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Everyone, read the definition of a pro in the 2002 rules section, and vote NO to the rule saying pro's can't compete in the street division. There is a seperate division for the amateures and entry level competitors but then they don't allow pro's or people with sponsorships to compete in the pro division of the street class.
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i tend to agree with matt. why make the class if the so-called pro's cant compete in it.
not like im going to, there are already 8 batteries in the back of my van, and my lazy azz isnt moving them again
anyway, i think anyone that wishes should be allowed in "Pro-Street" (or what ever it will be called) for the simple fact that many people own lease vehicles, and dont want to rip them up to compete db drag, that is the reason we switched to the van.
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Wayne just posted some clarification to the novice street and regular street classes. He said to disregard the "novice" while voting....which moves me to agree with Matt in voting "NO". The so called "Pro's" should be allowed to compete in street if they wish. ie: leased vehciles, limited funds, must have room for baby seats etc. No one can make anyone vote a specific way, but I ask that you atleast keep an open mind in voting please. Wayne has already created a class for novice competitors. They don't accure points for finals so that class will be left untouched by veterans I'm sure which is what the intention was. But street is just like SS and Ext in the sense that pro's deserve to be there as well. Thank you for you time. We will now return you to your regular scheduled programming.
quote:Originally posted by Iceman91: hmmmmmm. All i want is nobody who got an invite to finals not able to come back to any street classes
i dont think it matters. do you think that just because I cant have a car at finals in street that i wont be helping someone in that class get to finals. i think it has been proven that the name on the membership card means very little, however the the person building the car is what makes all the differance in the world.
just what i think, why make things harder than they have to be, i vote for making a rule that prohibits un-policable rules. (does anyone see the irony?)
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My reasoning is this. Wayne has made 2 classes, an ametuer street, and a street. What is the point of having the street class if pro's or anyone that gets a discount on merchandise can't compete in it? Then you basically have 2 classes for the same people.
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Which new rule are you talking about that says no pros in street class? I see the no cargo van and commercial vehicle rule as well as the no sponsored vehicle rule. Neither of those rules say no pros.
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I am a little torn between agreeing with matt and american bassman and the others who want to still compete in street. I would love to be in street class and not have to compete against those heavy hitters, but in the same sense If I attend enough shows this year and get a finals invite but not win, I would be in the same shoes they are in. I would not be able to have a ss/exterme vehicle to continue competing. I guess you cant have your cake and eat it too. If there is a vote on that, I would probably have to say no, as I think street class should represent the best players, not the best players of whoever has not been eliminated due to previous success.
I dont mind competing against these guys, I wil just have to work damn hard to keep up with their experience.
Steven
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To me it seems that disallowing those who have previously been invited to finals, is like telling them "Go away, we don't want you anymore-unless you want to be thrown in with the bigger boys in SS" and then you have the same thing happening to them that you're afraid of happening to a few semi-nubies in Street if the 2nd season finals invitees were to stay in Street!
The Street class has been 'cleaned up' in most of the grey areas, which will help even the playing field - no van boxes as far foward, no commercial vehicles, no sponsored competitors,etc... therefore, (and only I.M.O.) the Street classes should be open to anyone, whether or not they have been invited to finals, and leave the nubie class - Novice - restricted to 1st timers.
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Click the link to see what is currently being voted on. No where at all does it state in the propositions about pros in street class. Anything discussed in the db drag rules section is just that for now....talk.
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Click the link to see what is currently being voted on. No where at all does it state in the propositions about pros in street class. Anything discussed in the db drag rules section is just that for now....talk.
Craig
I didn't know that was the rules discusion board. It looks to me like the rules voting area.
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The link I posted are the only things being voted on at this moment. No where in any of the current voting proposals does it ban pros from street. The proposals are to ban commercial type vehicles and sponsered vehicles.
I do know that Wayne has made comment that the street class was still inteded for amateurs however he has not made it illegal nor have the member of db drag voted to ban pros from the street class.
Now one more point that I would like to see discussed in further detail is what is a sponsered vehicle.
Craig
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A sponsored vehicle is considered a PRO! a sponsored vehicle is someone that gets thing free or for below fair market value. what do you know, thats waynes definition of a pro. a pro and being sponsored are hand in hand.
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quote:Originally posted by Thumpin: A sponsored vehicle is considered a PRO! a sponsored vehicle is someone that gets thing free or for below fair market value. what do you know, thats waynes definition of a pro. a pro and being sponsored are hand in hand.
Ah but a pro can also be someone who works for a shop, and doesn't get those discounts cause they run totaly different products than the shop carries. As far as being "sponsered" goes. To get things "free" or below a fair market value you have to have a serious in with a shop or manufacturer. And if you have that much of an in with a shop or manufacturer then you don't belong in the street class to begin with.
A pro in my own terms can also be someone who has been around the industry long enough not to whine and bitch and moan about the little crap.
Craig
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quote:Originally posted by Killi: A pro in my own terms can also be someone who has been around the industry long enough not to whine and bitch and moan about the little crap.
quote:Originally posted by wizeguy4: So how is one to know if someone has a a sponsorship. You think if we call Cleo she will be able to read that in her tarot cards???
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