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Would any one be interested in seeing another Forum Title "Manufactures Forum"?
This would be an additional section on Termpro where manufactures could post information about new products, post test results, answer direct product or company related questions and post web site and tech/customer service support phone numbers.
If so, it shouldn't be a place where people can post product problems or expect on-line tech support (every manufacture has designated web sites and tech support lines for this) and just want to slam manufactures for every little problem thay have ever had with there specific prouct. Of course, there should never be any pricing mentioned except possibly MSRP which is always public info any way. This should also not be a place for manufactures to directly solicit or sell products direct. They can be directed to an authorised dealer for that info.
This could give you an opportunity to see whats new, what's available and get an insider perspective.
Good idea or bad?
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I thinks its a great idea John. Should be kinda fun actually
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manufacturer sections are the only thing i like about sounddomain. i personally think that this is a very good idea, and would be a good addition to the forums here. maybe each section could have a restricted area only accessible by that manufacturers team members.
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sounds like a great idea too me.i will be looking forward too it lets see how it goes
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quote:Originally posted by btnhfan: Only let the sponsors have the forums. Instead of any manufacturer.
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quote:Originally posted by dBSteve: my concern would be manufactures that dont support dB Drag Racing using this forum to benifit themselfs.
Manufactures have been doing this for years on this forum. I think that because these products are in competitors cars, they are in one manner, (and however indirectly) supporting the dB Drag Association. This idea is for the benefit of the competitors and not necisarily the financial gain of dB Drag Association.
I hope this will allow manufactures to provide accurate information which may even (as a bi-product)reduce the amount of useless arguing that some times happens by having 10 differant opinions on specific "out of the box" feature or power specifications.
Of course I would love to see more manufactures join dB Drag as a manufactures sponsorship but whether or not they are a member, there products still get talked about here.
However, if in the end that only supporting manufactures were allowed direct access to posting info on this section, that would be fine with me because Maxxsonics is a supporting manufacturer.
Any way, I proposed this idea to get differant views and if enough people showed interest, I would propose this directly to Wayne for his decision. I would respect his decision one way or the other.
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I could see advantages and disadvantages. Truth is a lot of the manufactures could care less about dBdrag itself these days...and focus alot more of the budget on demo cars / bass race oriented ground pounder vehicles.
Alot of people are shifting towards making products that you can beat on for hours on end without anything breaking. The marketability of "our stuff did xxx.x number" really isn't there anymore. I mean, since Scott did the 180.5 in (iasca outlaw i believe? correct me if i'm wrong) you dont see everybody running out to purchase pioneer amps and subs and kinetik batteries. Just a fact of diminishing marginal returns...why put tens of thousands of dollars in something that your going to generate 30,000 dollars in sales out of?
The marketability of hair tricks and making people go "Oh my" or "holy isht" when they sit in a vehicle that can litterally lay the windshield out of it at the drop of a hat with cheaper stock off the shelf products that they can afford for their own car is by far better from a marketability standpoint. If they can buy that very product that they heard in that bass race vehicle, they'll likely do it. Because it's affordable, and they remember what it sounded and felt like.
Most manufacture's have their own forums now, and things get handled there. I could see some advantages for having them here, but let's face the music head on. Most people who are here are already very established dBdraggers and have been around for years upon years. I honestly don't think you'd attract alot of attention by having manufacture forums here, as far as something that'd be worth the time and effort you would put in it...that would equal out to not a whole lot of return as far as sales are concerned. You may beable to nip the controversy in the bud, but that would be about the extent of it in my eyes.
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I agree, it is what it is in fact imo bass race will soon eclipse pure spl for the simple reason it is much easier for the average enthusiast / consumer to relate to a bass racer than a top secret spl vehicle.
SPL records seem to have a win on Sunday sell on Monday mind set which has it's merits but I believe the real money for companies is in the average consumer relating to products they actually get to experience via demos and then go home with a better understanding than just watching a huge number not taking anything away from that I enjoy watching spl as much as anyone but thats the way I see it.
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I think maybe some are missing the point and maybe I can make it more clear.
This has nothing to do with money or marketing.
I realize most manufactures have designated team sites (we do also) and the growth of Bass Race is tremendous.
My suggestions has nothing to do with dB Drag Racing, Bass Race or SQ competing specifically. It's a factory direct source of information.
It would provide a place for manufactures to let all of you know what's new (amps, speakers, subs..), what's being changed, what's being discontinued, what shows they will be attending, highlight cool new features and accessories, factual and in depth product features and power points.....
There will be no bragging of XXX SPL numbers, no boasting of hypothetical or exagurated power levels, no "mine is the best and heres why" BS.
It's just a place to let every one know what's going on in the manufactures world. It can also provide a location for manufactures looking to expand the team and what classes may be available for team sponsorship, how to get team sponsorship, contact information (customer service / tech support), warranty information...
It is not a place for manufactures to sell any thing and no prices will be posted.
Here is hypothetical example: XXX Car Amp Company just released there new Microne Series D-Class Strappable amplifiers with built in flux capacitor, impedance matching crutchlink power supply, platinum heat sink, solid gold binding posts and available in 3500, 5500 and 9000 watts. Available January 15th, 2006. Contact XXX Car Amp Company at (811) 222-9000 for a dealer near you.
Some may be interested that XXX Car Amp Company is introducing a new series amp.
Maybe it could go in the "General Announcements" section. There is "News And Announcements", "It could Only Happen to Me" and "Favorite CD's / Music" which a combined 50 posts a month.
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There really aren't that many 'new' members here that really care whats going on in the industry. If you were looking at something like that; then look into something that has more of a focus on the people who are really interested in the newer stuff and are just getting their feet wet into car audio and the industry you need to look at other places where the "kids" are more prone to go "wow" instead of around here where the motto is "how do i get it for free? or how do i get it for very cheap? or why whould i run your wonderfully fantabulous new product when this seems to be just as good?"...look into a site that has a ton of traffic something to the likes of caraudio.com
I understand it's not the most optimal forum/website/community, but if you want alot of people to see what is to come in the industry you have to put it where a lot will see it and will be more likely to respond to the information that you release. Here your going to get a response to the tune of "Cool, how much?" [add reply] and never to be seen again. Too many are set in their ways, regardless of what technology is to come on the horizon .
I think it is a good idea, I don't think you are going to see what you would want to see out of it though.
Case in point...we mentioned a new series of woofer on our forum last week and within 2 days it was on every single forum that i visit, people asking questions about it...
Here is your #1 problem. This is DBDRAG forum...1st
Which means....the majority of the population here are VULTURES And will want to know its absolute potential and then how much... If you cannot or will not provide that...you won't get very far.
You want to focus your time on money making ... Nick is right again....... Show yourself to the new folks...not the old ones. DBDRAG is not the place for that..
Incorporate a part of the maxxsonics website into a constantly updated forum that only you can post on...maybe some other choice members of your crew...to show constant progress of whatever and updates of projects and news letters...where who will be...blah blah blah... then get some forum full of new guys to let you have a host forum in their site...they'll welcome you with open arms and you'll be their new hard on for like a year...and all the jibber jabber that is spoken can be responded by you with a link to the proper spot to answer the question on your maxxsonics forum that is READ ONLY to the outsiders....and that will keep the workload on you easy...and keep the mumbojumbo down to a minimum.
Nick is 100% right..... Your sites are set in the wrong direction.
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The reason I would suggest that this forum would be best is because in general, the professionals are here.
Other consumer based forums (caraudio.com) would just turn every post into a pissing match and every DIY knuckle head would be saying "my amp broke, what do I do". "You suck, my subwoofer is not loud enough" type crud.
We would not be addressing new members as much as every one here that competes and wants to know what's new.
I see new posts all the time where some one asks about the power or impedance of a product and gets 10 differant answers and 20 differant application specific opinions.
A manufacture would provide the off the shelf power ratings and specifications. Example: The XXVGoliath provides 5000 watts RMS at 1-Ohm / 13.8 volts and 7250 watts RMS at 1-Ohm / 17.5 volts. The .5, .25-Ohm, single or multi-battery, multi-sub specific information will come from those that actually put them in cars and provided their own reading and results.
Some one may say "wow, I just strapped 2 Goliath's together with these --- subs and did a 164.3 at Carls Car Audio 2X last weekend".
Of course the competitors will try differant impedances, reactive loads, differant voltages and tuning frequencies and are welcome to post results in regard to there experience with the product in topic.
I think the manufacture should only post relative specs in accordance to the design and lab testing such as THD & N, Channel Seperation, Damping Factors, X-Over Range, Frequency Response, RMS Power at 4, 2 & 1-Ohm loads... I don't think the manufactures should get directly involved in specific vehicle conditions and claimed super duper theoretical SPL numbers. Just the facts and nothing but the facts.
We all know that everyones test results will vary and we should not attempt to provide information based on a million differant applications.
If some one is not interested in what a manufacture has to offer, no problem..just don't open that section of the forum.
I personally feel that most people would be interested in new products and detailed product specific information.
I also think that people would like to know about the new T3 12,000 watt linkable amp coming out next week (j/k John D...by the way, that freaked me out at first) But my point is just that.... There is always new stuff coming and it's nice to know about when it's real and not heard through the grape vine.
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Obviously there are atleast 2 people who would not be interested in knowing about new products and your point is made, under stood and appreciated. I also understand this is a "dB Drag Forum #1". That is why manufactures make SPL products and would want to tell you about them.
Fortunately this is not a 2 vote process and if there are other opinions, I would like to know.
I would not make this suggestion if I thought other manufacturers would not be intersted. This is not about Maxxsonics, it's about SPL related products and it's just a suggestion to fill a need I thought may be interesting to dB Drag forum members.
I figured that since there are more posts in "Off Topic" then SPL related issues lately, some one might want this.
If you are interested, say yes and if you are not interested, say no.
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