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I know this should probably be in the rules section but i'd thought i would throw this out to everyone...Now first off I'm not pointing fingers or anything, just observations i made at finals and my thoughts..
As pertaining to the Super Street class. I think that no external additions should be made to a car. And what i mean by this is such things as battery compartments under cars.. I saw a few cars at finals that had this. I thought that the external portions of the car can't be modified or added too. Now to me adding on to the underside of the car is modifying the car just like replacing the glass with lexan and staying in superstreet...I'd say you have to keep it in the vehicle, no adding on to the car. this is just my thought and observation. Would like to hear everyones else's thoughts.
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I like that idea a lot, as a matter of fact I was surprised that I didn't see it enforced at finals because I know they said adding to the top of the car was a no-no
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As per the 2001 rules, the undercarriage of a vehicle is not considered as part of the "skin" of the vehicle. I tend to think of Super Street as being a "Modified" street class. Since this topic pertains to Super Street, I think the undercarriage should be allowed to be "Modified". Sorry Ed, even though I may not agree with you on this issue, I still think you are a great guy.
I do, however, think that there should be a limit to how much the undercarriage can be modified.
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F150, i think the bed of a truck or tool box is fine...doesn't effect the vehicle's possible driving..
Sid, that is cool bro, i appreciate you thoughts...well i to me the undercarriage is the outer skin, that like saying your ass isn't the outer skin since you sit on it.
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quote: like saying your ass isn't the outer skin since you sit on it.
LOL I agree with you. I think it should be limited to mods that are within the confines of the vehicle
ALTHOUGH I did think Shakers ca was real cool.
I wonder if people would start complsining if I put some 36" super swampers on the rear of my car so that I can make room in order to have dB Drags first 100+ cube box!!!
LOL I agree with you. I think it should be limited to mods that are within the confines of the vehicle
ALTHOUGH I did think Shakers ca was real cool.
I wonder if people would start complsining if I put some 36" super swampers on the rear of my car so that I can make room in order to have dB Drags first 100+ cube box!!!
Exactly! There is nothing stopping someone from lifting the vehicle and dropping the box REALLY low to the ground. In fact I wisg I had a SS vehicle! I'd jack ir up a few feet and add a couple dozen batteries and another 800 amp custom built alternator or something like that. Heck, it'll even rest on the ground as to not overload the suspension.
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Something that is confusing to me. A Super Street vehicle is allowed to extend the undercarriage, to allow placement of audio equipment (ie.battieries), but only an extreme vehicle is allowed to have an battery box mounted underneath. What is the difference in extending the undercarriage and mounting a box under the vehicle (besides the obvious)?
Thank you Ed for allowing me to lie awake, thinking about your question. This bout of insomnia is free,but next time, you will be charged.
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DING DING DING...sid you make a great point, I always thought each class is different so most things are obvious different like windshields and whatnot...
adding to the undercarriage and extending the underneath for extreme would seem to me that adding to the bottom of the car for batts or audio in Super Street would be the same as extreme class... I mean i guess i could give the cavaloud a 10inch lift and some mudders so i could have 60 batteries in my car. mmmm that would seem fair..
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quote:Originally posted by Big Ed: I mean i guess i could give the cavaloud a 10inch lift and some mudders so i could have 60 batteries in my car. mmmm that would seem fair.. Big Ed
Naww.. you won't do it Ed... I DARE YOU !!.lol j/k.. I think this is fair. I have seen, Personally, a SS vehicle that had the entire floor dropped several inches, so the enclosure would be bigger. Seeing that i had competed this past season in NW, I am a bit limited on space for all kinds of things... but this i agree with. I mean if you havea van, and cn't fit ALL your batteries INSIDE the vehicle proper.. then you have a problem... it can be done, you just need to look at it differently... SS= NO CUT FLOORS !!!!!!!
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Ok, here is just my thought. The main difference between SS and Ext is the cabin, everything in front of the trailing edge of the door. Just because you have more batteries than the next guy doesn't mean you will be louder. As far as extending for the box, I remember when this exaxt rule was brought up in a discussion with an answer from Wayne. He said the floor could be cut out to accomidate things such as batteries and what not, but can not be cut out to gain more space for the enclosure. Also, the comment about you ass not being part of your outter skin. I don't sit on the undercarrage of my truck. However a great annalogy would be : The undercarrage of your vehicle is like the inside of your mouth, it has no effect on what the outside skin looks like and does not change it's appearance.
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i think that it doesnt matter, and this is why:
i have a caravan, you can fit just about anything in any amount in it that you wish, right? What about people that have to run smaller vehicles? why should i be alloud to have the advantage of running as much as i want when they cant.
also, i dont see Super Street as an extention of the street class, you know why: the majority of Super Street cars (at least the ones loud enough to go to finals) get trailored everywhere. noone bumps at 165 db. Super Street is a cross between Street and Extreme, adapting rules from both divisions.
lastly, i think it would suck if you had already done that to your car and they made a rule against it, because you cant really "un-cut" your floor from the bottom of your car.
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heck ian.. i have one of those "small" cars you are talking about.. so be it... if it says in the rules, LITERAL INTERPRETATION that i cannot cut my floor to make more space for my batteries.. then i will not do it.. I do not believe in bending the rules, or exploiting the grey area. I have pride in what i do, and how i do it.. to me, if I won solely cause a greay area was exploited or cause i "interpreted the rules differently".. then the win would not be a CLEAN win...
that is like you are saying you are teh world champ, you fought lennox lewis and beat him.... BUT>. he had to stop in the middle of the fight, cause he had and appendicitis.. not a clean win.. any drag racer on the qtr mile will tell you they would rather beat someone at the time light, rather than have your opponent break at the line.
a rule is a rule.. i personally think it is black and white as fat as the rules.. if you have to think about how you could "interpret" the rules.. then you are not abiding by the rules.. the rules should be literal.. but this is not a perfect world.. plain and simple.
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Before it was built I had a conversation with Wayne Harris about the Undercarriage of the vehicle. This box was permitted to be added. Now I did not raise the vehicle and I hope no one does to stretch this rolling and possible have the decision reversed.
My main point is Super Street cars are similar to extreme cars. The only difference is the stock cabin space. How many SS cars that were at finals were actually driven. Only a few and if they were they were in an 1-2 class. (may be others but not aware of).
Whether you compete in a little car that needs a battery box or an van that has all the space in the world. Either way the extra batteries are not going to give you a winning edge of the next competitor.
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well poop....i suppose i'll have to buy a spare car to throw audio equipment in that i can't drive just to be competitive at world finals one year in SS class
i always interpreted a SS car as one that had more mods than street but the cabin was still stock unlike extreme but that is still driven everyday.
i know we can't have too many classes or there won't be enough in-class competition...but the idea of putting up my daily driver against a vehicle that isn't and doesn't have to be driven (although still street legal) is unfair imo. i'm not knocking anyone who does this, don't get me wrong. just that i think it's a huge advantage to do mods that would usually make a vehicle a bad daily driver and not have to ever drive it anywhere but into the lanes.
i mean, my car handles bad enough as it is with the small wall and equipment i have in it now...to add ten or fifteen more batteries and add an undercarriage battery rack, etc would make it unbearable as a daily driver. not an option for me....
how to enforce a class where all the vehicles in it ARE REAL daily drivers and not just street legal...interesting as well.
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To me, it doesn't matter if SS vehicles can have an external mod under the vehicle for batts or not, but this does need to be looked at and decided on. Also, I am one of the SS guys that truely drives my car each and every day...even down to finals. (About an 8 hr drive each way.) I will also be driving my car down to FL for spring break. (About 24 hrs each way.) I do understand why guys don't truely drive their SS beasts, but I enjoy it, and will continue even after I add another 18 amps and 6-8 more batts. Then again, maybe I'm just crazy. hehe Maybe have it so that as long as the vehicle can be drivin down the streets and highways (at normal speeds) like a normal vehicle, let it pass? I don't know how you would go about judging it, but it's an idea! lol
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extensions to the bottem of the car shouldnt be done away with just restrict the size of it so everyone has the same advantage so that if you had a van you can only have a certin amount of space under it and if you had a small car it would be the same also. just a few ideas
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quote:Originally posted by Crazy dB Dave: To me, it doesn't matter if SS vehicles can have an external mod under the vehicle for batts or not, but this does need to be looked at and decided on. Also, I am one of the SS guys that truely drives my car each and every day...even down to finals. (About an 8 hr drive each way.) I will also be driving my car down to FL for spring break. (About 24 hrs each way.) I do understand why guys don't truely drive their SS beasts, but I enjoy it, and will continue even after I add another 18 amps and 6-8 more batts. Then again, maybe I'm just crazy. hehe Maybe have it so that as long as the vehicle can be drivin down the streets and highways (at normal speeds) like a normal vehicle, let it pass? I don't know how you would go about judging it, but it's an idea! lol
Your absolutely right Dave ! I also drive my SS 1-2 car everyday and listen Music at a high "Sound Quality Pressure Level (SQPL)" I won´t spend so much time work and money in a car without enjoying it everyday...
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according to the rules in ss class nothing after the door jams can be changed , but i am using a truck so why if i have a cut through do i have to be in super street but you can take up the entire trunk of a car and stay in street class.. i know this is abit confusing but it is abit unfair to me maybe limit the trucks to cubes ..please for give me if this is unclear but i could easily adhear to the same rules for street class in my truck as any car.. but i am open to criticism.
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quote:Originally posted by ianrulz123: the majority of Super Street cars (at least the ones loud enough to go to finals) get trailored everywhere. noone bumps at 165 db.
Actually, Dan Horner DID............
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