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hey folks. im looking at buying an 87 nissan hardbody. (regualr cab, shortbed) for an unreal price.
its gonna take a LOT of work to make this thing look and sound nice..
but i have a few questions about it, before i make the jump.
naturally i would like to make this a comp vehicle just as my regal is. however, there is no extended cab.
so, is it safe to assume that the speaker box can and will be in the bed somewhere. i assume then, that there would be a cut through into the cab?
if so, then how is it handled by rules? ie: does it need to be a wall, and have the rear window removed for the cut through. or, does the box have to be below the top rail of the bed or below the window line and have the cut through at the bottom, behind the seats?
assuming 2 12's what class would the truck be placed into? would it be ss 1-2 or ss-12 nw, or would it still be able to be in street b? or is street b out of the question due to the cut through?
can the truck have a solid cap on the bed? and if so, i assume all other equipment can be placed in the bed? treating it much like a trunk for a car?
are there any other special rules that i am not finding?
or, would i be forced into going into monster or extreme class due to the mods that would be done to the truck for the cut through and whatnot.
i refuse to let an orginization dictate what i drive or how my car is setup, but i would like to try and stay within the rules, so that i can compete in a sensible class.
ie: this WILL be a daily driver, and will be setup as such, door pods, etc... but im not going to rip out the interior and build a custom dash out of mdf and bullet proof glass etc...
its only going to have 2 12's and roughly 3k power.
sorry for so many questions, i jsut would like to know what i'd be getting into before i buy it, and start building. otherwise ill jsut continue to put my efforts into the regal.
thanks
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i am planning to have a hard solid top (no windows) over the bed. so everything will certainly be covered.
might be a stupid question, but i'll pose it anyway....
if there is a solid top over the bed.. does that mean box AND equipment still need to be below the side rails?
or can it then be above the side rails since there is a roof? or does that move it into ss 1-2 and out of nowall?
btw: thanks steve.. you should consider getting some sleep sometime
oh, what about something else... say your answer is yes to the above questions (and i think they will be)... what about other "things" in the back.
say, what if i wanted to put seats in the back, they naturally would be above the side rails. but, would not be audio equipment.
im sorry if some of these might be dumb questions, but ive never owned a truck, or anything without a trunk, and i jsut dont want to dump loads of cash, to discover i wasted it.
this will be a show truck, and honestly i dont care if i get moved into a class i cant win.. but i just dont want to show up to a class hitting 140's while everyone else is hitting 160's
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below the rails. - ss 1-2 no wall. above the rails. - ss 1-2 (wall)
i'm ok with that. i just dont want to accidentaly get myself thrown into extreme
thanks again!
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Should we look at this bed cutting rule a little bit? I have two customers that have a cut bed and frame rails mostly so there truck can sit frame. but infront of that is stock. with a speaker box and subs. kind of silly to push them into a wall class..
is that only in regards to bed being cut, for the sake of the equipment?
ie: what if the bed were cut, so the truck can be slammed? ie: the wheel wells being cut out.
does that dq the truck and move it to another class again?
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you cannot cut out the floor of the truck other wise the vans better look out
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you can't cut the bed floor or frame, box and equipment can't be above the side rails of the bed.
equipment must be covered for saftey. A commercial cover is recommended.
What if the box is sealed off from the bed, and all equipment and box is right at or above the original bed floor and still below the side rails of the bed?
In some cases some people would be loosing volume due to cut fenderwells/beds.
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No floor cuts at all for any vehicle in NW.
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seriously, a vehicle would get bumped from NW for having the top edge of the wheelwells cut out for tire clearence? you've got to be kidding. what does that have to do with the audio system? lemme think, nothing?
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Official rulings will be up to the head judge at the show you attend. In my opinion, at local shows you should be fine with a bed cut that does not increase the area in the bed for the enclosure/stereo equipment, provided that you can demonstrate the original location of the sheetmetal.
At a 3X show or at finals, again, it will be up to the head judge. The INTENT of the rule is to not allow a vehicle to cut the floor to gain more room for box/equipment/etc (such as what has been done in the past in Vans and Pickups). However to enforce the INTENT, one has to enforce the rule to a "T".
Maybe (should be in the rules forum) it could be worded this way:
The floor/bed floor of a vehicle may not be modified in the no wall division, except if:
--the modification is completely sealed and separate from the passenger (measurement) compartment
--all equipment must be located within the original factory sheetmetal -- ie the modification does not increase the usable area for stereo equipment/enclosure/etc.
This would allow room for those who have dropped suspensions, but should not open up any loopholes for exploitation by other competitiors.
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quote:Originally posted by thunder-N-light: seriously, a vehicle would get bumped from NW for having the top edge of the wheelwells cut out for tire clearence? you've got to be kidding. what does that have to do with the audio system? lemme think, nothing?
So you saying cars should be able to break the rules and not get bumped? Yeah, nice
There was a thread before about cutting wheel wells in NW.
Its not allowed, no cutting.
Its in the rules, simple.
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maybe you have no clue what i'm talking about. I'm finished competing so it doesnt matter to me personally, but i'll use my truck as an example. i have airbag susension, and to fit 20" wheels under the back i have to cut out the top of the fenderwells in the bed. lets say i have a box in the bed going back to the wheelwells, but very obviously having the top of the wheelwells cut out does nothing to effect this to the positive or negative. sure, if someone hacks the wheelwells out to fit more space for the box, i get that. but for tire clearence? gee, i'm sorry for not driving a bucket CRX like everyone else.
-------------------- Luke Fidler Posts: 1930 | From: state college, pa | Registered: Sep 1999
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I totally understand what you mean, you said it was for lowering.
Youve also said your done competing, so why complain?
And Im no CRX fan myself, even if the ones over here arent "cheater" cars
quote:Originally posted by dBSteve: if you didn't cut the bed for the Audio Equipment, then I don't have a problem with that.
Sorry Steve, but the rules say no cuts.
Youve just said he can.
This is a joke, rules are rules.
Bending/intent/your opinion whatever you or any other judge wants to call it, its wrong.
We have rules, printed in black and white and youve just told someone they can ignore that bit, it doesnt matter.
Right, nice
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quote:6-9i A Special Note on the Super Street 1-2 No Wall Class:
· Floor cut-throughs are not permitted.
This is the dB Drag Rule. This rule tell you what you can and can not do when it comes to the Auto Sound Installation.
This rule is the "Arts Sound Chamber" rule. This rule prevents competitors from modifying their floors or frames to allow for larger boxes.
I believe this rule was also intended to make this class easier to move up into from Street Max. With this intent, competitors wont feel obligated to make the modifications as Super Street in order to compete.
If a competitors wants to customize his or her vehicle by modifing the wheel wells then thats their own busines.
If the modification made doesn't effect the installation of the sound system, then thats none of my business.
dB Drag Racing doesn't need to dictate what someone can or can not do when it comes to their vehicle. We as an organization can only set rules and regulations on how the installation qualifies for each class.
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