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I see plenty of posts that are complimentary toward trunk scores and wonder why it is such an event. Most of the "trunk" cars I have seen have fold down rear seats allowing the box and port to fire into the cabin. I understand building the box is more detailed and sealing the trunk from the cabin is work. At the same time hatchbacks have some obstacles to overcome as well, such as the rear hatch itself.
Not trying to irk anyone just bored out of my mind and thought I would post something that would stir up a good debate. Posts: 1674 | From: Michigan | Registered: Nov 2002
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99% of the time, a hatchback offers more transfer function gain than a trunk. To get the same score out of both cars, it takes alot more work on the trunk car. There are of course exceptions....
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I can not tell you how much I agree with you.
Its not anymore impressive to me that a trunk got loud if it has a fold down backseat, than a CRX or other hatch.
I personally have built a box in a sunfire with 2 DD 10s and 2000watts and it did a 154 on the old meter, and it wasnt that hard at all to tell you the truth, trunk cars with fold down seats are just loud in general.
I think that everyone who builds vehicles in the Street class that are very loud deserves the same amount of respect. I have a 4-Door Explorer that I could fit most of the cars that compete in street inside of it. But I dont think I deserve anymore respect or pats on the back than the other guys that are getting loud.
Any car, and I mean any car has the potential to be loud, and many can be very loud. There are very few exceptions to certain vehicles that have a destinct advantage, very few.
So all in all, trunk with fold down back seat, 4-Door Explorer, CRX, whatever works, all have advantages, all have diadvantages, none are more impressive than the other, if your loud your loud, PERIOD!
Just my .02
Eric
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I'm sure this was directed towards me, so since the ball is in my court I'll run with it for a sec.
Personally, I never asked for any attention, nor do I brag about my numbers or what I have done with the Neon. I think that I may have gotten some attention because it is one of "few" vehicles out there that doesn't use a "copied" design that has just been tweaked in some minor fashion. It took alot of time and effort just as any vehicle takes to trully be competitive. I agree that all competitors that make finals deserve the same amount of recognition. Sometimes some get more than others and sometimes not. I know that in my application I am "SEVERLY" limited on enclosure volume and only wish I had more airspace. The name of the game in street is to get your "Daily Driver" as loud as possible. Not go buy a vehicle strictly for competition. So you make due with what you have. Some vehicles take more time and effort to get loud than others and I do know this for sure. The CRX has the advantage of having a very small cabin to pressurize and a hatch to load off of, yet have a fairly small area to build in. Most trunk cars have a very small area to build in and have a bit larger cabin to pressurize. The Explorer/SUV has alot of area to pressurize but also has a large cargo area to build in. These all come into play during design etc and with the right combo, equipment and effort....you will have what it takes to get the invite to finals. Oh yeah, forgot to add that we all need a little luck in this hobby we love.
"Any car, and I mean any car has the potential to be loud, and many can be very loud. There are very few exceptions to certain vehicles that have a destinct advantage, very few." Eric was right on point when he said this. I believe there are advantages and disadvantages to each and every vehicle. Only a few have a true advantage over the rest....and they aren't in the states. Good luck to everyone and I hope I didn't offend anyone.
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Beer's on me mike I think its more work making a trunk car louder or as loud a crx/suv/exp/etc. Hatchbacks have more of an installation advantage.I give more credit and awe to "trunk" competitors who make the cut for finals.
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Back in 02 my girlfriend said I had to make a choice between her and DB Drag....I told that b-tch I've made harder decisions at the Coke machine. Posts: 4017 | From: Suitland,MD USA | Registered: Sep 2001
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"Any car, and I mean any car has the potential to be loud, and many can be very loud. There are very few exceptions to certain vehicles that have a destinct advantage, very few."
Well I have 2 dailey drivers, me and my wife's car, and No matter how much work I could do on them, neither of them have the potential to make it to finals. 93 prelude(mine) has no fold down seats and no rear deck area to even cut out. Wifes car 4 door focus, no way!
"The name of the game in street is to get your "Daily Driver" as loud as possible. Not go buy a vehicle strictly for competition" So yes, I had to buy a different car to play the game. And I find that statement is slightly offensive. I will admit the crx is already doing 1/2 the work for me, but the other 1/2 is pretty hard.
But people doing the #'s with out a "nonback seater" car do deserve props. It's much harder
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why is it such a big deal? because one day, long ago, a wise competitor designed a box that worked really well in a crx and gave him an edge in spl competition. that competitor also let the world know about his design and very soon afterwards, the spl lanes became overpopulated with crx's with the same design enclosure. some tried to change the port a little, but in their heart, they knew good and well it was still the same design. then one day, another wise competitor built an even more effiecient dsign in a caravan that blew the crx design away. then, the caravan became a big deal, and some sold or retired their crx's for caravans. eventually, that box/vehicle alignment was outlawed in dbdragracing. so now we all go back to our crx's. until one day, a team of wise competitors builds a dodge neon that has the ability to match even the loudest of the crx's. so now, people tend to make a big deal over that fact. it's not mike stiers fault, two years ago, he was posting 144's. he gained 13db because he had the dedication it takes to win. it has nothing to do with the type of vehicle he has. trust me, if anything, the fact that it is a trunk car is killing him. i feel that if he were to go out and buy a crx, the few people who are louder than him right now would be in trouble. any vehicle can be louder with the right amount of dedication. you don't need all the carbon copy boxes, body mods, and batcaps inside of real battery cases. sure all those things may help, but in the long run, the right dedication wins all. i may have offended some people with my reply, but i am just telling it like it is. and sometimes the truth does hurt.
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Like eric said, every car has advantages and disadvantegs. Me, i am really limited on airspace and the entire car flexs. SOme cars are built like tanks and have enough airspace for anything.
quote:Originally posted by Geo-X: why is it such a big deal? because one day, long ago, a wise competitor designed a box that worked really well in a crx and gave him an edge in spl competition. that competitor also let the world know about his design and very soon afterwards, the spl lanes became overpopulated with crx's with the same design enclosure. some tried to change the port a little, but in their heart, they knew good and well it was still the same design. then one day, another wise competitor built an even more effiecient dsign in a caravan that blew the crx design away. then, the caravan became a big deal, and some sold or retired their crx's for caravans. eventually, that box/vehicle alignment was outlawed in dbdragracing. so now we all go back to our crx's. until one day, a team of wise competitors builds a dodge neon that has the ability to match even the loudest of the crx's. so now, people tend to make a big deal over that fact. it's not mike stiers fault, two years ago, he was posting 144's. he gained 13db because he had the dedication it takes to win. it has nothing to do with the type of vehicle he has. trust me, if anything, the fact that it is a trunk car is killing him. i feel that if he were to go out and buy a crx, the few people who are louder than him right now would be in trouble. any vehicle can be louder with the right amount of dedication. you don't need all the carbon copy boxes, body mods, and batcaps inside of real battery cases. sure all those things may help, but in the long run, the right dedication wins all. i may have offended some people with my reply, but i am just telling it like it is. and sometimes the truth does hurt.
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does anyone have tip's? i have a 2002 sunfire so far im doing 149 on the old mic's and 142 on the new one's. i have a single re se 12" facing into the car and 2 layers of brown bread on the back deck and around the box. i know it's not 100% sealed but it's better then the sub just facing into the car.
the box is 3 cubic feet and 48" of port tuned to 42 hz(peek's at 46)
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Well I still think its damn impressive Truthfully though, Eric is right. I've had my Grand Prix doing a 157, people have seen it and a 154 on the dash with 2 12L7s and a 4KW. This is a 4 door trunk car with a huge area to pressurize and leather. The back seat doesn't fold down so I had to take it out so I guess it really wasn't "street legal." But the point is that you can make any car loud, sometimes people are just to lazy to try hard enough to get it there. That is why Mikes numbers are so impressive, he didn't just go buy a CRX and think he could make it loud. But to that point. Think about this. If CRXs are so easy to get loud, then why are me and Carlos like 2db ahead of the rest of Street B right now. And why do others find it so hard to break 150 in Street A with all the CRXs and EXPs. I'm not being ****y with this so please, noone take it that way. My point is, obviously there is something going on that is making us louder than the rest so Eric is definately right in that respect. Another point to look at. Super Street has vans, almost everyone has a van but no one complains or says they have an advantage or yada yada. We know all the Super STreet vehicles aren't the same. But back to the original post. Mike, I mean "trunk cars" , that are loud are very impressive.
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quote:I'm sure this was directed towards me, so since the ball is in my court I'll run with it for a sec.
Not the case at all, I see you have a trunk car so I guess it applies but then again, plenty of trunk cars going around. I was making a reference to a few local shows where people get crazy when a "trunk" car does a high number. That and I was bored! Took long enough for some replies!!!
I did notice you like to point out people that buy a car just for db drag. Last time I checked the rules it didn't specify that you needed to use it as a "daily driver". That is offensive, I have 5 vehicles and I don't drive any of them daily.
By the way I would have to agree, you do put up some nice numbers.
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Fourbanger and Tim: I in no way intended to offend either of you. All of us have opinions and sometimes when asked to share others may not like the result. Fourbanger, I am no were near the OK, but I hope to meet you at finals. Tim, I hope to talk with you at a local show here soon and maybe we can smooth things over. I know pretty much everyone in Ill, OH. MI, and PA. Even when not competing I enjoy meeting and hanging with everyone and since I know you're a friend of Norris....I'm sure you're a blast. It's difficult to understand what someone else is typing and what they really mean sometimes. I'm not out to make enemies in this sport, only enjoy myself and make friends. I just took this post as a cheap shot in response to some of the recent posts.
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I'm not really offended i'm just out to have a good time. If I can get to finals great otherwise I will go and watch. I must admit it has turned out to be alot more work than I thought! I can see your point on the post also.
Now I have to go load my CRX on the trailer for a show. Damn, I seem to meet all the stereotypes don't I?
Where did I see that Neon for sale the other day? Posts: 1674 | From: Michigan | Registered: Nov 2002
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quote: you don't need all the carbon copy boxes, body mods, and batcaps inside of real battery cases. sure all those things may help, but in the long run, the right dedication wins all. i may have offended some people with my reply, but i am just telling it like it is. and sometimes the truth does hurt.
Can some one tell me what is ment by this (batcaps inside of real ........ ) I think it is a big "fist in the eye" if some one cheat like others like my self try and build there cars by the rules, you know if I would put that batcap set up on my system my amps would proform better and maybe do 153-154db but no I did not chose that path. At the EUROP Spring Break Sam Horn toke a look at my car and you know what he did when he was,.......? He give me his hand and said "very nice work", every thing was by the rule book. I know of alot comp. over here that bend or try to bend the rules, but be sure of it, if we are at the same event and you have some thing that is not in place ...beleve you me I can make a big seen on it....there is a rule book, not ot brake it, but to go by the book. I hope that my post did not sound in a bad way, just wanted to add my idea to all the rule benders.........
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quote:Originally posted by Mike_Stiers: Fourbanger and Tim: I in no way intended to offend either of you. All of us have opinions and sometimes when asked to share others may not like the result. Fourbanger, I am no were near the OK, but I hope to meet you at finals. Tim, I hope to talk with you at a local show here soon and maybe we can smooth things over. I know pretty much everyone in Ill, OH. MI, and PA. Even when not competing I enjoy meeting and hanging with everyone and since I know you're a friend of Norris....I'm sure you're a blast. It's difficult to understand what someone else is typing and what they really mean sometimes. I'm not out to make enemies in this sport, only enjoy myself and make friends. I just took this post as a cheap shot in response to some of the recent posts.
Nah, you didn't really offend me, I'm just jealous I can barely break a 50 in my crx. I hope to see you at finals and keep up the good work.
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You........What about the Super Street guys that are going to be posting LOWER scores than the Street classes. Talk about wanting to be loud!!!!!!!!! I'm tired of being quiet. And the CRX .............man don't even get me started on Bran's POS CRX. It would be easier to get a ......Never mind. For those of you who think it's easy to get a CRX loud----I give you props cause obviously if you think that then you've done it. If you haven't tried it.....trust me I know it's MUCH MUCH harder than you think. My girl runs one and it is very very difficult to break that 150 barrier. Right now I think it's impossible. Pretty soon though it will be louder than the Bronco-----Since the Bronco gets quieter and quieter every passing day. I'll be lucky to do a 140 by years end.
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