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Have the box height reset to the rear window, or left at the front window height?
I like the idea of the rear window because it would put the measurement point closer to the box making it easier to measure just by looking, and the whole issue of limiting box height seems to revolve around the visibility issue, so as long as the system stays below the rear window, it would be well below the line-of-sight.
How about only those who plan on being in a No Wall class respond...
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I think rear window is good for street class but I think that the rules for no wall should not be touched this year (except for not allowing cargovans) No Wall is good the way it is leave it alone, change the others or leave them it really doesn't matter to me
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I agree that it needs to be moved away from the front windows. I have been to several shows where they didn't even look and I asked them why, and they said it was too hard to measure, and most street boxes were above it anyhow. A lot of the smaller hatchbacks (especially new ones) are put at a serious disadvantage with this ruling as they have up-swept windows. Also vehicles like the older Trackers and the new Ford Pickups, that have the window drop down near the side mirror are at a serious disadvantage also (I have measured and the box in a Tracker can be about 6" tall because of this).
I think that it should be rear side windows or rear window. There would have to be a definite ruling on vehicles like the Mazda MX3 and the CRX since they have a lower tinted see-through part of the window below the main rear window to help with backing and parking.
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I agree that the box should not be measured from the drive or passenger windows. I know that the Dakota P/D windows are lower than the back or rear windows.
Also I think that on a side note that the jumper seat rule in street needs to be looked at. Case in point is the Dakota's it is a rear bench and a high bench at that making a person wanting to run street impossible. unless you want to do a super small box.
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Well, if we change it to the back windows, Scott and I will probably pick up about two cubes.. hehe
I'd prefer to have it at the back windows, it would probably make things easier to regulate that way...but what about vehicles that have no back windows (if there are any)?
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well there aren't any cars with no side windows so I don't see the problem...and there aren't any cars with no windshields so why not make it the height of the windshield? Also this eliminates the problem of people wanting to tint their back windows to protect their $10000 stereo and not being able to because of this rule.
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I agree with Q on this one. Most newer cars and many old ones have the window line getting much higher as it goes back to the rear window. In some cases the rear side windows can be as much as 4" higher at the back most edge than the trailing edge of the front window...
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For vans and vehicles without windows, how many non-cargo vehicles don't have rear windows? I thought that cargo vehicles were out of the street classes. This would only affect no-wall classes then. Maybe if the vehicle has no rear windows, then you must use the lowest of point of the front windows?
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Well I forgot to include one aspect of the 2001 ruling regarding this restriction that seems confusing, - in sedans the box can go up to the rear window, so, at least in the trunk, they have a different standard, and imo, that lends a little bit of an extra level of confusion.
If all vehicles were measured at the height of the rear window, or a set level - maybe 24" - IF they have no windows, it seems to me like this would be more workable, especially for the nubies who have already had their boxes built below their line of visibility, but too high for the Db Drag rules, as I have seen several times at local shows.
Plus, this would give another possible location for mounting an amp, on top of an existing box, which is at least the height of the amp below the rear window. Sid, I hope you're not taking my posts in the wrong tone, we're not 'at odds' from my point of view, just disagreeing at times
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Scott has brought up another good idea, and several others have pointed out possible addendums to his original post. I know I could gain a decent amount of airspace if i could go up to the rear window in the rex, but there is also the question of the clear verticle piece below the rear window. By the 2001 rules, you cant even go up to the glass verticle piece as that would be higher than the front windows and would fail the string test. Either way I am patiently waiting from the word from the head cheese on what my class's rules are gonna be
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quote:Originally posted by Q: Sid, I hope you're not taking my posts in the wrong tone, we're not 'at odds' from my point of view, just disagreeing at times
No, I am simply stating my position on the idea. One of the greatest things about this forum is that people can state thier ideas, make comments, pose suggestions without it becomming a personal battle. It may be true that we (you and I) do not see things in the same way, but at least we are able to view each others ideas without it becomming a "personal" difference. Never (I repeat...NEVER) let my "point of view" interfere with your prime objective. Your ideas are important, it is just that I do not always agree with them. This is not a good thing, nor a bad thing, it is just a difference of opinions. Thank you.
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how about you can build it up to the bottom edge of the highest FULL SIZE window. pick the highest of youy side,front or rear windows....as long as it is a full size window.
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quote:Originally posted by ShockingCanada: well there aren't any cars with no side windows so I don't see the problem...and there aren't any cars with no windshields so why not make it the height of the windshield? Also this eliminates the problem of people wanting to tint their back windows to protect their $10000 stereo and not being able to because of this rule.
If Chrysler releases the PT Panel Cruiser - car, no side windows. no back seats. Is a car (glorified neon), so the cargo/commercial limit wouldn't apply... it's also a hatch.
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And how do we define a full size window? I would go to a show and argue that only the biggest window in the car should be considered "full size" since all other windows are smaller. Leave it AS IS, print the rule book and lets go.
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quote:Originally posted by Johnny-toyo: I think it should be measured at the rear side windows...
Why do you think this? There will always be loopholes! Look at it this way, every non-commercial vehicle has 2 front windows. Not every vehicle has rear windows, and some have very odd rear windows. The front windows WORK! Leave it at that, and keep ALL equipment other than the battery in the cargo area of the vehicle!
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quote:No, I am simply stating my position on the idea. One of the greatest things about this forum is that people can state thier ideas, make comments, pose suggestions without it becomming a personal battle. It may be true that we (you and I) do not see things in the same way, but at least we are able to view each others ideas without it becomming a "personal" difference. Never (I repeat...NEVER) let my "point of view" interfere with your prime objective. Your ideas are important, it is just that I do not always agree with them. This is not a good thing, nor a bad thing, it is just a difference of opinions. Thank you.
