quote:Originally posted by boommerextreme: I also noticed that the would shake hands and hug the oversea guyes and thought that wasnt right.
Well does it realy mather? When Europeans go outside their own counties they unite...
Claes Nord who are from Sweden but now lives in Germany and works for Rockford Fosgate, he cheered when we and the Danish guy´s were in the lanes at Euro Finals just because we all are Nordic/Skandinavian... And so did the guys from Team Loud and the guys from Soundpressure.com....
The guys from Soundpressure.com even took care of our trophy when we had to leave before the competition was over, one of our opponents in Sweden is sponsored by Soundpressure...
But when "we" go outside our country/ies we all team up..
quote:Originally posted by boommerextreme: Also did we sent over 10 or 12 or however many american judges over seas to there "World Finals" If not is there a problem here that thay can come over and tear our stuff apart and we cant do the same?? I dont know if we did or not just asking. Im not saying that they are cheatting just wonder if they are that Strict on there side.
At European finals the only judge from outside Europe was Ray (?) from Canada(?).
And YES they were strict, our car had been judged to be okey at two 3 pointers but they found it illegal so we had to change it (didn´t affect our score at all)... One car was Dq:ed in the lanes, and so on.....
I was at the Sinsheim show and these judges were there also. They were very strick and consistent. Some of the cars were put into the monster division. Competitors also had the opportunity to make changes before the event started if they wished. One guy did make the changes and was bitching about it all day - but he won his division.
Anyone who makes it to finals should be aware of the rules and the products being used. Just because a judge lets something slip by during the year is no reason for we competitors to expect rule infringements to continue. It's up to us to make changes and become a class act. You all should know what you are using when you get that product. If not, whose fault is that?
The judges were strict and followed the rules. As for hugging and hand shaking ..We all do the same thing with the people we know. This is just human nature. We all react to people who are friends, team mates, or speak our language.
I have met our judges several times and know they all worked their butts off to keep this show as fair as possible.
These are just my own personal opinions, just as all the posts are your personal opinions.
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quote:Originally posted by boommerextreme: I also noticed that the would shake hands and hug the oversea guyes and thought that wasnt right.
Well does it realy mather? When Europeans go outside their own counties they unite...
Claes Nord who are from Sweden but now lives in Germany and works for Rockford Fosgate, he cheered when we and the Danish guy´s were in the lanes at Euro Finals just because we all are Nordic/Skandinavian... And so did the guys from Team Loud and the guys from Soundpressure.com....
The guys from Soundpressure.com even took care of our trophy when we had to leave before the competition was over, one of our opponents in Sweden is sponsored by Soundpressure...
But when "we" go outside our country/ies we all team up..
quote:Originally posted by boommerextreme: Also did we sent over 10 or 12 or however many american judges over seas to there "World Finals" If not is there a problem here that thay can come over and tear our stuff apart and we cant do the same?? I dont know if we did or not just asking. Im not saying that they are cheatting just wonder if they are that Strict on there side.
At European finals the only judge from outside Europe was Ray (?) from Canada(?).
And YES they were strict, our car had been judged to be okey at two 3 pointers but they found it illegal so we had to change it (didn´t affect our score at all)... One car was Dq:ed in the lanes, and so on.....
I was at the Sinsheim show and these judges were there also. They were very strick and consistent. Some of the cars were put into the monster division. Competitors also had the opportunity to make changes before the event started if they wished. One guy did make the changes and was bitching about it all day - but he won his division.
Anyone who makes it to finals should be aware of the rules and the products being used. Just because a judge lets something slip by during the year is no reason for we competitors to expect rule infringements to continue. It's up to us to make changes and become a class act. You all should know what you are using when you get that product. If not, whose fault is that?
The judges were strict and followed the rules. As for hugging and hand shaking ..We all do the same thing with the people we know. This is just human nature. We all react to people who are friends, team mates, or speak our language.
I have met our judges several times and know they all worked their butts off to keep this show as fair as possible.
These are just my own personal opinions, just as all the posts are your personal opinions.
-To me it seems that the week of the World Finals should not be the time to CHANGE rules or rulings.
Finals should be the time to come together AFTER the rules and rulings have been FINISHED, and the competitors and systems who have ALREADY been judged and have earned their invitation to go head to head, may now do so as-is.
At Finals the season of competing, points collecting, and judging is OVER, double and triple point events have already transpired with the opportunity for both the Db Drag Racing staff of Judges and fellow competitors to either make rulings or catch potential rule infractions, and if something is not found to be an infraction PRIOR to the offer of an invitation to the World Finals, it should be considered legal as allowed by the full season's worth of chances to rule against it, and NOT after someone has been told that they have successfully earned the 'legal' right to compete at the Worlds finals 'as-is'.
World Finals judging should be kept to the level of simply making sure all is as it was when the invite was tendered, with regard to the rules and rulings (equipment rulings included) which were already found acceptable at the time of the cutoff date.
The 'cutoff-date' should be just that, a cutoff date for rule changes and equipment rulings as well as competitor points.
-Of course this wouldn't mean you couldn't redo your enclosure design for Finals, but all equipment found acceptable at the time of the cutoff date should remain that way until Finals is over and a new season's rules make changes to that.
A World Finals invitation says, "You (your system) have been judged and found worthy, come as you are", not, "Wait, at the last minute, and after an entire season of competing, we have just realized that we screwed up on our judging all season and now that you are here you have to go away, or redo your whole system".
It seems only fair to the competitors that it should be the responsibility of the Db Drag Racing staff of Judges to FINISH all rulings prior to the cutoff date, and all World Finals invitees should be able to TRUST in that sesason's worth of rulings as a gospel, "Done-Deal!".
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as far as the Collosus amps go, they had ALL YEAR to classify it as 2 amps and it wasn't enforced until finals? Please, what about all the triple pointers that records were set at? Shouldn't this ruling affect the whole season and void all records that were set with this amp? Of course not, and that's why it should have been allowed. If they didn't want it there, they should have made it clear sooner. There should be a clause somewhere that states unless such and such is stated without x amount of notice then the rule is not effective. If they had ruled on this a month ago the competitors would have had more time to get different amps and people wouldn't have been pissed off. A grace period is definitely needed because as you can see this random ruling just doesn't work.
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I keep hearing about all the records set with the Collossus amps. I can only think of one in Street. What are all the other ones people keep speaking about?
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quote:Originally posted by BIG YUKON T: I keep hearing about all the records set with the Collossus amps. I can only think of one in Street. What are all the other ones people keep speaking about?
Street Max 3-4
Eric
P.S. Along with the fact that the amp was used by several people in B and A at Several Triples, Skaritka, and many others included.
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3-8a Modifications to the passenger compartment are prohibited.
Additional Guidelines:
· The OEM headliner (or an equivalent replacement) must remain in place.
· The OEM door panels (or an equivalent replacement) must remain in place.
· The OEM carpeting (or an equivalent replacement) must remain in place.
· Cut-throughs in pickup trucks are not permitted.
· Sound damping materials may be used to reduce vibration when installed in accordance with the manufacturer’s recommended installation instructions. The maximum total thickness of sound damping material applied at a given point may not exceed 5/32 inch (4mm). The sound damping application may consist of mat-type material, spray-on material, or a combination of the two. A maximum of 2 layers of mat-type material may be used in any application, even if the total thickness of the sound damping material(s) is less than 5/32 inch (4mm).
· Expanding foam may be used sparingly throughout the vehicle to seal small openings or reduce vibration, but may not be used to fill voids or other large cavities (such as the dashboard or doors).
Next year everyone needs 4mm of resin and hardener SPRAYED over all their doors and their roof skin. That rule does not say you can POUR on any type of dampener and only limits it to SPRAY ON or MAT-TYPE that's it. This was really all about making the trip worth while to the euro guys. "Lets not mention those amps until the last minute. Then a lot of people will have to drop out of their scores will be much lower giving OUR guys a better chance!" That may not be a direct quote but I bet it was a direct thought!
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I use the Rockford/Lightning spray on Dead Skin. It hardens and works very well. Look into that.
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What about the people who earned their invites to finals at a triple pointer using these amps? Technically they shouldn't have been invited anyway, and since they were, they should have been allowed to use them.
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I posted somewhere else, but i will say it again here.
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quote:Originally posted by Q: Finals should be the time to come together AFTER the rules and rulings have been FINISHED, and the competitors and systems who have ALREADY been judged and have earned their invitation to go head to head, may now do so as-is.
So you didnt see all the threads on here about people changing their installs??
Are you saying they shouldnt be judged?
Sorry but thats crap, everyone should be judged and to the same standard.
Unfortunately youve been badly/weakly judged all year, you get some strict judges and you moan like feck.
Rules are rules, they are/were being bent, you got caught.
Learn to read.
Ben
ps. that would be the exact answer 99% of you yanks would give if any euro competitor moaned. Now you know how we feel
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u can not use resin and hardner as soundproofing because it is not designed or marketed as sound deading as for ur bloody amp issue , they are not used in europe probably because most people saw them as 2 amps
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quote: 3-8a Modifications to the passenger compartment are prohibited.
Additional Guidelines:
· The OEM headliner (or an equivalent replacement) must remain in place.
· The OEM door panels (or an equivalent replacement) must remain in place.
· The OEM carpeting (or an equivalent replacement) must remain in place.
· Cut-throughs in pickup trucks are not permitted.
· Sound damping materials may be used to reduce vibration when installed in accordance with the manufacturer’s recommended installation instructions. The maximum total thickness of sound damping material applied at a given point may not exceed 5/32 inch (4mm). The sound damping application may consist of mat-type material, spray-on material, or a combination of the two. A maximum of 2 layers of mat-type material may be used in any application, even if the total thickness of the sound damping material(s) is less than 5/32 inch (4mm).
· Expanding foam may be used sparingly throughout the vehicle to seal small openings or reduce vibration, but may not be used to fill voids or other large cavities (such as the dashboard or doors).
Next year everyone needs 4mm of resin and hardener SPRAYED over all their doors and their roof skin. That rule does not say you can POUR on any type of dampener and only limits it to SPRAY ON or MAT-TYPE that's it. This was really all about making the trip worth while to the euro guys. "Lets not mention those amps until the last minute. Then a lot of people will have to drop out of their scores will be much lower giving OUR guys a better chance!" That may not be a direct quote but I bet it was a direct thought!
The sound dampening MBS is using is the same as in the street B sound Team Painers car. It's caled "Magic Mate 400". I've seen it irl, it's just a rubbertype of mat (very flexibel), but after you sticked it to the metal and you heath it, it becomes hard as a rock.
Here is a link: www.2loud4you.com ->online shop->Accesories->2loud4you comp prod
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Not positive on this but wasn't the Gen XX the first Colosus to use two seperate boards. If so, why would anyone think to check. Also, I can remember posts in the rule section for the past month with people begging judges to make rulings about amps with no responce.
quote:Originally posted by Broken Silence CC - Johnny:
quote:Originally posted by Hakeeb: i think it is great the rules were inforced. Every year people complain that rules were not inforced, now people are complaining that rules were inforced. There is just no making you happy. The one thing that kinda sucks is the amp thing(but anyone could have called to see if the amp had 2 boards in it) if i was going to buy a $1500 amp i would be sure it was legal before i bought it.
Why would anyone even think to ask that question? When you use an amp all year long, and no one says anything, then you just continue to use it and not even think about it. I'm not going to argue about how many boards it has, or how many amps it is, I'm just gonna say this. I have no problem with rules being enforced, but enforce them all year, or not at all.
I know if i was going ot spend $1500 on an amp i would find out EVERYTHING i could about that amp before i got it. I would be calling the company everyday with different ???'s. But that is only cause $1500 is ALOT of money to me.
quote:Originally posted by Broken Silence CC - Johnny:
quote:Originally posted by Hakeeb: i think it is great the rules were inforced. Every year people complain that rules were not inforced, now people are complaining that rules were inforced. There is just no making you happy. The one thing that kinda sucks is the amp thing(but anyone could have called to see if the amp had 2 boards in it) if i was going to buy a $1500 amp i would be sure it was legal before i bought it.
Why would anyone even think to ask that question? When you use an amp all year long, and no one says anything, then you just continue to use it and not even think about it. I'm not going to argue about how many boards it has, or how many amps it is, I'm just gonna say this. I have no problem with rules being enforced, but enforce them all year, or not at all.
I know if i was going ot spend $1500 on an amp i would find out EVERYTHING i could about that amp before i got it. I would be calling the company everyday with different ???'s. But that is only cause $1500 is ALOT of money to me.
I do Agree that it is wrong to enforce this just for finals. There have been many posts asking about this amp, with no reply.
quote:Originally posted by Fangio: The sound dampening MBS is using is the same as in the street B sound Team Painers car. It's caled "Magic Mate 400". I've seen it irl, it's just a rubbertype of mat (very flexibel), but after you sticked it to the metal and you heath it, it becomes hard as a rock.
Here is a link: www.2loud4you.com ->online shop->Accesories->2loud4you comp prod
I can't read whatever that language is but does it have instructions for the "heating" process on the package? Oh well! I will be marketing pool concret...errr um...sound deadener under the name of Team Neam Tyson SUPER sound deadener next year. Anyone that wants some just hit me up!
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quote:Originally posted by Q: Finals should be the time to come together AFTER the rules and rulings have been FINISHED, and the competitors and systems who have ALREADY been judged and have earned their invitation to go head to head, may now do so as-is.
So you didnt see all the threads on here about people changing their installs??
Are you saying they shouldnt be judged?
Sorry but thats crap, everyone should be judged and to the same standard.
Unfortunately youve been badly/weakly judged all year, you get some strict judges and you moan like feck.
Rules are rules, they are/were being bent, you got caught.
Learn to read.
Ben
ps. that would be the exact answer 99% of you yanks would give if any euro competitor moaned. Now you know how we feel
Huh??? I haven't competed since '01. I'm just part of the 'Peanut Gallery'. What I wrote should apply to everyone, here and across the pond as well.
quote:Originally posted by Q: ...Of course this wouldn't mean you couldn't redo your enclosure design for Finals, but all equipment found acceptable at the time of the cutoff date should remain that way until Finals is over and a new season's rules make changes to that.
Learn to read.
Scott
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quote:Originally posted by Fangio: The sound dampening MBS is using is the same as in the street B sound Team Painers car. It's caled "Magic Mate 400". I've seen it irl, it's just a rubbertype of mat (very flexibel), but after you sticked it to the metal and you heath it, it becomes hard as a rock.
Here is a link: www.2loud4you.com ->online shop->Accesories->2loud4you comp prod
I can't read whatever that language is but does it have instructions for t
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