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who said you were whining jesse?everyone is overlooking the fact that we had OEM SEATS IN ARKANSAS?1 cloth,1 leather it was all we had and it looked like ass.the racing seats were what we came up with last weekend because we forgot the others in marshfeild.i like the comment about our van being a ss vehicle,what class were you guys in last year? trust me if i get a sponser,I WILL BE BACK IN SS,why do you think i kept my points and got more in biggies name? good luck to everyone in their projects,hope they work out for you.
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quote:Originally posted by Trouble: You know I find it in very bad judgment that a certified judge sees a question being asked and only responds with something rediculous that has nothing to do with the question. I mean what are they even on here for? Are they refusing to answer questions that are not posted in the other section? Heck when I look in there now I see more responses from competitors than the judges themselves.
First of all, I have been wanting the seats out of Chris's van for a long time. That post was an inside joke to Chris if you must know.
Why I haven't answered completly is because I am on the road doing shows in Missouri all this week ( Tuesday-Saturday ) and I don't have much time to post especially at 28.8 connection. I find myself now with 6 minutes left to check out of my hotel room trying to answer questions and satisfy people.
Finally for an answer to everyone's quesiton, if the place you buy the seats from says that their intended for everyday driving ( Street use NOT off road use ), then they are legal. That pretty much sums it up.
For the time it took you to write the first response you could have written the answer to the question. And as far as the 6 minutes, get up earlier slacker. That pretty much sums it up.
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Street Max Division Passenger Compartment Restrictions
3-9a Modifications to the passenger compartment from the B-Pillar forward are prohibited. · For clarification purposes, the dBDRA uses the term “modification” to describe changes to the vehicle that have been made in order to accommodate the sound system or to improve the competitor’s score.
Some examples of passenger compartment modifications include:
o Replacing the OEM glass
o Replacing the OEM dashboard
o Replacing the OEM seats
ummm is this a db drag rule ????? Posts: 1636 | From: Newhampshire | Registered: Nov 2001
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Before you go crazy, remember this line also: "For clarification purposes, the dBDRA uses the term “modification” to describe changes to the vehicle that have been made in order to accommodate the sound system or to improve the competitor’s score."
The seats make the van look better, not to mention the OEM seats are long gone. The seats used are intended to be an equivalent replacement.
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quote:NDMstang65 (9:54:55 PM): scottie gagged me once...
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quote:Originally posted by JRS168DB: Street Max Division Passenger Compartment Restrictions
3-9a Modifications to the passenger compartment from the B-Pillar forward are prohibited. · For clarification purposes, the dBDRA uses the term “modification” to describe changes to the vehicle that have been made in order to accommodate the sound system or to improve the competitor’s score.
Some examples of passenger compartment modifications include:
o Replacing the OEM glass
o Replacing the OEM dashboard
o Replacing the OEM seats
ummm is this a db drag rule ?????
3-8 The extent to which modifications to the passenger compartment are allowed is limited by the division a competitor is competing in. (See Section 2 entitled, “Competitor Classification System” earlier in this rulebook for a complete listing of competition divisions and classes.)
Additional Guidelines:
· For clarification purposes, the dBDRA uses the term “modification” to describe changes to the vehicle that have been made in order to accommodate the sound system or to improve the competitor’s score.
Some examples of passenger compartment modifications include:
o Replacing the OEM glass o Replacing the OEM dashboard o Replacing the OEM seats o Reinforcing the door panels o Floor build-ups and roof build-downs o Removing or replacing the OEM center console
A Special Note on Equivalent Replacements:
· There are several areas in the rulebook where the term “equivalent replacement” is used. The dBDRA considers an equivalent replacement to be a replacement that closely resembles the OEM product it replaces in both form and function. This includes structural rigidity, cosmetics, and size. For example, if a competitor is replacing the door panel on a vehicle, it would be acceptable for the replacement to be made of 1/8-inch (3.175mm) thick fiber board covered with upholstery material, since the structural rigidity, cosmetics, and size of the replacement panel are similar to those of the original panel. On the other hand, a replacement panel made from 1-inch (2.54 cm) thick MDF would not be permissible because the structural rigidity of the replacement panel is different from that of the original.
Street Max Division Passenger Compartment Restrictions
3-9a Modifications to the passenger compartment from the B-Pillar forward are prohibited.
Additional Guidelines:
· The OEM headliner (or an equivalent replacement) must remain in place for those areas in front of the B-Pillar.
· The OEM door panels (or an equivalent replacement) must remain in place for those areas in front of the B-Pillar.
· The OEM carpeting (or an equivalent replacement) must remain in place for those areas in front of the B-Pillar.
Those modifications are examples of Extreme vehicles. IE: Replacing the glass with bullet proof glass, Replacing the door panels with 6" of MDF, building up the floor and lowering the ceiling with MDF, replacing the OEM dash with a wooden dash. This is the intent and examples of what modifications are.
quote from racing seat company:
quote:With its aggressive, sport design and integrated headrest and belt guides, you can use it on the track or on the street. Its close affinity with our professional racing shells is RECARO's way to synthesize sportiness and comfort.
another quote:
quote:An evolution of our world famous competition seats, this seat is designed for highway use (not recommended for competition purposes)and designed to be used in high performance sports cars. Provides maximum lateral support without being difficult to get in and out of the car. The shell is made in fiberglass.
another quote:
quote:Deep-sided bucketed support for comfort and stability on the road or track
We can not tell someone that has replace their factory seats with one of these types of seats that they can not compete. If this was the case we would loose alot of competitors and be turning them against car stereo competition.
I know everyone is complaining about Broken Silence - Biggie's caravan with these plastic racing seats. This vehicle use to be a SS vehicle last year ( 2nd place finisher at finals ). When they dropped down to Street Max they had to find/buy seats cause they threw away the old torn up seats that came with the van ( because in SS you don't need seats ). The plastic racing seats were cheap and they meet DOT standards.
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cool and thankyou and no i wasnt talkin about any of them i dont care what they have i no mine is loud and proud see ya at the next cert show to regain my placement if i can find a cert show between now and the 27 so far no luck in my area Posts: 1636 | From: Newhampshire | Registered: Nov 2001
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i dont think the seat it self would be the big issue, i see it as more of a mounting thing ..should or shouldnt the seats be mounted , and where should they be mounted? factory location?8 inches forward of factory? or just bolted anywhere ?do the have to face the front?i think these would be issues..not so much the seats ANYONE can buy...i dont think the sm3-4 van would make much of a differance where the seats where, i personally would be more worried about when it actaully gets a windshield...
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Yeah, don't you love how the rules get changed at finals...
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quote:NDMstang65 (9:54:55 PM): scottie gagged me once...
Posts: 7989 | From: Camdenton, Missouri, USA | Registered: Feb 2001
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quote:Originally posted by Trouble: You know I find it in very bad judgment that a certified judge sees a question being asked and only responds with something rediculous that has nothing to do with the question. I mean what are they even on here for? Are they refusing to answer questions that are not posted in the other section? Heck when I look in there now I see more responses from competitors than the judges themselves.
First of all, I have been wanting the seats out of Chris's van for a long time. That post was an inside joke to Chris if you must know.
Why I haven't answered completly is because I am on the road doing shows in Missouri all this week ( Tuesday-Saturday ) and I don't have much time to post especially at 28.8 connection. I find myself now with 6 minutes left to check out of my hotel room trying to answer questions and satisfy people.
Finally for an answer to everyone's quesiton, if the place you buy the seats from says that their intended for everyday driving ( Street use NOT off road use ), then they are legal. That pretty much sums it up.
so i guess gocart seats are legal now after finals i cant beleive this Posts: 1636 | From: Newhampshire | Registered: Nov 2001
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That Quote said not for use of competition. Its this a Bass competition?? HEHEE Now theres a loop hole!! I realy dont care either way just though that this was kinda funny the COMPETITION part of the Quote.
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my seats were $80 a peice and they went further back than factory and were covered in a factory cushioned vinyl so hope you are not bitching about me and thats any of you
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quote:Originally posted by David Baldwin: my seats were $80 a peice and they went further back than factory and were covered in a factory cushioned vinyl so hope you are not bitching about me and thats any of you
I think they are talking about the plastic racing seats like we had, and a few others had.
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i dont know who had go cart seats...but all i remember seeing was racing seats that anyone and there grandma can buy, that are sold as aftermarket replacements..i dont know what will happen after the BS at finals..but i think it would be stupid to not allow SM to buy after market seats for our cars.any kind of replacment automotive seat we want...they are sold for cars,meet dot standards,not listed as offroad use only ...as a SM competiter i would be mad not to be able to buy some for my van next year, if people are not smart enough to buy/test some..thats ther fault....
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I had seats that were fitted to go-karts as well as other vehicles. I used them all year, and at the Euro finals. I am 6 foot 3, and drove my very samll car to all the shows. I could not drive the car with standard seats, these small seats meant I could actually drive the car.
I did test the difference between these seats and the standard seats, standard seats were 0.1db to 0.2 db louder. As I always won by several db in the UK, and got beat by several whole db at the Euro finals, I saw no point using the standard seat, although I always has access to a set of standards at shows if I needed them.
So please realise, there maybe more than 1 reason for swapping a seat, and not everyone is trying to shaft the rules.
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quote:Originally posted by firestarter: I had seats that were fitted to go-karts as well as other vehicles. I used them all year, and at the Euro finals. I am 6 foot 3, and drove my very samll car to all the shows. I could not drive the car with standard seats, these small seats meant I could actually drive the car.
I did test the difference between these seats and the standard seats, standard seats were 0.1db to 0.2 db louder. As I always won by several db in the UK, and got beat by several whole db at the Euro finals, I saw no point using the standard seat, although I always has access to a set of standards at shows if I needed them.
So please realise, there maybe more than 1 reason for swapping a seat, and not everyone is trying to shaft the rules.
did the seats You use have padding and some type of cover??
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The fronts of Geoffs seats were padded/covered.
The backs were bare plastic, similar to many racing style seats.
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