quote: I guess that is where we differ in opinion. To me, one is limited by age, one is limited by experience, what is the big difference.
OK.. lets put it this way. I guess they should have let me keep playing college ball as long as I wanted, since I enjoyed it to (but not as much as high school )
But, collegiate sports are limited by EXPERIENCE, the same way that street class was set up to be last year. You can play college ball when your 30, as long as some of your 4 years of eligibility are still intact.
Nate, that's exactly why the 'Novice' class is for the 1st season competitors only. But by your reasoning it sounds to me like everyone who competed in the SSNW class last season at finals should HAVE to move up to SS1-2, and SS1-2 should be forced up to SS3-4, etc...
I believe there is a need for a limited class similar to Street where everyone may compete just like the SS classes and up.
So maybe it would be an idea to drop the Novice and/or Street 3-4 woofer classes, and add a Pro-Street 1-2 for the ones being forced out, and those falling into the cracks...?
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quote:Originally posted by MR. IGOTBASS: I see everyone bash the dude Matt for wanting to stay in street. Thats crazy, because here is how I look at it. This is hobby for him and everyone else that does this. Sometimes people just dont have the means to put together a big vehicle. So just because they might not be able to afford to buy a van, buy an assload of equipment, does that mean that they cant participate and have fun. Maybe Im way off base here, but it just seems that people are quick to jump down the dudes throat alot.
Its blagrent that Wayne is trying to keep the "Pros" out of the Novice street class. But the regular street class I personally feel is a whole lot more competitive than the bigger classes, and it enables alot of people to keep competing.
Just my thoughts.
Ben
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quote: Because last seasons 'Street' classes were there for the nubies
funny you say that q cause half of the top 8 at finals were veterens not newbies.
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This whole arguement goes to what is best for the DBDRA.
Why do you think USACi is still so popular? Bottom line is that they have lots of places for the newbie, or the average Joe who has more of a clue, to play without getting involved with competing against shops, sponsored vehicles, pros, etc.
I see the street arguement that is being presented VERY clearly, and like the competitors making the arguements, BUT, the BIG problem with this street for EVERYONE thinking is that it is there to allow a VERY small number of people into one of those valuable "average joe" classes. I mean, to be honest, I would bet that this arguement is probably presented by 25-50 people interested in attending finals in street, if that. Half of which are already ineligible for street due to previous limitations in the rules.
The arguement is also made that we keep this class to keep these limited few competitors happy by allowing them to compete at finals. This would be fine, but for a newbie to have the desire to make it to finals, and become a longterm asset to the DBDRA, he needs to go to street. If the same 20 people are always in street dominating, how many more of the newbies will be scared off from becoming 'one of us'? I would be willing to bet every year that number would be MUCH higher than the number of repeat street competitors.
In the overall scheme of things, allowing 50 people in a class to dominate when the class needs to be geared toward the 15000 + people who compete street for pure fun and would like to get a taste of finals, or moreover, trying to lure competitors from USACi etc, by offering them a couple viable classes in which to compete.
You may say that who cares if these people compete DB Drag, well I for one do. Everyone needs to realize that to get these big sponsors and wide exposure that competitors ALWAYS talk of, requires ONE thing. INTEREST FROM THE RETAIL BUYING SEGMENT. Nobody, IE Kenwood, wants to sponsor us with our small niche equipment to have fun. They want to reach the customers that may actually BUY something they make. This will require getting all the kids, which WE routinely make fun of, interested in competing DB Drag more than the once they got stomped by the shop car from across town.
We have a new group of sponsors this year, NOPI, Al&Eds, etc. We have lost Circuit City, Kenwood, and who else knows. If we want to keep sponsorships coming in, WHICH IS WHAT MAKES FINALS AS WE KNOW IT POSSIBLE, we need to realize that the people who go to Nopi shows and the other retailers ARENT LIKE US. They are average people, who want some classes for them to actually be competitive in... not just get stomped.
I dont mean to rant, but I just think that if everyone would step back and realize that the NEWBIE classes are MUCH more important to DB Drags existance than a class geared to make less than 100 people nationally happy.
Hell, I will go so far as to say the only real importance of SS and Extreme is Window Dressing, to lure the enthusiast in with wild, record breaking systems.
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with the last post by nate i agree 100%,and im done with this post. Matt if you are still watching this post email me at
blue200sx@hotmail.com
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quote:Originally posted by TerryJackson: funny you say that q cause half of the top 8 at finals were veterens not newbies.
dude, not that i care about this at all, but your wrong, go look at the results.
terry bronks was the only competitor that had been to a competition before 2000, and the people that had competed in 2000 had scores that (no offense) were nothing to write home about.
and of the top 8 none of the competitors have been to world finals...
...unless someone competed in prior years with a different name, or a team name or something.
wait a minute... wouldnt that mean that even though someone could have gone to finals in 2001 that they could simply buy a different car and enter under a different team name, or someone else's name?
like i said before, there is no point in attempting to try to keep the pro's out, because it cant be done. if someone doesnt have the balls to move up, then let them stay weak.
you dont have to worry about me, my van is built already, but im sayin.
i dont know, im glad we are out of street, it was fun while it lasted, but i cant handle all this cryin crap, we had our fun, time to play with the big boys.
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Nate, I agree with most of what you posted, and yet I feel that you dropped the ball just before making a touchdown - what is being done is lureing them in (into the wading pool) then into the swimming pool, then BYPASSING the river, and the lake, and dropping them right into the Ocean of 10-20K amp systems, destroyed vehicles, a literal TON of batteries, monster woofers which require a teammates help just to install,etc...
The arguement for a 'semi-nubie' finals class is really sound, and good for them, also good for the ones able to put 10s of thousands of $dollars$ worth of equipment into their now-no-longer-good-for-anything-except-DB Drag Racing-vehicle, but for the much more than 50 people left in the HUGE chasm between those two... ? ? ?
What about them (us), why lure us in just to let us drown in a SS class that all too many aren't able to, or are unwilling to, commit the necessary time/funds/destroyed-vehicle to, in order to remain seriously competitive?
? Novice 1-2, Street 1-2, Pro-Street 1-2 ?
Anyway, I've hammered, and re-hammered this point for several seasons, and I think I can retire from any further 'clarifications' - Obla Dee, Kay Sera, Cest La Vie...
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I have never said that another class between street and NW would be bad. I am just saying, with the layout we have now, 2 classes that draw more new competitors and sponsors HAS to come first on my list.
Heck, if it were up for discussion, I would say make novice no points, make street points but no finals, and pro-street for finals, allowing limited electrical upgrades and amplifiers. Just drop Ext 13+ to make room. But, THAT IS NOT UP FOR DISCUSSION RIGHT NOW. What is up for discussion is 2 pro-free classes, and Im all for that.
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I agree with Matt on this one. I compete in Street 1-2 for a reason. It has nothing to do with money, time, nor rebuilding. I simply enjoy having a very streetable vehicle that is fun to drive. I competed in SS1-2 last year and simply did not enjoy driving the car. Where is the fun of driving a CRX with four batteries, two alts, and a wall? The ass end was touching the ground, the handling of the car was tank-like and the performance suffered dramatically. All said, it sat in the yard for half a year gathering less than two hundred miles. That made my decision to enter the Street all the more easy. This year I intentionally did not gather 100 points nor a certified score because of the rule. I competed more in NSPL than DB Drag. I won the world finals in two classes and hold two world records in NSPL. I feel that I have achieved plenty.
Maybe some people can open their eyes as to why Matt wants to stay in Street. Maybe, just maybe, it has more to do with just enjoying his car for what it was designed for than anything else.
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Matt not a problem. Just having a little fun. No harm meant by it.
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quote:Originally posted by TerryJackson: Matt not a problem. Just having a little fun. No harm meant by it.
Then don't be such a jackass about things.
I don't know you, but you represent yourself like a 12 year old school bully.
Matt's 5-8 car was financed by CREDIT CARDS. He woke up and realized that the benefits of competing in SS 5-8 (being in debt?) do not outweigh the benefits (trashed car that is NOW very nice since competing in street and putting $ towards other things).
Yeah, you can knock on him all you want. Facts are: Matt is a nice kid. He helps people when he can. He does NOT talk shi+ to people. He competed because it was fun, he got me to take my Blazer to a show cause it would be fun..... I did a SS 9+ vehicle, I can't afford that anymore. I may not afford a vehicle this year; I have graduate and/or medical school to worry about. Matt has a life to worry about. If you want to do a SS 5-8 vehicle, GO FOR IT. To be flat honest, it's people who are total *****uckers who get me to come back and compete when I feel it's time to concentrate on more important things in life....
Come on up to Minnesota, give us some time, and MAYBE we'll decide to throw something together to give you a run.... I hopped classes for a month and a half last year for that reason....
There's a reason I don't post much anymore. There's a reason I don't care like I once did... If you can't figure it out... I feel sorry for you.
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quote:Originally posted by Thor: There's a reason I don't post much anymore. There's a reason I don't care like I once did... If you can't figure it out... I feel sorry for you.
Oh so very true.........
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quote: There's a reason I don't post much anymore. There's a reason I don't care like I once did... If you can't figure it out... I feel sorry for you
I do know why you don't post here much anymore...cause all the crying and bs that goes on around here.
Thats why i couldn't figure out why it took matt and his crying and bs about street class to get you to come post.
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