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I didnt read every word of every post because frankly, thats more reading than I care to put effort into. But, from what I did read, here are some thoughts....
1. If you are going to offer a place for manufacturers to give information and advice, doesn't it look like you are trying to make a buck when you make it exclusive to who gives you a buck?
2. Offering information about an upcoming product is a great idea, which is why they already do it on their company website. If I want information on a company, I don't go to a 3rd party, I go to the source.
3. Regardless of what the sections would be for, you would still end up with "why did it break", "this doesnt do anything like you said it would", "I have a raging clue for your product", and other miscellaneous negative comments which would quickly be deleted because they are a sponsor. In addition to that, what good is having the section if you can't see more than 1 side of it? If the manufacturer can brag, why can't everybody see the bad side too?
4. If they offer off-the-shelf ratings that are different from the box/literature, they should change their ratings period. If they are valid they have nothing to worry about.
I just see it as a one-sided outlet for positive commentary on a given product, otherwise known as an advertisment. If a section would be provided for manufacturers, it should include un-filtered Q&A and tech support. Come to think of it, that should be directed to their own website anyway.
As Nick said, there is less interest in a system a person wouldn't have themself than something they can attain. For those people, they don't post on forums all day.
quote:Originally posted by ibanender: I didnt read every word of every post because frankly, thats more reading than I care to put effort into. But, from what I did read, here are some thoughts....
Thank you for the opinion. That is why I am asking.
(the smilies are added just so you can see where my reply to your questions begins)
1. If you are going to offer a place for manufacturers to give information and advice, doesn't it look like you are trying to make a buck when you make it exclusive to who gives you a buck? John Reply: If I was trying to make a buck, wouldn't I make it available to all forums (where the consumers are), especially public forums? I just figured that SPL product manufacturers could let you know what is new, that's all.
2. Offering information about an upcoming product is a great idea, which is why they already do it on their company website. If I want information on a company, I don't go to a 3rd party, I go to the source. John Reply: Wouldn't it be nice to just go to one site and not 20? We wouldn't be the third party...we would be the first party. Most web sites don't show new products coming soon. They show what is on the shelf right now. If you want to go to a manufactures web site...that's cool... this just happens to be a place where people are interested in an application specific product (SPL related)
3. Regardless of what the sections would be for, you would still end up with "why did it break", "this doesnt do anything like you said it would", "I have a raging clue for your product", and other miscellaneous negative comments which would quickly be deleted because they are a sponsor. In addition to that, what good is having the section if you can't see more than 1 side of it? If the manufacturer can brag, why can't everybody see the bad side too? John Reply: You are right about some people wanting to jump in and talk about every problem they have ever had. This would be a section to see what's new..that's all. Of course, product related questions would be fine. Every manufacturer has on-line and phone for tech support. This would just be for 2 way communication between you and the manufacture regarding the new SPL products and not a tech support hot-line. I wouldn't post my catalogue nor would the other manufacturers
4. If they offer off-the-shelf ratings that are different from the box/literature, they should change their ratings period. If they are valid they have nothing to worry about. John Reply: I agree. The specifications should be the advertised specs also used on the gift box and literature.
I just see it as a one-sided outlet for positive commentary on a given product, otherwise known as an advertisment. If a section would be provided for manufacturers, it should include un-filtered Q&A and tech support. Come to think of it, that should be directed to their own website anyway. John Reply: I don't think it would be one sided at all. We would tell you about the new products and you could ask questions and provide comments. Test results too if you wanted. It's not bragging...it's just telling you what is available. It's not a place to rate or trash the products. That is what tech support hot lines are for.
As Nick said, there is less interest in a system a person wouldn't have themself than something they can attain. For those people, they don't post on forums all day.
John Reply: If you personally would not be interested in the information...that's cool. I think most people would be interested in brousing around to see what is new and very often, there is product available that not every one is aware of.
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quote: John Reply: If you personally would not be interested in the information...that's cool. I think most people would be interested in brousing around to see what is new and very often, there is product available that not every one is aware of.
Like I said, that's what a company website is for. Then EVERYBODY will know, not just select people. That makes more sense when you are trying to sell product, right?
quote: John Reply: If you personally would not be interested in the information...that's cool. I think most people would be interested in brousing around to see what is new and very often, there is product available that not every one is aware of.
Like I said, that's what a company website is for. Then EVERYBODY will know, not just select people. That makes more sense when you are trying to sell product, right?
Wrong. You are reading too much into this. Of course we have a web site for promoting new products and no, were not trying to sell products here.
Here is another way to look at it. There are very few car audio companies that support our sport any more (although there are many who reap the rewards of yours and our efforts with out contributing) There is only a handful of companies like Kicker, T3, DD, Maxxsonics, DB Drive and a few more that exhibit at the big and little shows, do trophy sponsorships, support teams, answer tech / product related questions on the forums, make bigger, better and more powerful products you all use to compete.
As a competitor: You work hard on your cars all year, you travel, you compete, you spend thousands of dollars to do this and at the end of the day, you may get a trophy. That trophy you get, the prase from others, the bragging rights of a job well done and the recognition you get when your name is posted on the forums is what it is all about. If you don't get the trophy, you are still proud of what you have accomplished and others are proud of your attempt. This also is what it's all about.
As a manufacture: We work hard all year long on new products, we travel, we compete, we spend hundreds of thousands of dollars and at the end of the day, we hope to get a new customer. We hope you win, we hope you get a trophy and we support you whether you do or don't win.
You want to win a trophy and we want to win a customer. Were here to support you and we only ask for the same.
Were on the same team and we all want our sport to grow. We need your support and you need ours. We don't ask for much more then that.
No hidden agenda, no ill intentions and no need to fight with-in.
I figured the benefits of having a source for first hand information was all yours.
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Ok after taking the time to finally read every post I see somethings are being read way to fine of a print that's not there.
John is asking if other manufactures would ALSO post info for not only there Team but also for the new guy that just signed on to the forum, or the new guy that won his first show.
How many people actully notice the new name at the top of the forum page? Does anyone know if that is a current user of their product?
How many times have there been post made by people here who were guessing on what the performance of a product can do or what the next line is gonna be like?
True enough we all have a particular product we all use on a regular but haow many go to EVERY manufacturers site to see ALL the new toys coming out after CES?
So why not 1 stop info page for those who want to know in the one place where we all meet?
We are gonna talk about it anyway why not have the info handy here?
Just my .02
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This is not for Maxxsonics. It is for any manufacture (Kicker, T3, DD, RE...) who wishes to participate.
Some one else suggested that maybe it should just be for the manufacturers that sponsor dB Drag. That's fine with me. In fact, if other manufacturers don't get involved, neither will we. Were not trying to self promote. I think this is something all manufactures should participate in.
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I like the idea. Will it get some usage? Yep. Will some never look there? You bet. But we would have a better 'one stop' look and search for questions concerning our particular products. If someone prefer's never to read that forum, or section. Cool. No problem. But if a new consumer wanted info on several 'hosting' manufactures products, there ya go. Answering questions about your product on your own forum, on a website, or dbDrag only helps all involved. Not all answers John and I would give (JD,Scott,etc) would either. But at least it would be accurate, not the jibberish you read on 12 other car audio forums that is usually false info. Will it add more sales to us all? Whom knows. But at least we would offer a one stop they could ask us directly, about some of our products, or what others think of this woofer in X box. I frequent here for friends, and questions, I really don't consider posting here a postive cash cow. <shrugs shoulders. I dunno....
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i like it. as you put it "1 stop looking" .lol
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Maybe I see questions important enough to be direct at the manufacturer, be direct TO the manufacturer? Such as, tech@brandnamehere.com. Posting on a forum asking a question or stroking your boner seems impersonal. Good support means direct attention, not a general response that just floats.
H-O-Alts-Rick has been a HUGE help to me this year, talking on the phone after hours and on weekends, and that really means a lot to me. He talked to me before I spent a dime, and I honestly havn't spent much money with them but I feel like I got the support of somebody who spent a million bucks. That is personal help. Posting and waiting for somebody to come back with something to me is no better than asking somebody else.
Your gonna get mixed answers no matter what you say.. be like nike.. Just do it! I think it will work out fine!
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quote:Originally posted by ibanender: Maybe I see questions important enough to be direct at the manufacturer, be direct TO the manufacturer? Such as, tech@brandnamehere.com. Posting on a forum asking a question or stroking your boner seems impersonal. Good support means direct attention, not a general response that just floats.
H-O-Alts-Rick has been a HUGE help to me this year, talking on the phone after hours and on weekends, and that really means a lot to me. He talked to me before I spent a dime, and I honestly havn't spent much money with them but I feel like I got the support of somebody who spent a million bucks. That is personal help. Posting and waiting for somebody to come back with something to me is no better than asking somebody else.
So if you want to go about things that way, then you'd still be free to do so.
There is no harm in having the separate section.
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quote:Originally posted by ibanender: Maybe I see questions important enough to be direct at the manufacturer, be direct TO the manufacturer? Such as, tech@brandnamehere.com. Posting on a forum asking a question or stroking your boner seems impersonal. Good support means direct attention, not a general response that just floats.
H-O-Alts-Rick has been a HUGE help to me this year, talking on the phone after hours and on weekends, and that really means a lot to me. He talked to me before I spent a dime, and I honestly havn't spent much money with them but I feel like I got the support of somebody who spent a million bucks. That is personal help. Posting and waiting for somebody to come back with something to me is no better than asking somebody else.
So if you want to go about things that way, then you'd still be free to do so.
There is no harm in having the separate section.
The difference is the free advertising that discriminates against those who dont give dB Drag money.
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I only see about 4 manufacturers that would come on here if it was done. Maxx, Kicker, IA, T3. There are not many companys that come here. Mainly because there is no Money for them in DB Drag. This will be my only post on here about this. Just what I think.
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