Looking straight into the vehicle. Level with the earth. [/QB][/QUOTE]
So you would be squatting a little to look into the vehicle? Not just standing straight up, right against the hood, looking down onto the windsheild? I am just trying to make sure how this rule is judged exactly... [/QB][/QUOTE]
Now this is getting alittle picky, Not every vehicle is the same height but I assume he is standing where he has a clear,level view and really wouldn't have to be bending. I think if you stand about 5 feet from any vehicle you can pretty much get the view you want and you must remember Judges come in all differant sizes.
Looking straight into the vehicle. Level with the earth.
So you would be squatting a little to look into the vehicle? Not just standing straight up, right against the hood, looking down onto the windsheild? I am just trying to make sure how this rule is judged exactly... [/QB][/QUOTE]
Now this is getting alittle picky, Not every vehicle is the same height but I assume he is standing where he has a clear,level view and really wouldn't have to be bending. I think if you stand about 5 feet from any vehicle you can pretty much get the view you want and you must remember Judges come in all differant sizes. [/QB][/QUOTE]
I am not trying to be picky,just trying to make sure I know EXACTLY hox this rule is judged... you say that if you stand 5 ft from the vehicle you can get the proper view, but will every judge do this? Dave you said standing on level ground looking straight into the vehicle... do you count the console as an obstruction? db Steve how do you judge this rule? I really need to know, because I am in the middle of a rebuild, and like I said before if you are looking down into the vehicle the alot of vehicles would be in violation. So I would like to know exactly where you stand, how you stand, and whatever else I need to know so that I can judge my vehicle correctly.
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quote:Originally posted by 170typhoon: db Steve how do you judge this rule?
I judge it from the inside out. It may not be exacly accordin to the rules as far as technique goes, but the outcome is practacally the same.
When sitting inside looking out the front window, you should be able to see out a transparent 4 sq ft. If a roof build down, etc. is blocking part of the view, simply have someone on the outside mark where you can see W/O tilting your head one way or another.
If you have exactly 4 sq ft transparent you should be able to see all the frame work for the window sitting on the inside W/O tilting your head in any way.
What amazes me is there are several top national competitors that have HUGE cabins. Saying that you HAVE to build your vehicle with all these 'grey' areas to achive high SPL can be proven wrong. It is possible to GET LOUD w/o having your vehicle questioned.
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dBSteve Get Loud Productions LLC Posts: 8436 | From: Midwest | Registered: Aug 2000
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Will the judges in the UK and other over sea markets inforse this rule as hard as you do in the states?. Mainly because come WORLD finals this will be very important to records and titles.
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So as long as my dash or roof do not block any of the frame work I am ok? If this rule is to be enforced from the outside then we should probably have a judge that is a certain height, stand a certain distance away from every vehicle... because depending on your height and how far away you stand you will see more or less of the build down or build up. Dave do you stand straight up looking in? And do you stand a certain distance away?
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I think the question of how you stand and blah blah blah has been answered more than once already. You can not say a certain judge a certain height due to different vehicles being different heights. As David has said and the rules also say. "Unobstructed viewing areas will be identified by looking straight into the vehicle from in front of the vehicle on a plane that is parallel to the ground. " Now this does not mean parallel to anything but the ground. The easiest way for someone to measure this for themselves would simply be in this manner. Measure from the ground straight up to the center of your unobstructed area on the glass. This will more than likely be right in the center of the glass but not always. Now, go to the the front of your vehicle and measure up from the ground the same amount that you measured before from the ground. This would be your parallel viewing spot. It doesn't matter how close or far away you get, parallel is parallel. If need be I can make a simple drawing to show the above.
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well steve i know how u say u do it.the one this weekend would pass your way but not daves. this is what we need to know. how are u going to do it. when you look out you can see the bottom of the windshield in the van in question.when you look from outside you will see the dash build up. dave had a clear cut way of doing it but we need to know which way all the judges will do it.
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quote:Originally posted by Trouble: I think the question of how you stand and blah blah blah has been answered more than once already. You can not say a certain judge a certain height due to different vehicles being different heights. As David has said and the rules also say. "Unobstructed viewing areas will be identified by looking straight into the vehicle from in front of the vehicle on a plane that is parallel to the ground. " Now this does not mean parallel to anything but the ground. The easiest way for someone to measure this for themselves would simply be in this manner. Measure from the ground straight up to the center of your unobstructed area on the glass. This will more than likely be right in the center of the glass but not always. Now, go to the the front of your vehicle and measure up from the ground the same amount that you measured before from the ground. This would be your parallel viewing spot. It doesn't matter how close or far away you get, parallel is parallel. If need be I can make a simple drawing to show the above.
Maybe this has been gone over before, and if it has then I missed it. Are you saying that this is they way that is being judged, or your interpretation of how it should be judged? If this is correct then I guess you mean that if you are tall, then YOU WOULD have to squat to have your eyes in the middle of the windsheild. Again I am just trying to make sure that I am judging my vehicle correctly, so if you know please post it.
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quote:Originally posted by team custom creations 1: well steve i know how u say u do it.the one this weekend would pass your way but not daves. this is what we need to know. how are u going to do it. when you look out you can see the bottom of the windshield in the van in question.when you look from outside you will see the dash build up. dave had a clear cut way of doing it but we need to know which way all the judges will do it.
I will always go by the rule book exactly how it is written and intended. For me, its always been easier to do it from the inside. In the Midwest, we don't have any problems such as this. I am more than prepared to address this issue at multi point events no matter the location.
David did exactly what I would do. I support his dicision 100%.
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dBSteve Get Loud Productions LLC Posts: 8436 | From: Midwest | Registered: Aug 2000
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Well I guess I'll put my 2cents again in since it cost about $1600 to get my windsheild redone.
I built my new windsheild to accomadate the new rules. You can see out, as well as you can see in, 4sqft with no obstructions. Well, you guys know the game by now, nothings gonna change. So make the change, get a judge to approve it, then move on! Just get Loud!
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In my original post that started this thread, I quoted the rules exactly. The rules state
"Unobstructed viewing areas will be identified by looking straight into the vehicle from in front of the vehicle on a plane that is parallel to the ground."
This means level with the earth. If I stand up close and look down into the vehicle, I am no longer looking "level" with the earth. Depending on the height of the vehicle, you will most likely need to squat slightly to follow the "prescribed" measurement technique.
As I stated before, this area of the rules is 100% clear to me. No gray area, to leave room for mis-interpretation. What’s great is we not only have the rule, but the measurement technique as well.
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Thank you Dave that is what I wanted to know
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I went to a 2x show last year and Steve brought it to my attention that in order to get 4sqft of viewing area, looking out from the inside, I would have to raise my seating area about 4". I have made this correction and now I have 4sqft of viewing area looking out from the inside. I will be going to the East Moline 2x show July 13th, next month. Dave will be judging this show. I will live by his decision on the visible area looking in from the outside. If I need to make changes,so be it, and move on to the next show. My van has never been jugded on the viewing area looking in from the outside, and I always thought it would pass anyhow. Come July 13th I will know for sure and go with the flow and make changes if I need to.
Gary
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quote:Originally posted by gra359: I went to a 2x show last year and Steve brought it to my attention that in order to get 4sqft of viewing area, looking out from the inside, I would have to raise my seating area about 4". I have made this correction and now I have 4sqft of viewing area looking out from the inside. I will be going to the East Moline 2x show July 13th, next month. Dave will be judging this show. I will live by his decision on the visible area looking in from the outside. If I need to make changes,so be it, and move on to the next show. My van has never been jugded on the viewing area looking in from the outside, and I always thought it would pass anyhow. Come July 13th I will know for sure and go with the flow and make changes if I need to.
Gary
It's actually pretty easy to do the test yourself. Maybe you could try it in advance. I use a dry erase marker to mark off the areas that cannot be counted, if any. Then add up whats left.
Competitors who have extensive roof build downs, or dash build ups will have the most trouble. I believe the intent of these rules are to "open up" the interiors some.
Telling a competitor they cannot compete is always a last resort with me. I prefer to point out the problems, and give the competitor a chance to correct the problem in advance.
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