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Originally posted by KedaSPL:
Steve,
If you guys would build the tower a little faster, you would have more time to inspect vehicles!!!


J/K

See you in Nashville!

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Tell me about it ... if we could get David and Sam there before noon on Friday it might happen j/k guys

'IF' the little tower is there, I will be there to set it up at 8am on Friday. Hopefully it can be done so we can start inspecting starting at noon. I'll do what ever it takes to make sure everything is done on friday.

I'm game ... anyone else?

Sam, as far as a party goes, are you talkin' about finals?

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Originally posted by PHILESTER:
to all the judges out there, lets make sure we are inspecting for batcaps....hint hint street class!!!

phil

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WORD! I totally agree with this. I know its hard to do sometimes but maybe the judges could follow the power wire and make sure that all competitiors make it easy to do as a requirement. You never know whats going on in the unchecked places of a street car. Unfortunately some will get the same enjoyment out of cheating and winning as they would if they had done it legally

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Originally posted by PHILESTER:
to all the judges out there, lets make sure we are inspecting for batcaps....hint hint street class!!!

phil

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WORD! I totally agree with this. I know its hard to do sometimes but maybe the judges could follow the power wire and make sure that all competitiors make it easy to do as a requirement. You never know whats going on in the unchecked places of a street car. Unfortunately some will get the same enjoyment out of cheating and winning as they would if they had done it legally

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I would be great if during the friday night inspection that all street cars have their power wire exposed. yes this would mean pulling up some carpet and moving boxes around, but this would surely help things out.

you would have the rest of friday night and saturday morning to 'retuck' your carpet.

I'm sure those that are legal wouldn't have a problem with this.

But you say ... what if they install a cap after we inspect. Well, one sure way is when inspecting the power wire, see if there is any joints or connections already made under the carpet. Reason for a joint, would be to easliy attach a cap after the judge is left.

If its a solid wire from front to rear, they would have to cut the wire and install it, which would take alittle more time and draw some attention to themselves.

If a vehicle is found to have a joint or a distribution block under the carpet, then that vehicle would be inspected in the lanes.

I would like to see judges use a color code system in the lanes. A color would represent an 'issue' to look at. Lanes judges are really busy and this would help them to make sure they look at potential areas.

Example: If its an electrical issue that has been questioned with a certain vehicle ... then that vehicle would have a red mark on the back side of the dash form.

This year hopefully on the back of the dash form will be a place for competitors to list equipment being used. We could easliy mark the back side with a color marker or just have check boxes for what to look for. IE: Electrical, Box Placement, Seating Position, CD.

Something like this would not be pointing fingers at certain competitors. We all know you guys do that enough .

I'll use Kevin as an example: Mondo Bass claims Kevin has a bat cap. We inspected his vehicle the night before and found a distribution block under his seat ( for what ever reason ). On the back of Kevin's dash form we would make a colored mark, or a check in a box next to the area to look at.

As Kevin pulls up into the lanes to qualify, the lane judge would remove the dash form and varify person's name, class and equipment in the vehicle. During qualifying, the place for equipment is left blank. The lane judge would fill in the type of equipment being used for qualifying ( or the competitor could have it filled out and the lane judge would double check ) and the judge would sign off on it. The lane judge sees the 'check electrical system' box marked and would remember that there was an issue last night. Kevin would have to expose the distribution block again to make sure everything is ok.

The next day, during eliminations ( if he make it that far ) when he pulls into the lanes, the lane judge would once again pull the dash form from the vehicle and double check the equipment. Lets say Kevin had equiment problems the day before and he had to switch out equiment. The judge noticed he no longer has 4 - 12's but 2 - 15's ... that wouldn't be equivalent replacement so there would be an issue.

With Street being the way it is, there are alot of rules and things we have to look for. Anything we can do to help insure that people are being fare and honest will help.

These are just some ideas ...

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Originally posted by PHILESTER:
to all the judges out there, lets make sure we are inspecting for batcaps....hint hint street class!!!

phil

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WORD! I totally agree with this. I know its hard to do sometimes but maybe the judges could follow the power wire and make sure that all competitiors make it easy to do as a requirement. You never know whats going on in the unchecked places of a street car. Unfortunately some will get the same enjoyment out of cheating and winning as they would if they had done it legally

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I would be great if during the friday night inspection that all street cars have their power wire exposed. yes this would mean pulling up some carpet and moving boxes around, but this would surely help things out.

you would have the rest of friday night and saturday morning to 'retuck' your carpet.

I'm sure those that are legal wouldn't have a problem with this.

But you say ... what if they install a cap after we inspect. Well, one sure way is when inspecting the power wire, see if there is any joints or connections already made under the carpet. Reason for a joint, would be to easliy attach a cap after the judge is left.

If its a solid wire from front to rear, they would have to cut the wire and install it, which would take alittle more time and draw some attention to themselves.

If a vehicle is found to have a joint or a distribution block under the carpet, then that vehicle would be inspected in the lanes.

I would like to see judges use a color code system in the lanes. A color would represent an 'issue' to look at. Lanes judges are really busy and this would help them to make sure they look at potential areas.

Example: If its an electrical issue that has been questioned with a certain vehicle ... then that vehicle would have a red mark on the back side of the dash form.

This year hopefully on the back of the dash form will be a place for competitors to list equipment being used. We could easliy mark the back side with a color marker or just have check boxes for what to look for. IE: Electrical, Box Placement, Seating Position, CD.

Something like this would not be pointing fingers at certain competitors. We all know you guys do that enough .

I'll use Kevin as an example: Mondo Bass claims Kevin has a bat cap. We inspected his vehicle the night before and found a distribution block under his seat ( for what ever reason ). On the back of Kevin's dash form we would make a colored mark, or a check in a box next to the area to look at.

As Kevin pulls up into the lanes to qualify, the lane judge would remove the dash form and varify person's name, class and equipment in the vehicle. During qualifying, the place for equipment is left blank. The lane judge would fill in the type of equipment being used for qualifying ( or the competitor could have it filled out and the lane judge would double check ) and the judge would sign off on it. The lane judge sees the 'check electrical system' box marked and would remember that there was an issue last night. Kevin would have to expose the distribution block again to make sure everything is ok.

The next day, during eliminations ( if he make it that far ) when he pulls into the lanes, the lane judge would once again pull the dash form from the vehicle and double check the equipment. Lets say Kevin had equiment problems the day before and he had to switch out equiment. The judge noticed he no longer has 4 - 12's but 2 - 15's ... that wouldn't be equivalent replacement so there would be an issue.

With Street being the way it is, there are alot of rules and things we have to look for. Anything we can do to help insure that people are being fare and honest will help.

These are just some ideas ...

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That is a good solution, Steve. But lets say there is a battery in question? Could we do my solution and Knife it up Of course the protester would pay for the NEW! Battery ?

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Originally posted by DESTROYER 2:
That is a good solution, Steve. But lets say there is a battery in question? Could we do my solution and Knife it up Of course the protester would pay for the NEW! Battery ?

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Originally posted by DESTROYER 2:
That is a good solution, Steve. But lets say there is a battery in question? Could we do my solution and Knife it up Of course the protester would pay for the NEW! Battery ?

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I would assume your refering to Batcaps being hidden in stock looking batteries.

I am not familiar alot with this ... would some of you be kind enough to tell me a good way to look for this without tearing up someones vehicile.

I always thought a batcap was only good if the vehicle was running ...
Also, wouldn't a voltage test be good in this situation?
I am also not sure if the vehicles will be required to start before and/or after the run. This may be a Wayne question.

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In all Fairness, I would like to see this issue Addressed.

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Originally posted by Shedluv:
One thing to look at as well is to check the power wire going into the amplifier. Put a mulitmeter on it and set it for MINIMUM hold. If a competitor running over 4000 watts has a voltage drop of less than 0.5 V during a burp, then there's something else there. Even with 1700s and miles of 1/0 cable, almost all vehicles running 4000 watts or more should drop down into the 11s for voltage. That could be an easy way to check a vehicle that you "question" but can't find anything.

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I think inspection at finals is a great idea if the man power is there to do it.
I have one 1700 and about 4000 mrs and I never drop below 12 on a 3 second burp, so this theory won't work too well.

I'm not aware of people using batcaps, but I would love to know who is/was trying to do it, even a hint will work..lol

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