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Can you be in Street C, with only 2 12" woofers ?
------ The 2003 rulebook says: · Street B – o 3 to 4 woofers 12-inches in diameter or smaller o OR a pair of woofers that are larger than 12 inches in diameter but no larger than 15-inches in diameter o OR a single woofer that is larger than 15-inches in diameter but no larger than 18-inches in diameter ------
Here its obvious that you couldnt. I think the intention are the same for 2004, but the rulebook says:
------ The 2004 rulebook says: · Street C - o One 18-inch woofer o OR Two 15-inch woofers o OR Four 12-inch woofers o OR Six 10-inch woofers o OR Eight 8-inch woofers
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Shouldnt it be
o One 18-inch woofer o OR Two 15-inch woofers o OR 3 - 4 12-inch woofers o OR 4 - 6 10-inch woofers o OR 5 - 8 8-inch woofers
quote:Originally posted by Lawaetz: Can you be in Street C, with only 2 12" woofers ?
------ The 2003 rulebook says: · Street B – o 3 to 4 woofers 12-inches in diameter or smaller o OR a pair of woofers that are larger than 12 inches in diameter but no larger than 15-inches in diameter o OR a single woofer that is larger than 15-inches in diameter but no larger than 18-inches in diameter ------
Here its obvious that you couldnt. I think the intention are the same for 2004, but the rulebook says:
------ The 2004 rulebook says: · Street C - o One 18-inch woofer o OR Two 15-inch woofers o OR Four 12-inch woofers o OR Six 10-inch woofers o OR Eight 8-inch woofers
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Shouldnt it be
o One 18-inch woofer o OR Two 15-inch woofers o OR 3 - 4 12-inch woofers o OR 4 - 6 10-inch woofers o OR 5 - 8 8-inch woofers
Nope, it means exactly what is typed, if you run 2 12" woofers you are either in Street B or Street Max 1-2.
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quote:Originally posted by Lawaetz: Can you be in Street C, with only 2 12" woofers ?
------ The 2003 rulebook says: · Street B – o 3 to 4 woofers 12-inches in diameter or smaller o OR a pair of woofers that are larger than 12 inches in diameter but no larger than 15-inches in diameter o OR a single woofer that is larger than 15-inches in diameter but no larger than 18-inches in diameter ------
Here its obvious that you couldnt. I think the intention are the same for 2004, but the rulebook says:
------ The 2004 rulebook says: · Street C - o One 18-inch woofer o OR Two 15-inch woofers o OR Four 12-inch woofers o OR Six 10-inch woofers o OR Eight 8-inch woofers
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Shouldnt it be
o One 18-inch woofer o OR Two 15-inch woofers o OR 3 - 4 12-inch woofers o OR 4 - 6 10-inch woofers o OR 5 - 8 8-inch woofers
Nope, it means exactly what is typed, if you run 2 12" woofers you are either in Street B or Street Max 1-2.
Thats what i think also, but.. It says Street B = 2 12" and Street C = 4 12" ! So you cant compete in street, with 3 12" woofers ??
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you make a very valid point! good thing you brought this up? someone on here will be able to answer this. more than likely wayne himself! i'm curious to know to!
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don't you think it is well understood that 3 12s would be in Street C?
it should be adjusted in the rule book, though.
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The way I interpret this, is the number of speakers and size (for street class only) is listed as a maximum limit, and not as a specific quantity.
Since the other classes are seperated by the quantity of speakers used (ie SS1-2 = 1-2 speakers... SS 5+ = 5 or more speakers), and since the street class are not defined by an actual quantity (but a quantity per size), then the determination factor varies between street and non-street classes.
The thing that seperates the various street classes, is the quantity of amplifiers that are able to be used.
So, if one was to include the term "a maximum of" when reading the rules for street class...
Street A Class 1 subwoofer amplifier One 12-inch woofer OR a maximum of two 10-inch woofers OR a maximum of three 8-inch woofers
Street B Class 2 subwoofer amplifiers One 15-inch woofer OR a maximum of Two 12-inch woofers OR a maximum of Three 10-inch woofers OR a maximum of Four 8-inch woofers
Street C Class 4 subwoofer amplifiers One 18-inch woofer OR a maximum of Two 15-inch woofers OR a maximum of Four 12-inch woofers OR a maximum of Six 10-inch woofers OR a maximum of Eight 8-inch woofers
If this is close to the proper interpretation, then yes, you could use two 12's in street C class. Notice that I said "If"...meaning, I am only posting my personal interpretation, and I could be wrong.
quote:Originally posted by jliehr: Nope, it means exactly what is typed, if you run 2 12" woofers you are either in Street B or Street Max 1-2.
Mr. Liehr, something does not seem right. Just because someone uses two 12's instead of two 15's, should not make them have to skip over the street C class, and automatically advance up to the Street Max class.
But, as I stated in my previous post...I could be wrong.
quote:Originally posted by Broken Silence CC - Johnny: I think the rule is perfectly clear.
Please remember that not all competitors have english as their first language, so instead of saying how perfectly clear the rules are, you could have told me how you understood them
How do YOU understand the rule ? Is it a maximum of 4 12" woofers, or is it 3-4 12" woofers, that are allowed ?
If its 3-4, then i dont think the rule are perfectly clear (compared to last years rulebook anyway).
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it is an "up to" meaning from what I have been told by dBSteve.
You could run 2 12s in Street C if you had 4 amps, or an extra battery, or something more than what is allowed in Street B. Also as an example, say you had 2 10s and 2 amps and 1 battery, you could run Street B or Street Max 1-2, whichever you chose.
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quote:Originally posted by Shedluv: it is an "up to" meaning from what I have been told by dBSteve.
You could run 2 12s in Street C if you had 4 amps, or an extra battery, or something more than what is allowed in Street B. Also as an example, say you had 2 10s and 2 amps and 1 battery, you could run Street B or Street Max 1-2, whichever you chose.
This my understanding as well, from Steve.
However, I disagree with it because it allows for ease of moving classes to better serve point chasing. dB Drag before has never had overlapping classes...which I feel is a good thing.
I think this needs to be addressed from the top (aka Wayne).
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quote:Originally posted by Shedluv: You could run 2 12s in Street C if you had 4 amps, or an extra battery, or something more than what is allowed in Street B. Also as an example, say you had 2 10s and 2 amps and 1 battery, you could run Street B or Street Max 1-2, whichever you chose.
This is not how it has been ruled before, classification is by subwoofer number/size and not by amps/batts. If you have 2 12s and 4 amps you have been upped to the corresponding Super Street class depending on number of woofers.
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The 2004 rulebook says. · Street C - o One 18-inch woofer o OR Two 15-inch woofers o OR Four 12-inch woofers o OR Six 10-inch woofers o OR Eight 8-inch woofers
Is the number of woofers a maximum - meaning 1 - 4 pcs. 12" woofers allowed or is it meant to be 3 - 4 pcs. 12" woofers allowed (like last year) or do they need to have the exact numbers of woofers - 4 pcs.12" woofers ?
quote:Originally posted by Shedluv: You could run 2 12s in Street C if you had 4 amps, or an extra battery, or something more than what is allowed in Street B. Also as an example, say you had 2 10s and 2 amps and 1 battery, you could run Street B or Street Max 1-2, whichever you chose.
This is not how it has been ruled before, classification is by subwoofer number/size and not by amps/batts. If you have 2 12s and 4 amps you have been upped to the corresponding Super Street class depending on number of woofers.
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quote:Originally posted by Shedluv: You could run 2 12s in Street C if you had 4 amps, or an extra battery, or something more than what is allowed in Street B. Also as an example, say you had 2 10s and 2 amps and 1 battery, you could run Street B or Street Max 1-2, whichever you chose.
This is not how it has been ruled before, classification is by subwoofer number/size and not by amps/batts. If you have 2 12s and 4 amps you have been upped to the corresponding Super Street class depending on number of woofers.
I disagree. EVERYWHERE I have been competing, if say you had 2 12's and 4 amps you'd be in street C (last year street B.) Period. Unless the no wall rule was violated.
Do not forget that street class has amp, battery, and conductor limitations as well. Breach those and you get bumped.
It has been my experience that the rules for street are maximum you can run.
Another hypothetical - 2 8's and one amp. Are you really going to ask that individual to go in street 1-2 max? I think not. So how is 2 12s and 4 amps any different?
food for thought
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quote:Originally posted by Bumpin' Yota: if say you had 2 12's and 4 amps you'd be in street C (last year street B.) Period. Unless the no wall rule was violated. Steve
that is correct
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quote:Originally posted by Bumpin' Yota: if say you had 2 12's and 4 amps you'd be in street C (last year street B.) Period. Unless the no wall rule was violated. Steve
that is correct
yourself many times put us in NW with 2 subs and and 2 batts...(what is the difference between amps and batts)...they both meet the criteria of street C (last year street B)
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quote:Originally posted by Bumpin' Yota: if say you had 2 12's and 4 amps you'd be in street C (last year street B.) Period. Unless the no wall rule was violated. Steve
that is correct
yourself many times put us in NW with 2 subs and and 2 batts...(what is the difference between amps and batts)...they both meet the criteria of street C (last year street B)
Did you ask him to be in Street B (C this year) or is that just what he ruled to put you in (NW). It is possible that he didn't think about the ability for you to be in Street B with the additional battery. Just thinking here. I know that I really wouldn't have thought to put someone in B with an extra battery, but it is possible.
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quote:Originally posted by Bumpin' Yota: if say you had 2 12's and 4 amps you'd be in street C (last year street B.) Period. Unless the no wall rule was violated. Steve
that is correct
yourself many times put us in NW with 2 subs and and 2 batts...(what is the difference between amps and batts)...they both meet the criteria of street C (last year street B)
because last year the rules said 1-2 12's or 3-4 12's. This year the rules say 'up too' and do not define the # of subs used.
When determining classes for dB Drag you first look at the # of subs.
Last years (2003)rules state:
quote: Street A – A maximum of 2 subwoofer amplifiers may be used. Total subwoofer amplification is limited to a maximum of 4 “non-bridged” output channels or 2 “bridged” output channels. (Please see the definitions section for more detail regarding bridging.)
o 1 to 2 woofers 12-inches in diameter or smaller
· Street B – A maximum of 4 subwoofer amplifiers may be used. Total subwoofer amplification is limited to a maximum of 8 “non-bridged” output channels or 4 “bridged” output channels.
o 3 to 4 woofers 12-inches in diameter or smaller
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