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I talked to a judge for DB Drag at a double point show this weekend. I asked about the whole string test bit for street classes. The question------In a Street car (in this case a CRX) does the string test follow the window line or go from the lowest point in the door back. I was told by a CERTIFIED judge that it followed the windowline. EXAMPLE a Ford Focus. If you go by lowest point in the door there is little to NO room for a box. But if you follow windowline you can actually fit a decent sized box in it.
Now the point of this is to get everyone on the same page. Right now I have a judge from the midwest saying this is WRONG.
Now Steve and David what is the final answer????
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Rule states LOWEST point..mentions NOTHING about following the window line
That is how I read it
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Wall Test – Two judges position themselves on opposite sides of the vehicle. A string (or wire) is passed through the open window on the driver’s side, through the interior of the vehicle, and out of the open window on the passenger side of the vehicle. Both judges should then pull the string so that it is taught while resting against the lowest point on the top of the 2 doors (where the glass enters the door frame). If the enclosure in question does not exceed the height of this string, then the enclosure is not considered to be a wall. If any part of the enclosure exceeds the height of the string, then the enclosure is considered a wall.
I see nothing that states "following along" the line of the window. It is and has always been the absolute lowest point of the front windows. I suppose to clear up clarification when the judges do this test with the string you could sit a long bubble level used in carpentry on top of the line and have it rest on top of the box, if the bubble is to the front of the car from center, then its fine, if it is not, then it is a wall. This is how I have always tested my enclosures, using a 4 foot long level purchased from Wal-Mart.
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quote:Originally posted by Shedluv: I suppose to clear up clarification when the judges do this test with the string you could sit a long bubble level used in carpentry on top of the line and have it rest on top of the box, if the bubble is to the front of the car from center, then its fine, if it is not, then it is a wall. This is how I have always tested my enclosures, using a 4 foot long level purchased from Wal-Mart.
What if the rear end is higher than the front end? not all cars sit level. What if the front of the car is on a slight incline? or the rear?
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I'm NOT arguing with the rules. I understand them. I've read them. I own a copy of them. I have always built to these rules. I just want to be judged on the same plane as everyone else. I don't think it's right that I could move to a different state and build my CRX boxes 2 inches taller. I just want to take care of this before it snowballs. I knew that people were doing things different and I DO NOT want to be veiwed as the bad guy that argues when all I want is a level playing field. And Steve I'm sorry if I offended you. That was not my intentions at all. MY intentions were for you to read this jump in your trusty rolodex and call everyone and set them straight. Cause I know you are VERY good at what you do. Now that I have said that...I apologize again if I made you upset. It's getting a little late in the year for there to be different interpretations of the rules. The sooner this is solved the better off we all are.
Last but not least this is Al NOT Bran. I sat down and replied without looking at the name.
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I think this needs to be looked at because someone could lower the rear of their car and run a bigger box if that is how the rules are followed. I know that in my Jeep grand cherokee I can only run 17" tall with the window test but I can run 19" under the window line. I know the rule was created for vehicles with no rear windows and I know it has a purpose.
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quote:Originally posted by ss454: I think this needs to be looked at because someone could lower the rear of their car and run a bigger box if that is how the rules are followed.
The second paragraph of the rules, covers such an activity...
quote:The dB Drag Racing Association (dBDRA) has gone to great lengths to ensure that the rules for competing in dB Drag Racing are as comprehensive and unambiguous as possible. Even so, there will invariably be times when a particular application or installation will fall outside the scope of this rulebook. When those occasions arise, it is the responsibility of the head judge to make a determination as to whether the incident in question abides by the “spirit” of dB Drag Racing competition. As a competitor, it is your responsibility to understand the rules contained in this book and to abide by any decisions rendered by the head judge.
quote:Originally posted by Shedluv: I suppose to clear up clarification when the judges do this test with the string you could sit a long bubble level used in carpentry on top of the line and have it rest on top of the box, if the bubble is to the front of the car from center, then its fine, if it is not, then it is a wall. This is how I have always tested my enclosures, using a 4 foot long level purchased from Wal-Mart.
What if the rear end is higher than the front end? not all cars sit level. What if the front of the car is on a slight incline? or the rear?
The test would of course be performed on level ground as much as possible. Most parking lots that dBDrag's are held in have level spot somewhere.
I agree with the "intent" portion of the rules covering raising or lowering the car significantly. I can just see it now, a CRX with the rear end scraping and the front end with a 6 inch lift.
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I personally know what is meant by the "spirit" of competition and I also know that some people don't care about that and will do whatever it takes.
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Does that mean that a 2/4, 4/6, 5/7, or practically any other drop kit available for purchase for an SUV would be against the rules if you built your box without taking that into consideration? Practically any drop kit drops the back more than the front to level out the vehicle. I don't compete, but I am curious. Perhaps the rear of a dropped vehicle could be parked on 2x6's before the measuring takes place? Of course, whose to say the difference in front/rear drop is 2" and not 1" or 5" or nothing at all? Just some thoughts I had while reading this topic...
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My crx is raised in the rear about 2.5 inches to help hold the weight and it rides better for long drives. I had a box that was 13.25 which was under the string test b4 the lift. So now I have to make them 12.5 tall to clear the string by plenty which I think is bogus. Can people sit on your back end while the string test is performed, or I could just put on my stock 13" rims on the back and have even more room?!?
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I have a first gen CRX and don't see how lowering the rear end would help at all. If you shoot a laser level(home depot about $40.00) across the box to the top of the door it either breaks the plane or it doesn't. Does not matter what the angle is. Same with a string. I don't see what the debate is about it is not difficult thing to check.
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