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and so "accurate" ? i mean is there a scale to judge it by? there was a comment made dunno how true it was, but made me wonder... i would think that a constant "checking of the # ur doing would be better then a peak every 3 seconds and avg it?
and i guess thats why at comps i've heard people/judges say, "HOLD THE BURP LONGER".
maybe im stuooopid or his statement was wrong lol but that would make me think
quote:Originally posted by JordyO: There is really no solid number you can put as the difference for the two.
They measure diferently so the difference in score will be different from install to install.
The major differences being that the TL takes an average of your 3 highest freq's over a period of 3 seconds. The AC 190 takes your 1 highest freq and measures it instantly.
Most people see a difference between 1.5 and 2.5. Yours could be higher, could be lower. But generally in that range.
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Consistency. At the 3X'er in Dliion in sept, I put my sensor in Alan Dante's car. HE put his next to mine, basically, they were side by side. We set the display to show .01 instead of .1 (early morning here). He burped his car and it showed 171.45 on my sensor and 171.46 on his.
My sensor is 5 months old, his is over a year, with alot more abuse.
The sensors have come a long way over the years...
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1. ease of use 2. very consistanr (compared to a few years ago) 3. more value (cheaper) 4. the numeric data feature. 5. the new industry standard, before everything was compared to the b&k, now everything is compared to the termlab
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when you go to the comps, youre like "hey who's the loudest" it's not about an average of 3 points in time- it's about where'd you peak at 1 point in time, wherever that may have been. or at least, it should be, but it isn't because why? i dunno.
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quote:Originally posted by jarfunkz: how about it's price?
im not tryin to fight with anyone so please dont get me wrong i like the TL, but its makin me thing.. ur sayin u rather have a cheaper costing mic, then a mic that in my opinion is more accurate at the ACTUAL number ur doing, rather then averaging 3 numbers, what if u for some reason burp the right amount of time, and it only has 2 numbers to avgerage? does that matter?
i would really like to know how much truth is behind what started the disscusions of the mic, but no one is saying anything in the "termlab section"
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It dosent take a Peak it takes a 3second average. So yes holding it a little longer might help your score.
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yes i understand that, but holding a burp longer will also hurt ur score, since ur batteries are being drained, and possible voltage loss... :/ how does it help if u look at it like that?
quote:Originally posted by boommerextreme: It dosent take a Peak it takes a 3second average. So yes holding it a little longer might help your score.
hmmm, so u'd rather not have a straight up PEAK SPL # ur doing? :/ thats odd
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Didnt say that Im just saying that is how it works. I like it the way it is.
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quote:Originally posted by jarfunkz: how about it's price?
im not tryin to fight with anyone so please dont get me wrong i like the TL, but its makin me thing.. ur sayin u rather have a cheaper costing mic, then a mic that in my opinion is more accurate at the ACTUAL number ur doing, rather then averaging 3 numbers, what if u for some reason burp the right amount of time, and it only has 2 numbers to avgerage? does that matter?
i would really like to know how much truth is behind what started the disscusions of the mic, but no one is saying anything in the "termlab section"
i am saying, have a more affordable and better sensor is great. Not only that look at the impact it has had on spl. being able to have an affordable mic that will read just like they do at a show has increased scores over 10db in the past 2 1/2 years.
as for the actual number you are doing, it is extremely relative. you can not have ANY type of resolution discussing about what spl measuring the device is the most accurate, because no one knows. what you fail to realize is that nothing is proven in science, it is only disproven, only the best explanation or universally accepted laws are the background. 500 years ago, the earth was flat. someone says the earth is round, sure looks round from space, but who knows; this might be like an impessionism painting from a distance(if i remember correctly). so unless you can scrounge up the document mr bell wrote on for this decibel reference we are limited by only our ignorant opinions.
i can tell you that usaci has switched from AC to TL, although keeping the B&K. Meca has switched from Linear X to TL. AC has come up with a new sensor more formidable to the new TL.
so yes, TL right now is the king of the block. 2 orgs outside of dbdrag and even a company have taken notice.
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further more on the impact, look at how little people are arguing about their scores at shows. sometimes you had sides that were 2db higher than the other side and you got the short end of the stick.
quote:Originally posted by jarfunkz: how about it's price?
im not tryin to fight with anyone so please dont get me wrong i like the TL, but its makin me thing.. ur sayin u rather have a cheaper costing mic, then a mic that in my opinion is more accurate at the ACTUAL number ur doing, rather then averaging 3 numbers, what if u for some reason burp the right amount of time, and it only has 2 numbers to avgerage? does that matter?
i would really like to know how much truth is behind what started the disscusions of the mic, but no one is saying anything in the "termlab section"
i am saying, have a more affordable and better sensor is great. Not only that look at the impact it has had on spl. being able to have an affordable mic that will read just like they do at a show has increased scores over 10db in the past 2 1/2 years.
as for the actual number you are doing, it is extremely relative. you can not have ANY type of resolution discussing about what spl measuring the device is the most accurate, because no one knows. what you fail to realize is that nothing is proven in science, it is only disproven, only the best explanation or universally accepted laws are the background. 500 years ago, the earth was flat. someone says the earth is round, sure looks round from space, but who knows; this might be like an impessionism painting from a distance(if i remember correctly). so unless you can scrounge up the document mr bell wrote on for this decibel reference we are limited by only our ignorant opinions.
i can tell you that usaci has switched from AC to TL, although keeping the B&K. Meca has switched from Linear X to TL. AC has come up with a new sensor more formidable to the new TL.
so yes, TL right now is the king of the block. 2 orgs outside of dbdrag and even a company have taken notice.
i see ur point. it is cheaper and durable, and we dont know EXSACLTY what the precise number is, but in math, taking a average is not close to a "Actual" number.. thats why its a average. no?
quote:Originally posted by jarfunkz: further more on the impact, look at how little people are arguing about their scores at shows. sometimes you had sides that were 2db higher than the other side and you got the short end of the stick.
i should get paid for this ****
weird how u also get people who get a consistant number from one mic, and on the mic they own, but when they go to a show on a diff day, same mic's its a diff number, when they say nothing has changed. i've heard lots of people complain how the mic didnt read that the last time (and yes i know the weather does effect ur system and what not)
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Analogy: playing one game in a season and winning and then bragging that you're the best=AudioControl
PLaying the entire season and basing your achievements on your total win/loss column=TermLab
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quote:Originally posted by jarfunkz: how about it's price?
im not tryin to fight with anyone so please dont get me wrong i like the TL, but its makin me thing.. ur sayin u rather have a cheaper costing mic, then a mic that in my opinion is more accurate at the ACTUAL number ur doing, rather then averaging 3 numbers, what if u for some reason burp the right amount of time, and it only has 2 numbers to avgerage? does that matter?
i would really like to know how much truth is behind what started the disscusions of the mic, but no one is saying anything in the "termlab section"
i am saying, have a more affordable and better sensor is great. Not only that look at the impact it has had on spl. being able to have an affordable mic that will read just like they do at a show has increased scores over 10db in the past 2 1/2 years.
as for the actual number you are doing, it is extremely relative. you can not have ANY type of resolution discussing about what spl measuring the device is the most accurate, because no one knows. what you fail to realize is that nothing is proven in science, it is only disproven, only the best explanation or universally accepted laws are the background. 500 years ago, the earth was flat. someone says the earth is round, sure looks round from space, but who knows; this might be like an impessionism painting from a distance(if i remember correctly). so unless you can scrounge up the document mr bell wrote on for this decibel reference we are limited by only our ignorant opinions.
i can tell you that usaci has switched from AC to TL, although keeping the B&K. Meca has switched from Linear X to TL. AC has come up with a new sensor more formidable to the new TL.
so yes, TL right now is the king of the block. 2 orgs outside of dbdrag and even a company have taken notice.
i see ur point. it is cheaper and durable, and we dont know EXSACLTY what the precise number is, but in math, taking a average is not close to a "Actual" number.. thats why its a average. no?
my question to you is why should we have to worry about it? it is extremely close to being universal. whether the show is done in finland, or japan, or cleveland ohio. we know who is ACTUALLY on top. instead of having the age old debates, oh those mics were high. some of us remember those days.
i can't say that about any other sensor, look at the iasca scores with the spl 190 vs the spl 190 throughout the year at other competitions... look at how the b&k reacts to heat and to cold. i think it is more important to go by what is setting the standard and taking spl competition to heights unimaginable 10 years ago.
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i dunno, maybe im wording what i want to say wrong, and i do realize there are factors in the change in spl with ur system, even tho u havent changed the gains, box placement, etc...
i just look at it like this, say ur rolling the knob, for 3 seconds, the first second u hit 140. and inbetween the 1st and 2nd and 3rd second u turn it up more quickly, that would effect the AVERAGE, no? and say that in the 2nd second that it takes a number it was a 148, and on the 3rd second it takes the number and it was 149.5... 149.5 is ur highest, and im sure what more people would want, no? but thats not what ur going to see, ur going to read what a 146 maybe? :/ personally i dont think thats cool
or dont know if its possible, but say - 1st second=140, 2nd=144 (because u moved ur volume knob faster to a higher number), and 3rd second for some reason something happens to ur voltage, or subs, and it reads 138...thats goin to be 4db lower they what ur doing *even by TL standards its lower then what it should be*
so i guess my problem is not hte mic itself, but that how it gets the final #
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quote:Originally posted by jarfunkz: how about it's price?
im not tryin to fight with anyone so please dont get me wrong i like the TL, but its makin me thing.. ur sayin u rather have a cheaper costing mic, then a mic that in my opinion is more accurate at the ACTUAL number ur doing, rather then averaging 3 numbers, what if u for some reason burp the right amount of time, and it only has 2 numbers to avgerage? does that matter?
i would really like to know how much truth is behind what started the disscusions of the mic, but no one is saying anything in the "termlab section"
i am saying, have a more affordable and better sensor is great. Not only that look at the impact it has had on spl. being able to have an affordable mic that will read just like they do at a show has increased scores over 10db in the past 2 1/2 years.
as for the actual number you are doing, it is extremely relative. you can not have ANY type of resolution discussing about what spl measuring the device is the most accurate, because no one knows. what you fail to realize is that nothing is proven in science, it is only disproven, only the best explanation or universally accepted laws are the background. 500 years ago, the earth was flat. someone says the earth is round, sure looks round from space, but who knows; this might be like an impessionism painting from a distance(if i remember correctly). so unless you can scrounge up the document mr bell wrote on for this decibel reference we are limited by only our ignorant opinions.
i can tell you that usaci has switched from AC to TL, although keeping the B&K. Meca has switched from Linear X to TL. AC has come up with a new sensor more formidable to the new TL.
so yes, TL right now is the king of the block. 2 orgs outside of dbdrag and even a company have taken notice.
i see ur point. it is cheaper and durable, and we dont know EXSACLTY what the precise number is, but in math, taking a average is not close to a "Actual" number.. thats why its a average. no?
my question to you is why should we have to worry about it? it is extremely close to being universal. whether the show is done in finland, or japan, or cleveland ohio. we know who is ACTUALLY on top. instead of having the age old debates, oh those mics were high. some of us remember those days.
i can't say that about any other sensor, look at the iasca scores with the spl 190 vs the spl 190 throughout the year at other competitions... look at how the b&k reacts to heat and to cold. i think it is more important to go by what is setting the standard and taking spl competition to heights unimaginable 10 years ago.
i agree with this statement, it is a world wide standard just about, like bill gates and microsoft :l
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there is a reason why nascar drivers don't run their races in reverse... maybe this person who is doing a 140 then a 48 and a 49.5 should take a little more time testing and designing his system to cater to the termlab. i am sure i will hear an argument for the new people, well new people will probably be happy to just be at the competition. let the world competitors worry about catering their vehicles to the tl. the real question is, are you satisfied with your system and your score?
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My score never changed from Alabama to Flordia to Nashville, Didnt matter. I tested at 90degree here before I left and at Nashville were it was much much cooler not 1 tenth up or down.
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