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I ATTENDED THE EVENT IN CHARLOTTE THIS WEEKEND AND WAS QUITE IMPRESSED. WAYNE AND BRANTLEY DID A VERY GOOD JOB ON TIGHTNING DOWN ON THE RULES. AND I HERE BEFORE FINALS THEY WILL EVEN BE MORE STRICT BY FINALS. SO FOR YOU PEOPLE WHO HAVEN'T BEEN TO A TRIPLE POINT EVENT BEWARE! IF I UNDERSTAND THIS CORRECTLY BRANTLEY MUST BE ABLE TO SIT IN YOUR VEHICLE SITTING STAIGHT UP WITHOUT BENDING YOUR NECK. SO IF YOU HAVE OUTRAGEOUS ROOFS OR FLOORS BEWARE!!!
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Not to be rude but where in the rules does it say that Brantley is the average adult? That is not in the rules. What is in the rules is that roof build downs and floor build ups is allowed. Period. It's non-sense to try to enforce something that isn't in the rule book. I pay to be a member of dB Drag and I folow the rule book. To see that standards are set during the seasonis ridiculous. Follow the rule book not make up rules as we go.
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Also not to be rude...But Brantley is not all that big of a guy.If he is not an "average"adult than I don't know what is?If you are 6 foot then why have 2 foot of space available to sit in?Just seems like a common sence issue to me.Is it really that hard of a concept to understand?I mean Finals is 2 months away and we are still arguing about rules?I think it is great they are being enforced this year.If you don't know the basic rules by now than how are you competing?
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Posts: 1124 | From: Topeka,KS,USA | Registered: May 1999
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The rules state that the cabin must be able to accomodate two adult passengers. Take one as the owner of the vehicle and one other. It says NOTHING of Brantley being able to set in the vehicle. If this is what was wanted, then it should have been voted by members at the beginning of the season. You DO NOT wait till half way into a season to adopt a new standard of measuring cabin size. I, like Sperlaky and many others, follow the rulebook to a T - and it really frustrates me when "we" - the dBDRA - decide to change rules as we go. Nuff said.
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Posts: 1038 | From: Ada,OH | Registered: May 1999
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Wayne and Brantley said that the standard is: Fairly comfortable neck and back positioning with your knee no closer than 12" from your chin. If your car does not pass that test, then you are one crazy S.O.B. ;-)
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The rules state, "The passenger compartment must accommodate 2 average size adult passengers, sitting side by side, in a traditional seating arrangement. (Intent: The passenger compartment of the vehicle should approximate that of a typical vehicle.)" Wayne chose me to represent the average adult. To the best of my knowledge the average adult is approximately 5'8'' and 175lbs, I am 5'6" and 155lbs, therefore, no one should complain. Wayne could have used himself. Let's not forget, the rules are guidelines set forth by Wayne, but he is the ultimate decision maker.
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Posts: 14 | From: Lexington, SC, USA | Registered: Aug 1999
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THANKS BRANTLEY. YOU OTHER GUYS THAT DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT I WAS SAYING OBVIOUSLY! THIS IS ONLY TO HELP THE MEMBERS THAT WHERE NOT ABLE TO ATTEND. IF YOUR PLANNING ON GOING TO THE FINALS THEN AT LEAST BE PREPARED. MEMBERS SPEND ALOT OF MONEY IN EXPENSES AND SO ON. NOBODY WANTS TO GET ALL THE WAY TO FINALS AND GET DISQUALIFIED. SO FOR THOSE WHO DID UNDERSTAND THIS. THATS WHAT WENT ON. FOR THOSE THAT DON'T REALIZE THAT I'M ONLY TRYING TO HELP YOU! TOUGH SHANIGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Dude, please, can we chill with the caps lock a little bit? No offense but it would be greatly appreciated...
Posts: 5349 | From: Nash-Vegas, TN | Registered: May 1999
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You guys are lucky that Wayne chose Brantley to be the "average" adult. If he cant fit in the vehicle, then I would have to think the cab is way too small.
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I hate to say it but, average should've been defined before the season started not in the middle. I thought the members of dB Drag decided the rules and standards by vote. What am I paying for if I can't vote on the average size adult standard? Besides I believe there is some medical surveys that are better suited to define average adult.
I don't have a cabin so small that Brantley can't fit in it but, I think it's ridiculous to make up this "standard" in the middle of the season. When Brantley's height and weight are in the rule book next year then enforce it.
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I would have to say I am in complete agreement with Sperlaky on this one. The vehicles I have worked on would all fit Brantley also, but the focus here should be on "creating standards" midway into the season. This was discussed back in Jan-Feb and distances were discussed between floor and ceiling along with other ideas. Standard adult size was also discussed. However, nothing was implemented. It is not in the rule book. If Brantley is to be the standard, then it should appear in the rule book for next year.
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Posts: 1038 | From: Ada,OH | Registered: May 1999
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Honestly, how are you really going to be able to keep this rule consistent at every dbdrag event. I think that everyone should follow the rules and have a little flexablity for stuff like that. For one if your car is too close, then you are taking that on yourself. I bowl in Nationals every year and you have to have your bowling balls weighed and measured before every squad. If one of them is close to being illegal, then it gets sent on to the next station where it gets thoroughly checked out. My point is, if it is too small, then be prepared to get checked out.
Also, the rule book states that the vehicle has to accomodate 2 passengers of average size. The average size set forth is 5'8" 175lbs. What if someone thinks a person with bird legs and a heft beer belly is an average sized person? I know that a person of that description wouldn't fit comfortably in some of the cars I have seen. But My point is that no one really knows. Allow for some flexability in the rules. Rules like this one are always going to be argued about. The only way to get around it is to give exact demisions on how small the compartment can be. Using height, width, etc.
Well that is my 2 cents worth...
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Posts: 2554 | From: Flower Mound, TX USA | Registered: Jun 1999
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I think the real issue here is that someone's trying to enforce a rule...thats not exactly a rule.The rules need to be VERY descriptive in the rule book...and they need to be enforced. But "average sized adult" is very Vague. what if the adult is a woman? That would be much smaller than the average man...Right? My girlfriend is like 5'2"....so if i build her car for her to sit in its not going to be allowed?You guys have got a great organization here...you just need to refine some things...to make it better for all competitors. There also should be a rule about dash size, if someone makes a tremendously long dash, wouldn't this be considered compartmentilizing?(what a word). The rules just need to be more defined.After all, most dB draggers follow the rule book as close as possible, some like to see what they can get away with.
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Posts: 33 | From: Mansfield,ohio,usa | Registered: Jun 1999
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I suggested exact minimum measurements last year but, I was shot down. This is a good example of why you need exact measured minimums. Some may argue well all measurements can't be used for all cars which could be true. Who knows what to do in those situations? IMHO the bottom line for future rules: if you can shut the door and drive it up... you're legal.
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I understand what everyone is trying to say about Brantley being a "rule". You also have to understand Waynes point. I think that Brantley is a guideline to the seating rule. When it states "in a traditional seating arrangement", you have to picture yourself sitting in your own vehicle. Do your knees hit your chest? Is your head cocked over? Can you see clearly all around you? Is your center consol higher than your dash? Does the lowered roof obstruct your view? These are just a couple things to look out for.
If we were able just to have a rule stating that the car door must close and must be driven into the lane, we would have problems. There has to be some guidelines and a limit to the cab size.
If you have not been to a triple pointer with Wayne, I would suggest it in order to prepare for the finals.
------------------ Mike Agens Mike SPL Man "ITHERTZ" Team Hertz
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We have good rules. We have good competitors. And, we have a good officiating team.
This is the bottom line: If something is not explicitly spelled out in the rule book, it is up to the officiating team to determine whether the issue in question is acceptible or not. When we see confusion or a lack of understanding regarding a rule (or lack thereof) we issue a clarification regarding that specific question. These clarifications usually end up as additions to the rules in the following season.
All of our triple point events this season have been flawless. I attribute this success to our current rules and the officiating staff working the events.
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I agree.... We do have great rules. And no matter what, once you think every rule has been covered and is fair, then another one will be questioned. I think the DBDRA is the most fair and the most fun organization around. Wayne definately has his head on straight and I think this will be around for a long, long time to come.
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Posts: 2554 | From: Flower Mound, TX USA | Registered: Jun 1999
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