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I have asked this question on the open forum and I have tried emaling several mods .....and nothing,no response and yes it is getting a bit frustrating when someone asks a simple question and no one bothers to respond. And please no spam responses or flame,just some i n f o r m a t i o n. I notice that the rules state that for Street-A a maximum thickness is that of 4 MM for sound dampening. However all that I see use polyurethane or a tarbased susbstrate like Dynamat. What about: MDF powder,glue and newspapers? Ground up leather items,glue and MDF powder? Melting down disposable razors and plastic milk jugs? Melting down other items and mixing them to obtain a 4 MM thick layer?
And what about adding ripples to keep the mixture thickness at 4mm at measured points yet with the ripples giving structural integrity like a space shuttle wing composite?
Thank you. Russell E. Burrows.
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this is a ? for this section, maybe thats why no one answered, also it is kind of a wierd question. this is a great question for wayne, sam horn, dbsteve and other head judges, I would email them, I am sure you will get a response
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I emailed Wayne,in 2002 and still waiting on a response. Tried DB DON and no response. Tried reporting the post and still waiting. If you can recommend someone that will respond I will be very thank full if only to try to place this question to rest before the 2004 rules come up. Thank you Russell E. Burrows.
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I would think the rule would be that you can purchase dampening products,(Dynamat,Monkey Hair) but I'm not to sure if making your own out of any of the above items would be considered legal.
I mean who's to tell whats really inside your mixture (Not calling you a liar) and I think its there you run into problems.
I'm not a Judge yet (Come on 2004 Season!!!) and this is only my opinion.
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The answers are already defined in the rules...
quote:Sound damping materials may be used to reduce vibration when installed in accordance with the manufacturer’s recommended installation instructions.
quote:The maximum total thickness of sound damping material applied at a given point may not exceed 5/32 inch (4mm). The sound damping application may consist of mat-type material, spray-on material, or a combination of the two. A maximum of 2 layers of mat-type material may be used in any application, even if the total thickness of the sound damping material(s) is less than 5/32 inch (4mm).
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A drill bit can find out real quick what is "inside" and at 4 MM thick or say we say thin? Who cares what is "inside". I want something new and Dynamat and polyurethane products are a bit of a bore by now. How about a powdered bone and glue mix? Thank you. Russell E. Burrows.
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quote:Originally posted by Sid Grice: The answers are already defined in the rules...
quote:Sound damping materials may be used to reduce vibration when installed in accordance with the manufacturer’s recommended installation instructions.
quote:The maximum total thickness of sound damping material applied at a given point may not exceed 5/32 inch (4mm). The sound damping application may consist of mat-type material, spray-on material, or a combination of the two. A maximum of 2 layers of mat-type material may be used in any application, even if the total thickness of the sound damping material(s) is less than 5/32 inch (4mm).
Thank you. Sid Grice.
So the basic question is what are my placement instructions as I am going to be manufacturing this? As I see no rule clarification as to size and number of workers in manufacturer specs?
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quote:Originally posted by russellburrows: So the basic question is what are my placement instructions as I am going to be manufacturing this? As I see no rule clarification as to size and number of workers in manufacturer specs? [/QB]
Ok, now i think you've been smelling all that crap your melting.
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And "you" want to be a judge? I do not remember asking for impolite and rude remarks. I seem to recall that many of your posts have one of these components. And I have never been disrespectfull towards you and if you are expecting to be a judge then you have to learn that you have to be polite towards others if you expect them to be polite to you and respect you. Thank you. Russell E. Burrows.
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And "you" want to be a judge? I do not remember asking for impolite and rude remarks. I seem to recall that many of your posts have one of these components. And I have never been disrespectfull towards you and if you are expecting to be a judge then you have to learn that you have to be polite towards others if you expect them to be polite to you and respect you. Thank you. Russell E. Burrows.
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quote:Section 5 – Auto Sound Equipment Regulations
All of the auto sound equipment used in the competitor’s sound system must satisfy the following guidelines:
5-1 All auto sound equipment must be designed for installation and operation in a 12-Volt auto sound environment.
5-2 All auto sound equipment must be (or have been) commercially available. The determination as to whether a product is (or was) commercially available shall be at the sole discretion of the dBDRA.
Additional Guidelines:
· Equipment must be available for purchase through legitimate auto sound retailers. For clarification purposes, the dBDRA defines a legitimate retailer as any business that is legally licensed to conduct auto sound related transactions, operates a retail establishment that is open for business at least 40 hours per week, and is a factory authorized dealer for the equipment in question.
With these regulations set forth for active equipment (amps, speakers, etc.), the same would apply to passive equipment (dampener, wire, connections). If you desire to manufacture a new product, then by all means do so. But make it marketable, and have retailers carry your product in their store.
PS. If you think you have something better than what is available on the market today, might I suggest you try to patent it and then sell the rights to manufacturers who are already established. This way, you could still use the product (if they buy the rights) and you would be out less money and hassle.
PPS. If you are wanting to manufacture something for your personal use, and not market it for public consumption, then it no longer can be classified as a manufactured product, but rather just another substance of unknown origin.
quote:Section 5 – Auto Sound Equipment Regulations
All of the auto sound equipment used in the competitor’s sound system must satisfy the following guidelines:
5-1 All auto sound equipment must be designed for installation and operation in a 12-Volt auto sound environment.
5-2 All auto sound equipment must be (or have been) commercially available. The determination as to whether a product is (or was) commercially available shall be at the sole discretion of the dBDRA.
Additional Guidelines:
· Equipment must be available for purchase through legitimate auto sound retailers. For clarification purposes, the dBDRA defines a legitimate retailer as any business that is legally licensed to conduct auto sound related transactions, operates a retail establishment that is open for business at least 40 hours per week, and is a factory authorized dealer for the equipment in question.
With these regulations set forth for active equipment (amps, speakers, etc.), the same would apply to passive equipment (dampener, wire, connections). If you desire to manufacture a new product, then by all means do so. But make it marketable, and have retailers carry your product in their store.
PS. If you think you have something better than what is available on the market today, might I suggest you try to patent it and then sell the rights to manufacturers who are already established. This way, you could still use the product (if they buy the rights) and you would be out less money and hassle.
PPS. If you are wanting to manufacture something for your personal use, and not market it for public consumption, then it no longer can be classified as a manufactured product, but rather just another substance of unknown origin.
Sid Grice.
Thank you. I will see what can be patented or check on a patent pending registration. Once again. Thank you. Russell E. Burrows.
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Maybe an example of what I mean(and no,the product is not a floormat) A floormat fits all of the above yet if we use it glued to the doors and other parts of the interior of the vehicle,it is thinner than 4 MM,it is only a single layer and it out performs the available Dynamat,but,the floormat is sold as a floormat,yet the question is are we adding a new use to an existing product or are we creating a new product? Thank you. Russell E. Burrows.
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I do not think this would be legal just as you are looking at it as a loophole in the rules that at a 90 degree measurement to the material it is less than 4 mm if you measure the length of the bend (or 0 degrees to the material) that could also be considered the thickness of the material then it would be thicker that 4mm.
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The maximum total thickness of sound damping material applied at a given point may not exceed 5/32 inch (4mm).
First off, this material doesn't even exsist. If there was even a question at all it should be refering to something already in productions and available commercially.
If you want to manufacture a material such as this ... for some reason I think the opinions of this forum would be the LAST place I would do my R&D. As good as they may be ... I would think a manufacture looking to make a profit would 'hire out' some sort of marketing firm to do the R&D.
As of the 2003 rules, this 'hypethetical material' would be illegal. As would a 2x4 stretcher, blinker fluid and muffler bearings
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quote:Originally posted by russellburrows: And "you" want to be a judge? I do not remember asking for impolite and rude remarks. I seem to recall that many of your posts have one of these components. And I have never been disrespectfull towards you and if you are expecting to be a judge then you have to learn that you have to be polite towards others if you expect them to be polite to you and respect you. Thank you. Russell E. Burrows.
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