quote:Originally posted by Team Urban ArtFX - Percy:
quote:Originally posted by J.DEMUTH:
quote:Originally posted by ShockingCanada: ...it was predicted that they would do whatever they could to keep a black man from the ghetto from winning finals...
That is a pretty uneducated thing to say, escpecially coming from a guy as smart as you. It is the sport..... nothing but head aches and loop holes. It is bull shiat, that the amp has set quite a few records through the season, and even I did not know that a 2 amp ruling was coming. Ofcourse I never opened one either.
It is about as STUPID as the suction cups to the windshield change that wayne made the day of finals a few years back. Pretty smart guy to be making such dumb azz changes at crazy times of the season.
This has a lot more meaning than you think it does !!, you may find out in 2-4 months
Who cares, competition is throwing your money down the toilet..... thanks to all of the bs and loop holes, I feel as though I competed for 15 years for it to develop into this crap..... I have found a better hobby now. In 15 years a lot of the new guys will feel the same way.
what new hobby do you have Ive got one too but I love my audio too much to give up... but a change in organizations is well on its way...I have a feeling IDBL will be big/huge next year
hahahaha yup, the classic IDBL competitors are going to have their eyes opened next year! lol
Imagine everyone's shock as Terry Brocks posts a 156-157 on the new AC in stock 1....roflmao!!
from experience on the NEW AudioControl I've only noticed 0.5-1.5 dB difference... the IDBL guys ate still hitting decent numbers out there... but you gotta realize IDBL is more fair ...where Terry being a shop owner(pretty sure he is...correct me if Im wrong) will not be allowed to compete in STOCK 1 he will have to compete in ADVANCED 1 where guys are hitting some crazy numbers too ...IDBL is more fair for the consumer and newbie and the others have to fight their own battle
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quote:Originally posted by Team Urban ArtFX - Percy:
quote:Originally posted by J.DEMUTH:
quote:Originally posted by ShockingCanada: ...it was predicted that they would do whatever they could to keep a black man from the ghetto from winning finals...
That is a pretty uneducated thing to say, escpecially coming from a guy as smart as you. It is the sport..... nothing but head aches and loop holes. It is bull shiat, that the amp has set quite a few records through the season, and even I did not know that a 2 amp ruling was coming. Ofcourse I never opened one either.
It is about as STUPID as the suction cups to the windshield change that wayne made the day of finals a few years back. Pretty smart guy to be making such dumb azz changes at crazy times of the season.
This has a lot more meaning than you think it does !!, you may find out in 2-4 months
Who cares, competition is throwing your money down the toilet..... thanks to all of the bs and loop holes, I feel as though I competed for 15 years for it to develop into this crap..... I have found a better hobby now. In 15 years a lot of the new guys will feel the same way.
what new hobby do you have Ive got one too but I love my audio too much to give up... but a change in organizations is well on its way...I have a feeling IDBL will be big/huge next year
hahahaha yup, the classic IDBL competitors are going to have their eyes opened next year! lol
Imagine everyone's shock as Terry Brocks posts a 156-157 on the new AC in stock 1....roflmao!!
from experience on the NEW AudioControl I've only noticed 0.5-1.5 dB difference... the IDBL guys ate still hitting decent numbers out there... but you gotta realize IDBL is more fair ...where Terry being a shop owner(pretty sure he is...correct me if Im wrong) will not be allowed to compete in STOCK 1 he will have to compete in ADVANCED 1 where guys are hitting some crazy numbers too ...IDBL is more fair for the consumer and newbie and the others have to fight their own battle
Then you haven't learned the new AC's little tricks or you are the victim of that stupid hydrophone varying again. I have seen almost a universal 2-3dB difference btwn the new AC and the new TL. And even more with higher scoring vehicles than mine. Right now I'm doing 153-154 on the new AC and can only muster a 151.6 on the new TL with my loudest box...
btw - what Ive found is that the AC likes a higher note than the TL, it likes it COLD inside, and it likes to put up slightly bigger numbers after a high scoring vehicle has moved through the lanes...
Now im not saying the scores in IDBL arent decent, far from it, however I still maintain that some eyes will be opened...and you are right about the classification system being more fair...
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maybe you can enlighten me of the "stupid hydrophone varying " ...most of the vehicles Ive built and tested between the two meters are only 0.5-1.5 db difference... with finals coming up it would be nice to bring some of the scores up a tad if you dont mind sharing the tricks ... got 2 guys goin down... Stock 1-160 and an Avanced 361-720
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quote:Originally posted by Team Urban ArtFX - Percy:
quote:Originally posted by J.DEMUTH:
quote:Originally posted by Team Urban ArtFX - Percy:
quote:Originally posted by J.DEMUTH:
quote:Originally posted by ShockingCanada: ...it was predicted that they would do whatever they could to keep a black man from the ghetto from winning finals...
That is a pretty uneducated thing to say, escpecially coming from a guy as smart as you. It is the sport..... nothing but head aches and loop holes. It is bull shiat, that the amp has set quite a few records through the season, and even I did not know that a 2 amp ruling was coming. Ofcourse I never opened one either.
It is about as STUPID as the suction cups to the windshield change that wayne made the day of finals a few years back. Pretty smart guy to be making such dumb azz changes at crazy times of the season.
This has a lot more meaning than you think it does !!, you may find out in 2-4 months
Who cares, competition is throwing your money down the toilet..... thanks to all of the bs and loop holes, I feel as though I competed for 15 years for it to develop into this crap..... I have found a better hobby now. In 15 years a lot of the new guys will feel the same way.
I've been in it for almost 10 years I know what you mean, almost all hobbies cost money, some more than others but thats not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the statment that was made, I'm not sure how you can say who cares when you attacked Tom about that statment, If you didn't care why post about it .
Tom turned it into a "racial" issue. Terry is loved by everyone. It is another bum-luck rule change/decision at the wrong time of the year. If I had gone to finals this year, I would have ran the colossus in street max 1-2. I also would have protested DbDrag all the way to the media if I was told (at finals) that my 2 amps were now considered 4 amps. Man it would not have been pretty. This is why I say that there is NO LEADERSHIP in DbDrag anymore. Too much wishy washy stuff..... Might as well have John Kerry the Flip Flopper run this organization. Basically, Wayne has lost interest due to other ventures, and does not know what is going on anymore. The people will wise up soon. When I competed well in 2002, I lived with the fact that this is not a hobby anymore, but a way of life. Why live life with never knowing if what you built all year is going to be dq'ed or rejected from one judge, but not the next. Or at finals. It is too much sweat and tears to have to worry about inconsistency of DbDrag. Basically it is a sport of vanity, with who is the Biggest wallet, and who has the "politicians" in their pocket. Of course I do care, but after so long, why try to stay in it.
I know what you mean I'm not sure how much tom knows, but he kmows anything about whats going on, I can tell you he did not start this.
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Luin, you would feel the same way. Think of it first. You see an amp used at a big 3x event with Wayne and Steve there judging. The amp is allowed. You sell your amps in order to get that same amp. You gain enough to make it worth the trip to finals. Then your told you cant use that amp. Even though there were several posts asking what can or cant be used. Even at one point asking about that SAME amp. Without a single reply from any DB Drag offical.
Now would you be happy with that situation? I dont think you would be. Terry Brocks has been a very loyal and outstanding member of DB Drag for along time now. Out of respect for all members these questions should of been answered but they were not.
quote:Originally posted by Street Dreams CC: Luin, you would feel the same way. Think of it first. You see an amp used at a big 3x event with Wayne and Steve there judging. The amp is allowed. You sell your amps in order to get that same amp. You gain enough to make it worth the trip to finals. Then your told you cant use that amp. Even though there were several posts asking what can or cant be used. Even at one point asking about that SAME amp. Without a single reply from any DB Drag offical.
Now would you be happy with that situation? I dont think you would be. Terry Brocks has been a very loyal and outstanding member of DB Drag for along time now. Out of respect for all members these questions should of been answered but they were not.
Damn right. When the amp Terry used got DQ'd so fast it told everyone that the judges knew this decision in advance. These competitors have been asking for months what is, and is not, legal. A simple post would have solved 95% of this.
Terry gives more to this sport than anyone I know.
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Yes, it is very unfortunate that Terry drove to Nashville and then gets told that he cant use his amp.
Im pretty sure that dB Drags intention wasnt to make the amp in question all of a sudden illegal at finals. Im not too familar with the amp in question, but if the picture that was posted earlier is the right amp, then yes I can see two boards put together to make it look like one. In the rules it states "Amplifiers that are constructed in such a way as to circumvent the amp quantity limitation may be prohibited from use in this division or may count as multiple amplifiers.".
After all the mumbo jumbo with TurboStarts in street back in 2001, I have learnt that if you have to think "hey is this illegal?", then it probably is. So the way I look at it, why ask if you have to?
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quote:Originally posted by Team Urban ArtFX - Percy:
quote:Originally posted by J.DEMUTH:
quote:Originally posted by ShockingCanada: ...it was predicted that they would do whatever they could to keep a black man from the ghetto from winning finals...
That is a pretty uneducated thing to say, escpecially coming from a guy as smart as you. It is the sport..... nothing but head aches and loop holes. It is bull shiat, that the amp has set quite a few records through the season, and even I did not know that a 2 amp ruling was coming. Ofcourse I never opened one either.
It is about as STUPID as the suction cups to the windshield change that wayne made the day of finals a few years back. Pretty smart guy to be making such dumb azz changes at crazy times of the season.
This has a lot more meaning than you think it does !!, you may find out in 2-4 months
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I agree, the photo I seen was 2 boards in one. But the amp has been in production for serveral years. It couldnt of been said along time ago that it is considered 2 amps? Trendsetters amps were posted as 2 amps. But also if others have used this same amp at shows where DB Steve or Wayne or Sam have been at judging and was allowed to why stop it now? Why not simply state in a post the amp is considered 2 amps and will be treated as such. I feel bad for everyone who didnt know it was 2 amp boards inside. Honestly I didnt even know it untill I seen the picture. Lesson lerned, open all amps to see what you really got in there....
quote:Originally posted by Luin Haden: Yes, it is very unfortunate that Terry drove to Nashville and then gets told that he cant use his amp.
Im pretty sure that dB Drags intention wasnt to make the amp in question all of a sudden illegal at finals. Im not too familar with the amp in question, but if the picture that was posted earlier is the right amp, then yes I can see two boards put together to make it look like one. In the rules it states "Amplifiers that are constructed in such a way as to circumvent the amp quantity limitation may be prohibited from use in this division or may count as multiple amplifiers.".
After all the mumbo jumbo with TurboStarts in street back in 2001, I have learnt that if you have to think "hey is this illegal?", then it probably is. So the way I look at it, why ask if you have to?
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The Gen XX Colossus we are all speaking of is in production for not more than 1 year. The older gen XI Colossus is a real 2 channel class A/B amp.
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people have asked if it would be legal for street A and noone responded. it was used in the beginning of the year to set a world record were wayne was head judge.
terry was ambushed at finals and told to open it up. he even offered to cut the wires that connect the boards then hook one of those boards up to see if it ran, they just walked away.
the european judges said how did you not know it was 2 amps we havent allowed it all year. but told no one. waynes amp list is still incomplete.
this amp was made before the rules so it was not made to get around db drag rules.
there are many amps with multiple boards and those are legal. the 2 boards in the collosus are not the same.
everyone should have been told before finals this amp was not going to be allowed. they waited till the last minute to tell anyone. it should have been allowed since it had been all year long.
and there was amps that everyone knows were not available before the cutoff that were not even questioned.
i feel db drag dropped the ball on this one, and it has me thinking if i even want to continue competeing in db drag.
quote:Originally posted by pierced: the ruleing was wrong...
people have asked if it would be legal for street A and noone responded. it was used in the beginning of the year to set a world record were wayne was head judge.
Actually.. it sounds like the ruleing was correct, but the way it was done was wrong.
Just because they screwed up earlier in the season doesn't make it legal for finals.
I don't agree with what they did or how they did it, but the point is that they still made the correct ruling.
(now, the whole thing about cutoff dates is another story)
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the american judges had allowed the amp all year.
the overseas judges did NOT allow the amp all year. and ruled it as two amps.
lack of communication between judges is a sad sight.
some american judges were shocked that it was DQ'd.
the problem isnt with a rule being enforced, its with a rule being enforced two different ways in different parts of the world. with no communication about the issue whatsoever.
the question was posed in the past about that amp, with no reply.
if the international judges KNEW they had deemed that amp illegal ALL year... why did NO ONE know about it? american judges didnt know, apprantly wayne didnt know, and certainly competitors in this hemisphere didnt know.
yet, i would assume international judges AND competitors DID know.. but nothing was said until friday.
THAT'S the issue.
the issue isnt about a rule being enforced.
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