veeery interesting for spectators to look into this when somebody recones a speaker or so. But just all that trash and stuff laying around. Chaos everywhere, that kills the atmosphere. WE like that, no question. Then everywhere tools and of course expensive equipment. Then timelack and hurry, and you see it happen that a competitor gets harsh to a spectator. Thats what I mean. But if no building will be done, its way cleaner...
xxxx.se is Sweden? Sometimes the organisators in a country do both things, or even more. And that is totally ok with me ! As long as they dont damage one side with their doings. But you see, there is no real structure. EMMA "Europe" tries to get dB Drag away from Sinsheim (not proofed, just suggestion) and it damages indirectly his own "franchisetaker" who support dB Drag in different countries.
I tell you, I foundet and raised, basically together with 3 other people, anew SQ format over here in Germany. Called AYA. Its just about sound. Install should be secure and clean and you have your points. This format is still small. But we have tremendous support from companies and competitors and a good feedback. (and some critics as well, what is ok, we act !) Some do EMMA also, some never did and will do EMMA. We just provided a platform what was needed. And even if we say we are there for just one year now, we have over 60 paying members, 20+ sponsors, and we did in germany 10 competitions plus finals. All over Germany ! EMMA had (international Events out) just 6, not all over Germany. AYA had 140 different names competing, EMMA just 130 !!! We had 80+ newcomers, EMMA 60 something. Just in total competitors EMMA had more. 240 against our 205. My own Event WITH EMMA in 2006, was one of the biggest after Sinsheim this year. I wrote that. But 2007, NO EMMA ! Some may think this is a revenge, but everybody is free in his opinion. So, whatcha think? If EMMA is the biggest of all, what are we after our first year? dB Drag has 100+ competitions in a year over here in Germany, 1500+ different names. THAT IS BIG ! See what is going on all over the world in dB Drag. Ok, 28 nations at a final is something respektable, no doubt. Buts still just one continent. dBDrag World Finals were bigger than the EMMA Euros, EMMA claims to have held the biggest car audio event ever. I was at both...
Again, just stating facts, not bashing an organisation.
And if you see how we at AYA act: We look that we go togehter with dB Drag. Hand in hand to provide what people want. Its a friendship not a fiendship.
Man, I have no time for so much writing...
Ü MM
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i know if i get to the numbers in ex 1 that i want i woudnt let but a selct few to see the intrior.what the use of a building a 175-180db+ car too show everyone ur install and be capable of what ur hitting.doesnt make sence u spent all that time to make it that loud trial and error.so anyone else should beable to do that also. its a competition not a car show.its a competition do u see anone else in race cars or anything else sharing all there secrets.jordo does this not make sence or would u like everyone too show off there system so all ur sectrets u have found over the years are free to anyone.sounds retarted too me
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Whats a secret ?? Something that gains 0,2 in one car but dousnt in another ? Whats a secret ?? Playing with a BP design and seeing a normal ported do the same nr ( not talking about EX ) ? Whats a secret ??
C'mon , secrets are BS , i can look at Dantes car , mikko's car , but can i do a 17++++ ?
You can look at every cars box or wall , but never can you do the same nr , if you can the box will not be same as what you saw .
This is the official homepage for EMMA Sweden. If you "clic" the dBdrag logo you will be directed to www.dbdrag.se thats the official hompage för dBDrag in Sweden.
Right now we have moved the dbdrag page to the EMMA server du to rebuliding of the dbdragpage.
Sweden is a small country and we are arranging both EMMA and dBDrag side by side. and it works outstanding. dBDrag och BassRace as format cant be duplicated or replaced.... it rocks. EMMA on the other hand have som compleatly different classes that brings non dB cars to the show and some of the SQ cars LOVE bassrace.
The problem with dBdrag is like Oki sais that most of the cars is closed an look like crap, and not many spectators want to look att closed junk cars. But when the same car moved in the lane the spectators are running to watch. During Swedish finals 2006 we had 200 spectators on the grandstand even when we had lunchbreak... the were wating for the cars to go back in.
6-9 of April 2007 we will have a big competition i Jönköping in southern Sweden. During these 4 days we will arrange one 3X competition and one 1X competition. We will have 100.000 spectators and its no problem for us to move the ESBN there.
Best Regards
-------------------- Roger Edvinsson Swedish dBDragracing
2002-2007 dBDragracing Judge
Swedish Champion Street 3-4 1999 & 2000 & 2001 European Champion Street 3-4 1999 & 2000 155.4dB Certified
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