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just wanted to see what everyone is thinking about the way finals went this season,are there actually anyone happy about the things that went on,i know there are some people that are probally real mad,
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All i can say is i'm glad i'm not apart of dbdrag and will not be due to the bs i've seen...USACI is becoming the same way...
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Its never nice when people get DQd but rules are rules.
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rules were enforced, i respect that. some of these rules reguarding the amp situation should have been brought up awhile before finals, and not at finals. also i think people should have known that world finals will have enforced rules(this has not been the case for many of the past finals). atleast give the competitors an idea of what to inspect.
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i think it is great the rules were inforced. Every year people complain that rules were not inforced, now people are complaining that rules were inforced. There is just no making you happy. The one thing that kinda sucks is the amp thing(but anyone could have called to see if the amp had 2 boards in it) if i was going to buy a $1500 amp i would be sure it was legal before i bought it.
quote:Originally posted by Hakeeb: i think it is great the rules were inforced. Every year people complain that rules were not inforced, now people are complaining that rules were inforced. There is just no making you happy. The one thing that kinda sucks is the amp thing(but anyone could have called to see if the amp had 2 boards in it) if i was going to buy a $1500 amp i would be sure it was legal before i bought it.
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^^ As far as they knew it WAS legal, until they get the word a day before finals. If it was used to set a record earlier in the year and there was no definite answer until a day before finals, that is BS.
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Again, as other have mentioned, there NEEDS to be a list of what amps (and subs) can be used in what class. To make that list would probably take up way to much time though. If the rules would have been enfoced throughout the year, nobody would have had a problem, I think. My question is this. Since a record was made with that amp during the season, but that amp was dq'ed during finals, does the person get to keep the record? I really missed competing this year, even though I have only be in the lanes twice. I want to compete next year, but with everything that happened at finals, I don't know. I sure would hate to have a setup built to find out that I can't use it, the day before.
My views, as a newbie is, A lot of things needs to be changed. rules need to be enforced throughout the whole season, not just in finals. If a person is disqualified for using "illegal" equipment for his/her class at finals, but has broken a record during the season, that person should not be allowed to keep the record. Street A should get back to, what I understand, bringing in new people. This will take quite a bit or work, but is definately needed or dB drag will get stale quick. Why not just have an open class. This class could use whatever they want, however they want, IF they feel they can hold thier position in that class. I doubt that will work though.
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rules about monster amps have been around for a while haven't they. i wonder why someone would use a double board amp or why a competition would let them use it all year long? and then complain about it the day the rule is enforced
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You have to send in info one what equipment you are running when you get and invite right?? this should have been cleared up right after the invites were recived......i dont think anyone will be happy with the outcome.....but yes....rules are rules....
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If the rules did not change constanstly during the season or left to the OPINION of certain judges, then being DQ'd would be fair. But this is not the case in DB Drag!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Its just not right with all the world finals exceptions. And also there were 2, maybe more, records set with this "monster amp" during the season and nothing was said then. Also how one judge may think something is right and approves you of it, but when you get to finals other judges dont agree. Judges need to be on the same page BEFORE FINALS!!! Rules are Rules but make them the same with every judge AND with every competitor.
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quote:Originally posted by Hakeeb: i think it is great the rules were inforced. Every year people complain that rules were not inforced, now people are complaining that rules were inforced. There is just no making you happy. The one thing that kinda sucks is the amp thing(but anyone could have called to see if the amp had 2 boards in it) if i was going to buy a $1500 amp i would be sure it was legal before i bought it.
I think part of it might also be that some rules were enforced but others were forgotten.
For example.. the equipment cutoff date. Doesn't seem to me like this was enforced because I heard of people using the VFL 200.1
I know for a FACT that this amp was not commercially available for the cutoff date.
How do I know?
I called AB myself a couple of days before the cutoff date to find out about pricing and availability. I was told by AB that them amps wouldn't be shipping until just before finals because they were still testing and wanted to get all the bugs out.
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quote:Originally posted by Hakeeb: i think it is great the rules were inforced. Every year people complain that rules were not inforced, now people are complaining that rules were inforced. There is just no making you happy. The one thing that kinda sucks is the amp thing(but anyone could have called to see if the amp had 2 boards in it) if i was going to buy a $1500 amp i would be sure it was legal before i bought it.
Why would anyone even think to ask that question? When you use an amp all year long, and no one says anything, then you just continue to use it and not even think about it. I'm not going to argue about how many boards it has, or how many amps it is, I'm just gonna say this. I have no problem with rules being enforced, but enforce them all year, or not at all.
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i was all for the colossus being used, until i saw this inside of one this weekend. it is very clearly two amps in one casing. doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure that one out. i was made to take the bottom plate off of mine to show it was one amp, which the judges said it was. i do agree though, it should have been ruled upon before finals, so people knew ahead of time. i just wish i would have know that one of mine was 180 out of phase out of the box, set at 0. should've tested with both instead of just one! now i'll tell what i thought was a bunch of total crap!! the favoritism show to foriegn competitors from foriegn judges. i thought it was in poor taste that when a foriegn competitor won his round one judge in particular would run over and hug him. that was B.S. if it was fair across the board, shouldnt there have been hugs all around? (yes, gay, i know but.....). or hanging out at the europeans cars? why didnt you just say, "even if they're doing stuff illegal, they're not gonna get DQ'd". also, nothing against cristoph, but when he was inspected for backing up his record against me, i watched as his car was inspected. why wasnt his battery taken out and tested? i heard rumors all weekend about this, and it was alot about a hollow optima with "special" stuff inside. also what about the "sound dampening material" that is basically concrete. oh, wait, it is marketed as sound dampner, i forgot. and we all know that sound dampner that gets rock hard when applied is sound dampner, not structural reinforcement. i'm sorry for what i have said here, i got it off my chest. and i'll still be back next year, hoping that people will feel bad about breaking/bending the rules and not do it, but i know this is just a big dream..........
quote:Originally posted by mytloud1: i was all for the colossus being used, until i saw this inside of one this weekend. it is very clearly two amps in one casing. doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure that one out. i was made to take the bottom plate off of mine to show it was one amp, which the judges said it was. i do agree though, it should have been ruled upon before finals, so people knew ahead of time. i just wish i would have know that one of mine was 180 out of phase out of the box, set at 0. should've tested with both instead of just one! now i'll tell what i thought was a bunch of total crap!! the favoritism show to foriegn competitors from foriegn judges. i thought it was in poor taste that when a foriegn competitor won his round one judge in particular would run over and hug him. that was B.S. if it was fair across the board, shouldnt there have been hugs all around? (yes, gay, i know but.....). or hanging out at the europeans cars? why didnt you just say, "even if they're doing stuff illegal, they're not gonna get DQ'd". also, nothing against cristoph, but when he was inspected for backing up his record against me, i watched as his car was inspected. why wasnt his battery taken out and tested? i heard rumors all weekend about this, and it was alot about a hollow optima with "special" stuff inside. also what about the "sound dampening material" that is basically concrete. oh, wait, it is marketed as sound dampner, i forgot. and we all know that sound dampner that gets rock hard when applied is sound dampner, not structural reinforcement. i'm sorry for what i have said here, i got it off my chest. and i'll still be back next year, hoping that people will feel bad about breaking/bending the rules and not do it, but i know this is just a big dream..........
I thought some of the judges actions were in poor taste and did show favoritism. Congrats to Team MBS, but he is right on the battery rumors and the "sound dampener." At least somebody had the guts to say this.
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I also noticed that the would shake hands and hug the oversea guyes and thought that wasnt right. After a win or World record I never saw them do that with anyone eles. Also did we sent over 10 or 12 or however many american judges over seas to there "World Finals" If not is there a problem here that thay can come over and tear our stuff apart and we cant do the same?? I dont know if we did or not just asking. Im not saying that they are cheatting just wonder if they are that Strict on there side.I never have said that overseas guys cheat and never will. I know you guys are loud and Im glad that I had a chance to meet Mikko and his new Wife that helped me with my build, and Steve Cooks. Congrats on the wedding.
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BIASED JUDGEDS,thats an understatement.as far as the amp thing,rules are rules,im not mad.i am disappointed that i called wayne over a month before finals and was told there wasnt any issue with that amp.i think its funny that guys can run 10k amps in street classes and noone says a thing.if hifonics connects those boards its one amp,1/4" gap is all that seperates these boards.im sure by next year this amp will be on 1 board,then what?theres no end to the controversy other than to either deal with it or leave,you make your decision.i've already made mine.congrats to all who won,you guys did a great job.btw, id love some of mbs's sound deadener.this guy put a full glass of water on the roof and playedv it full tilt and the water never moved,thats some serious stuff.maybe my roof shouldnt have been the one under scrutiny,mine moved enuff that the factory brace ripped out and fell on the floor,lol.
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quote:Originally posted by Mike_Stiers: Livewire Electronics will soon be marketing recased batteries and 2 part epoxy/sand mix as deadener. Any buyers?
if i can punch my doors full force and not dent them but feel like i broke my hand im ALL FOR your product....lol
quote:Originally posted by Mike_Stiers: Livewire Electronics will soon be marketing recased batteries and 2 part epoxy/sand mix as deadener. Any buyers?
if i can punch my doors full force and not dent them but feel like i broke my hand im ALL FOR your product....lol
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