quote:Originally posted by neilneil: why all the bitching , its 2 amps simple
do u remember when all the euro boyys where stopped using the ext4000d and all the usa guys said tough its 2 amps
same situation deal with it
No one is bitching about the legality of the amp. You guys were told immediately that the SPL-D would not be allowed, allowing plenty of time for a change. At least your judges gave you a heads up in advance. I respect your judges.
This person was told Friday afternoon, about sixteen hours before finals started. Like most, he assumed this amp was going to ruled as a single amp since it had set at least one world record in the past.
Remember, not everyone has opened thier amps to check for multiple boards. Some competitors would not even know what they were looking at, plus they do not read this forum for 'rule updates.'
Sad that Terry was doing around a 53 or better with an amp that is probably no more powerful than the SPL3000 or Crossfire 4000.
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quote:Originally posted by winslow: Wasn't that the big issue with the Trendsetters amp? It was ruled as one amp...
Was ruled legal but two amps.
quote:Originally posted by Fortunz:
quote:Originally posted by Mr Bump: You own one of these amps.
Open it up, look inside.
It doesnt take a rocket scientist to see its two amps.
All they have done is layed them end on end, not on top of each other.
It should have been decided earlier but its been ruled now.
Would you have prefered someone won finals with this amp and the amp gets DQd next week or next year. It would mean the World Champ had won with an illegal amp, would that be a better situation?
I don't think that I should have to void my warrenty to find out if I can run my amp.
This also brings up the question of wiring quads under the cap. I remember that everyone said that if it has 2 voice coil connectors on the sub then it must be a dual and why argue it is a quad. Does that mean I should tear my sub apart to find out if I can run it in a street class?
I think you will find most subs are quads, quad layered coils that is. Where they are terminated makes the difference. If its under the cap then it doesnt matter.
So you wont void your warrenty by opening the back but how about running it under rated loads
As I keep saying, it should have been said before the finals.
But its two amps, therefore illegal.
No arguements, sorry.
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quote:Originally posted by winslow: Wasn't that the big issue with the Trendsetters amp? It was ruled as one amp...
Yes,our amp was ruled as two amps,which is fine by us. We were just glad to have a solid ruling so we wouldn't have to go through this sort of mess. Once again(in Terry's situation)the judges have dropped the ball.
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quote:Originally posted by winslow: Wasn't that the big issue with the Trendsetters amp? It was ruled as one amp...
Was ruled legal but two amps.
quote:Originally posted by Fortunz:
quote:Originally posted by Mr Bump: You own one of these amps.
Open it up, look inside.
It doesnt take a rocket scientist to see its two amps.
All they have done is layed them end on end, not on top of each other.
It should have been decided earlier but its been ruled now.
Would you have prefered someone won finals with this amp and the amp gets DQd next week or next year. It would mean the World Champ had won with an illegal amp, would that be a better situation?
I don't think that I should have to void my warrenty to find out if I can run my amp.
This also brings up the question of wiring quads under the cap. I remember that everyone said that if it has 2 voice coil connectors on the sub then it must be a dual and why argue it is a quad. Does that mean I should tear my sub apart to find out if I can run it in a street class?
I think you will find most subs are quads, quad layered coils that is. Where they are terminated makes the difference. If its under the cap then it doesnt matter.
So you wont void your warrenty by opening the back but how about running it under rated loads
As I keep saying, it should have been said before the finals.
But its two amps, therefore illegal.
No arguements, sorry.
How is it that if its terminated as a dual it is a dual even tho there are 4 discreet coils? how is this different then the amp having multiple boards terminated as a single channel?
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I heard Eric Coulter will not be competing because he too was using the Hifonics amps. This person stated that many Street guys came with Hifonics amps and are either having to switch amps or not compete.
Correction, he is trying different equipment now and will compete.
quote:Originally posted by winslow: Wasn't that the big issue with the Trendsetters amp? It was ruled as one amp...
Was ruled legal but two amps.
quote:Originally posted by Fortunz:
quote:Originally posted by Mr Bump: You own one of these amps.
Open it up, look inside.
It doesnt take a rocket scientist to see its two amps.
All they have done is layed them end on end, not on top of each other.
It should have been decided earlier but its been ruled now.
Would you have prefered someone won finals with this amp and the amp gets DQd next week or next year. It would mean the World Champ had won with an illegal amp, would that be a better situation?
I don't think that I should have to void my warrenty to find out if I can run my amp.
This also brings up the question of wiring quads under the cap. I remember that everyone said that if it has 2 voice coil connectors on the sub then it must be a dual and why argue it is a quad. Does that mean I should tear my sub apart to find out if I can run it in a street class?
I think you will find most subs are quads, quad layered coils that is. Where they are terminated makes the difference. If its under the cap then it doesnt matter.
So you wont void your warrenty by opening the back but how about running it under rated loads
As I keep saying, it should have been said before the finals.
But its two amps, therefore illegal.
No arguements, sorry.
How is it that if its terminated as a dual it is a dual even tho there are 4 discreet coils? how is this different then the amp having multiple boards terminated as a single channel?
A quad or DVC is simpley made by splitting the layers of the coil up into 2 or 4 parts. All subs have more than one layer of coils, terminating them as a QVC or DVC allows for more wiring options, thats all.
Its not exactly mulitple boards. Its two almost identical boards in one heatsink. Putting two amps in one heatsink isnt allowed by the rules.
Which bit dont you understand? Do you want me to speak slowly, spell it out or use sign langauge??
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Sorry about the Trendstetters thing...I gave up after reading the first 20 pages of that thread...
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I took the backplate off one of these a couple of weeks ago and was fairly certain it would not be classified as one amp for finals. If I was going to use an amp that I knew might not be legal I would call Wayne and get verification not rely on a forum for my information. It's not like the guys using these for finals didn't know it had two boards so that argument can be dropped.
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So let me get this straight. This amp has been being used for a while now and was allowed to set a record, now that it's finals and some people spent alot of money to get there they say no no you can not use that amp. Who ever said it said it right something happens every year at finals. It's too bad it's always somthing bad. This is why I don't go to finals because I would flip out if they did that to me ( oh wait they did with the 9.0). They had plenty of time to determine if this amp was legal or not what about the 9.0 thats 2 bords in one heat sink.
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Based on the determination of the Hifonics being 2 amps it would stand to reason that you could only use 4 of them in NW. How would you use more than 4 anyway? They are not strappable. Not really an issue in NW.
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quote:Originally posted by ShockingCanada: ...it was predicted that they would do whatever they could to keep a black man from the ghetto from winning finals...
quote:Originally posted by BIG YUKON T: Based on the determination of the Hifonics being 2 amps it would stand to reason that you could only use 4 of them in NW. How would you use more than 4 anyway? They are not strappable. Not really an issue in NW.
actually tim, there is a strap machine, that i believe 1 person is using at finals(two people offerred to hughes and cook). it allows you to strap a crapload of amplifiers. supposedly any number of amplifiers into 1 channel.
quote:Originally posted by ShockingCanada: ...it was predicted that they would do whatever they could to keep a black man from the ghetto from winning finals...
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quote:Originally posted by I'm Liven Loud:
quote:Originally posted by ShockingCanada: ...it was predicted that they would do whatever they could to keep a black man from the ghetto from winning finals...
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dB Drag is going so far down the hill.... God its going to be funny next year when no one competes, and wayne is forced to cancel finals, opps did i say that.
dB Drag use to be the premier org... but now with what has happened in the past two days, its just a joke...
I bet the competitors who are fu(ked are gonna say Fu(k you to db drag next year... if I were them I would, spending outrageous amounts of money to go to finals then a day before ur going to start you find out u cant use your equipment... thats a bunch of BS.
Fu(k dB Drag!
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quote:Originally posted by BIG YUKON T: I took the backplate off one of these a couple of weeks ago and was fairly certain it would not be classified as one amp for finals. If I was going to use an amp that I knew might not be legal I would call Wayne and get verification not rely on a forum for my information. It's not like the guys using these for finals didn't know it had two boards so that argument can be dropped.
No one is questioning the legality of the amp. The judges DQ'd the amp immediately at finals, so certainly they knew it was illegal BEFORE finals. Why could they not have put a simple post up in the rules section stating that? That is what this whole thread is about. It makes it LOOK like they are targeting people when they arrive.
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