quote:Originally posted by Nutz: Ok I am guilty with the SS Battery Box.
Before it was built I had a conversation with Wayne Harris about the Undercarriage of the vehicle. This box was permitted to be added. Now I did not raise the vehicle and I hope no one does to stretch this rolling and possible have the decision reversed.
My main point is Super Street cars are similar to extreme cars. The only difference is the stock cabin space. How many SS cars that were at finals were actually driven. Only a few and if they were they were in an 1-2 class. (may be others but not aware of).
Whether you compete in a little car that needs a battery box or an van that has all the space in the world. Either way the extra batteries are not going to give you a winning edge of the next competitor.
You can always buy a van...
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I drove my ss 5-8 truck from az but on batterys i think if you build abox onder the car it is ok but you cut the floor it should on be you mod the floor redisined the cabin
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well ****....i suppose i'll have to buy a spare car to throw audio equipment in that i can't drive just to be competitive at world finals one year in SS class
No reason to respond to this immature comment.
Anyway. If the front cabin is not altered and you don't add Extensions ofs to the sides, roof or back of the car I don't see a problem. Dan Horner is a good example of a person who drove to finals. If you feel you can't compete because someone added a battery box to their car and you can't compete against trailored cars then I think you need to find a new class. The next step will be to say no Vans in SS1-2 because they can hold 100+ batteries. You will then be begging for the little car with the little battery box the can only hold 10.
As for Driving the vehicles down the street. I would like to see the higher SS vehicles drive down the high way and be able to stop with all the weight in it. It ain't gonna happen. Same with My SS1-2 car and even when I used to drive my Blazer. Their was to much weight in it to drive safely.
If you can't run with the Big Boys don't sit their and cry. That won't work either. This has always been the biggest complaint of the forum (to many cry babies).
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Posted by alaska posted 01-12-2002 10:24 PM:
quote:well ****....i suppose i'll have to buy a spare car to throw audio equipment in that i can't drive just to be competitive at world finals one year in SS class
Alaska, don't you realize that is exactly what you're supposed to do in any class above the Street classes? There are a few vehicles out there which were driven to finals such as Chris Howard's SS1-2 5th place truck, and a few others, but realistically, most of the World Finals competitive vehicles would not be safe to drive on a long, highway speed trip!
This is one of the reasons I would like to see a few more classes on the lower end of the scale, and fewer on top.
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origanaly posted by nutz:My main point is Super Street cars are similar to extreme cars. The only difference is the stock cabin space. How many SS cars that were at finals were actually driven. Only a few and if they were they were in an 1-2 class. (may be others but not aware of).
ed , you have a good point ,although i didnt drive my truck to finals for obviose reasons like gas cost and so forth , i do in fact drive it to every other show , from canada to pittsburg pa, and its a supre street 5-8 vehicle. hell in the summer ill drive it to work every day and play it musicly as well at 160 dbs . ive seen eds car up close and although there was some controvery on his battery box ed is an stand up competiter and wayne did clear this matter up against a team mate of mine . just adding to the post- jeff
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i agree with ed,no under carriage additions.my reasoning is that if you CHOOSE to build a small vehicle over say a van than make do with YOUR CHOICE.i dont think that batteries will win or lose a competition,BUT it could possibly.if i choose a van over a rabbit or crx i wont cry because his cabin is smaller and is easier to build pressure in.just my thoughts.
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quote:Originally posted by Nutz: well ****....i suppose i'll have to buy a spare car to throw audio equipment in that i can't drive just to be competitive at world finals one year in SS class
No reason to respond to this immature comment.
If you can't run with the Big Boys don't sit their and cry. That won't work either. This has always been the biggest complaint of the forum (to many cry babies).
ok...where was this immature? when did i bash someone? how many times have i honestly "whined" about something on this forum? it sounds to me like you aren't open to other people's interpretations.
you don't know me or my system or the competitions in my state so don't tell me to not sit there and cry if i can't run with "the Big Boys". fact is...i can keep up with the big boys down here that run 4 or more 15's and 4-8 times the power (install install install hehe). i haven't sat around crying...i went back to the drawing board (and checkbook when i could afford it) and improved my system.
and trust me...i've been on this forum as long as you...longer actually so i know what you mean about the cry-babies. however...i am NOT one of them.
i don't see anything wrong with van's in SS (why didn't you include SUV's...lots of interior room there as well)...a vehicle is a vehicle and nowhere in the rules does it say a vehicle cannot be used simply because it is a truck, van, car, or SUV.
i was simply alliterating (look it up if it's beyond you) the need for perhaps more classes at the lower level as Q said. you could take a hint from him in the manner in which he responded to the same thing as you...i wasn't offended by his post. i WAS offended by your post.
but i can see your point about the 5-8 woofer SS vehicles...that is alot of weight no matter what. you could've just said that, i'm not an idiot, i do have the mental capacity to fathom other people's thoughts (i have almost completed my electrical engineering degree...three semesters!!!). after all...i did give my reasoning as to WHY i made that statement, i never said it was fact. just my interpretation of the difference in the classes.
Simply make your point and be considerate about it. you'll get alot more respect out of people that way, trust me.
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Q...thx for the "pro-street" heads-up but i am gonna stay in SS cuz there's only 2-3 db drag events here a year, mostly USAC (mod class for me ) and the people here are doing good if they can do a 150 on the dash legal. people know me when i show up to comps around here
so...i'll just have to do some experimentation and learning for when i get a real job and can afford to throw all the equipment i need into my vehicle you WILL see me at world finals eventually (watch out!!!)...just broke college students don't stand a chance lol (or was that whining too?). one day...ooone day
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Let me rephase this, if you want to call people names because they have an opinion so be it. Lets look who jumped the gun and started this battle......
Its legal so be it. If this is why people think they are losing a show, they need to look into alot more things then where batteries are placed. To be honest I could of easily fit all the equipment in my trunk but The install was much easier with the extra added room. It was also alot safer, because if something was to go wrong I would have access to reach everything instead of watching a vehicle burn in the middle of the convention center.
There is no reason a street legal vehicle can't added a battery box. Just don't make the box to the ground. I know a car that competed 4 years ago that drove around with one under the trunk of his '89 Cutlass. It was their stricly for show. It definitely did not make his car louder.
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I appreciate everyones input on this topic, but wow didn't think it was going to start a fight between some of you. Mr. Nutall, i wasn't pointing a finger at you or anything, i was just making an observation on the topic. I'm glad you did post on this subject since you did have a battery box on your car. That way doesn't look like you were dodgeing the topic or anything.
Now guys lets play nice and move on.
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My first response was in all good faith. That is why I stated I have a battery box. I did not take anything offensive in anyway or feel that a finger was being pointed. Believe me the last couple months of the season their were enough finger pointing and complaints. I feel the subject is more of a learning issue of the rule.
The only thing I feel upset is what I just stated in my last post.
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I do'nt see why you people care if we have cut-outs or not. I mean really why do you care. Is it because someone lost to a person with batt box, that seems to be the reason because I do'nt know why this would come up now. The man said it's o.k. it's not a grey area it's O.K. to do so so what's the problem. I undertand that it cost money to do some of these things and some of you are not willing to take it as far as others. But you can't keep watering down the playing field when ever you get left behind. And yes I do have one of these so-called boxes and I drive my car everyday and to over half of the states. My point is you can't put a limit on everything you do'nt like 'cause your not able or not willing to do it yourself to be competitive. If that was the case you might-as-well limit the size of enclosures or better yet limit the amount and size of amps in a car cause the guy in the next lane has half the power,thats crazy . But I would be cool with a limit on size of the box, a box that extraordinarily big would be to much of a hazard and un safe. . . . . Take care guys im not on here to much so I hope you guys understand what I'm trying to say I'm not much of a writer so be patient when it comes to comprehending this post.
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nutz...your points are well taken. as i stated before, another class to address issues like this would be great but i do understand we can't have a class to suit everyone to perfection. i suppose a bolt-on battery rack wouldn't be too hard to install so that if you had to drive your vehicle everyday you still could.
i will admit i may have gotten a lil over-irritated last nite but i had just gotten some bad news about my gf in MN (had a suicidal dream and the thoughts didn't end when she woke up and she was really scared. she's doing ok now tho...) and was worried about her and stressed out. but i was offended by my comment being called "immature", i just think that it could have been addressed in a more diplomatic manner. i wasn't tryin to call anyone a cheater, was just making a statement to which we are all entitled to.
thx for re-responding in a different manner though. no offense taken in that one.
like i said...by the time i get out of college (next spring) and get a real job i should be able to afford to do crazy stuff to my car and tow it. i WILL be at finals one year
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i did do that...and i can see where someone may have seen whining, agreed, but it was just the opening line. after that i gave my reasoning, i didn't single anyone out or keep complaining.
and i think you meant "keep the *****ing out" instead of "keep the ***** out".
however...apparently you haven't paid any attention to any of my posts on here before because i think i have just as much respect on here as the next guy. i don't remember me starting any flame wars or bashing anyone's products. i don't remember me ever having a big ego and thinking i was better than anyone else here. most of my posts have been in attempts to help other people or ask questions to further my knowledge of the hobby. but if you've seen me complaining alot in other posts then my memory is failing...my apologies. i make one comment on here and i am strung up and labeled a whiner by one person...sheesh! next time i'll just keep my side comments to myself (i meant it in a half kidding kind of way...i'll never see finals for a few years, school first).
but back to the main topic...after further thought on the subject i have to say even tho it isn't legal, it will definitely allow for a possibly louder install (retracted my previous statement) as was said, as long as it's been cleared with wayne before finals it goes, he's the head man.
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ed...got the mail and replied. i now realize what the big deal is all about. i think we had a MAJOR miscommunication as to what i meant with the ****. i will go back and edit the message to reflect my original meaning (which may still sound slightly whining but i'm not retracting my statement as i think it highlights the need for a different class). i apologize for the miscommunication and do see where you were offended.
but i still think that although it may be legal it is a HUGE advantage to those who use it.
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