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Here is my question or a thought to ponder for everyone. With the results from finals having been posted for many months and much thinking and looking why is it that extreme competitors dominate with media coverage and support as opposed to superstreet? You can ask almost everyone who Michael Hughes is and they will tell you. Which is a great accomplishment but no one realizes they physical characteristics of sound are changed in the extreme class by the ridgidity of the cabin ( sound in a higher atmospheric pressure has different characteristics). Which in Extreme it is much more easy to achieve the higher SPL that it is known for. That is why there is such a small spread between all the classes only about 2db. Now if we look at SS the fronts of these vehicles are alot like people would use to drive and listen to stereos in and the numbers between the different classes varied by up to 5 db ( not counting the highest # for each winning competitor there were a few issues but if you take the most consistent #'s and average them) I mean there was one SS vehicle that hit 170+ in all four rounds and while everyone knows his name no one (media, spectators)seems to give him any credit except for fellow competitors. So I guess what it boils down to is that the highest # is the loudest even if you cannot sit inside of a vehicle to listen to it.
I do not want anyone to think that I am bashing the extreme competitors. I am only questioning the media judges,and spectators asking them to think what class they can relate to with their own audio system and how it sounds.
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Well I didnt even read the whole post...But what gets the WOW...from those that are outside observers? You get more from the extreme cars. People see 4 subs and see a 174 and I dont care if you are extreme or not...that is one hell of an achievement.
Bottom line they get the looks more then a normal looking one.
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This is just my personal opinion of the matter (ie. no fact to support it).
Loud audio systems, whether used in competition or not, is still considered to be obnoxious and unneccessary. The media realizes this, and tries to report items that will keep thier audience returning year after year. It is not so much that the media "glorifies" the extreme competitor, but rather that they know the mental patterns of the general audience is against loud, booming car stereos. By reporting more on the extreme vehicles, the media is able to stay within bounds of the customers metal hadicap. When a person views an article about an extreme competitor/vehicle, they are able to hide behide the stereotype that loud, bass filled vehicle are not the normal operations of daily living. They are allowed to continue this misconception, due to the media's unability (or unwillingness) to better inform the general audience of the "real" intentions of audio competitions. This is not to say that extreme competitors/vehicle are not "real", it is just a unconfirmed notion that they are not a common icon of the typical car audio enthusiast. Extreme vehicle are perceived to be the exception to what is "normal", and the media is able to hide behind this perception by exploiting them more than they do the average daily driver (or vehicle that appear to be daily drivers). For the media to "step out" and begin to praise the average street competitor/vehicle (or the appearance thereof) would risk loosing the audience's interest. Until the general public is better equiped to handle the truth about stereo competitions, I do not foresee any drastic changes in the near future. It is up to all audio enthisiast to help equip the general public, by being examples of what the spirit of audio competition truely is. Do not "blame" the media for the lack of coverage, but rather help them inform the public so that the media can begin to take the risk without destroying their customer base.
quote:Originally posted by Will Alfonso: Here is my question or a thought to ponder for everyone. With the results from finals having been posted for many months and much thinking and looking why is it that extreme competitors dominate with media coverage and support as opposed to superstreet? You can ask almost everyone who Michael Hughes is and they will tell you. Which is a great accomplishment but no one realizes they physical characteristics of sound are changed in the extreme class by the ridgidity of the cabin ( sound in a higher atmospheric pressure has different characteristics). Which in Extreme it is much more easy to achieve the higher SPL that it is known for. That is why there is such a small spread between all the classes only about 2db. Now if we look at SS the fronts of these vehicles are alot like people would use to drive and listen to stereos in and the numbers between the different classes varied by up to 5 db ( not counting the highest # for each winning competitor there were a few issues but if you take the most consistent #'s and average them) I mean there was one SS vehicle that hit 170+ in all four rounds and while everyone knows his name no one (media, spectators)seems to give him any credit except for fellow competitors. So I guess what it boils down to is that the highest # is the loudest even if you cannot sit inside of a vehicle to listen to it.
I do not want anyone to think that I am bashing the extreme competitors. I am only questioning the media judges,and spectators asking them to think what class they can relate to with their own audio system and how it sounds.
The gentleman that hit 170+ in all 4 runs also never opened his vehicle up for passing spectators or media people to see. Something to keep in perspective.
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Its all about the EXTREME front windows, the media eats it up. Everbodsy has a caravan but an Astro with 2" bulletproof windows is much more appealing to anybody!!!!!!!
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Just a thought....no bashing here either Mr. Alfonso...... if you say its much easier to make an extreme vehicle louder and they get all the credit, why not do it yourself?!?!
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quote:Originally posted by Will Alfonso: You can ask almost everyone who Michael Hughes is and they will tell you.
Who??? never heard of him!
I understand what you are saying, but its not limited just to our sport. In real drag racing i like Pro Street cars alot better beacause they are more realistic (like SS in dB Drag) but top fuel gets all the attention. No matter what sport you are talking about, the best of the best is always gonna get the most attention! Also when someone new is introduced to the sport, they wont ask what the highest score is in a "normal" car. They will want to know the biggest or baddest or loudest score of all!
little league or Majot League? college hoops or NBA? Pro Street or Top Fuel?
Any sport will always be recognized for the best overall in that particular sport*!
* Disclaimer: im not saying im the best and should be recognized as that.
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The gentleman that hit 170+ in all 4 runs also never opened his vehicle up for passing spectators or media people to see. Something to keep in perspective.
Good point alrile.Another point is that alrile's "super street" van was featured in at least three diiferent mags over here in DC.He must be doing somethin good.BTW there's also a pic of me and my "street" van at nopi on page 18 in the jan issue AS&S.I think i got lucky on that one.
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quote:Originally posted by THE-SCRAPER: Good point alrile.Another point is that alrile's "super street" van was featured in at least three diiferent mags over here in DC.He must be doing somethin good.BTW there's also a pic of me and my "street" van at nopi on page 18 in the jan issue AS&S.I think i got lucky on that one.
I saw it, congrats. And Will, I am not trying to be dificult, it's just that media people want to take pictures of things that the advertisers want them to. That's why they advertise. Thus, media personell scope contests for people willing to show their stuff off. It has nothing to do with winning and losing. Mags take pictures of stuff that is eye-catching. Usually manufacturers are the ones who utilize the winners in advertising. Hope this clears that up a little.
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quote:Originally posted by alrile: it's just that media people want to take pictures of things that the advertisers want them to. That's why they advertise.
Like a Picture of a door???
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I agree with autogoboom and spl2000, spectators and media alike dont look for the normal but the unusual or different, extreme vehicles look way different than any street or superstreet car and can usually do the best #s which draws attention. Who wants to pay $10 to enter a show to see all the cars on your block, no one wants to buy a magazine to see normal looking cars that they can see anywhere.
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By this logic, why is Port Wars not the "highest" class in USAC. Very few people even recognize it as a legitimate class. 2 10s can do a 180 port wars, and that's supposed to be "easy." Just wondering, but I think the "extreme-ness" of the vehicles plays more of a role than the numbers and performance.
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Well we have all seen a Bronco but not many look quite like Alma's
I think that even if an extreme vehicle did a 140 it would still get more recognition just because they have taken their sport to the very outer limits. I have seen an extreme vehicle do a 141 (extreme 1-2) and that dude had every eyeball on him from the time he got it off his trailer. Yet he had one of the lowest qualifying numbers out ofall classes.
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I think the visual look of the Extreme class vehicles is the reason, even from the outside the vehicles look modified (to insane levels sometimes) whereas the SS cars have to look normal. The outside view of an SS or street for that meter is nothing to look at that you couldn't see in the local mall car park. Yet the EX vehicles with modded glass, vehicles etc look something else.
Yes i do own an EXtreme vehcile & no it hasn't had any media coverage. I agree with the opening up of the vehicle(s) though as mentioned earlier
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