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Exactly, itīs just like if you have a supercar like a Ferrari F50 you wouldnīt want to floor it at every redlight going up against a Neon or so when you would beat them anyway with less stress on your material
Makes sense to me, things do break and if they are certain that they are so much louder then there opponent there is no reason to max the system every run if they know theyīll win that run anyway.
Oh well, maybe it differs between Europe and the US but this is quite common over here, do you mean that everyone goes full out every run over there?
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quote:Originally posted by bighen: Exactly, itīs just like if you have a supercar like a Ferrari F50 you wouldnīt want to floor it at every redlight going up against a Neon or so when you would beat them anyway with less stress on your material
Makes sense to me, things do break and if they are certain that they are so much louder then there opponent there is no reason to max the system every run if they know theyīll win that run anyway.
Oh well, maybe it differs between Europe and the US but this is quite common over here, do you mean that everyone goes full out every run over there?
Were not saying we don't sand bag, but its a little wierd when EVERYONES score goes up 2-3 db's by round?!?!
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That is weird, and I have NEVER sandbagged. Probably cause I needed to go all out to get the numbers that I was doing. Now I have been "nice" before and not killed someone by 10 db.
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i think some people are jealaous and dont think that "other countries" have the capability to break records. well wake up and smell the coffe, because they do!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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This Citroen AX is a kind of a SPL legend in finland and if I remember right it has won street class now three times in row here 1999,2000 and 2001. Owner of the car knows alot about that bandpass thing and best score before eurofinals was 156 if i remember right. Car did alot of 154-155`s during 2001 season and 156 was from finish finals.
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Were not saying we don't sand bag, but its a little wierd when EVERYONES score goes up 2-3 db's by round?!?!
Beer's on me Iggster.Another point is that over here in the us,at the finals if we sandbagged we would not place or we'd lose a place in the bracket and possibly lose lane choice if we dont qualify top 4.i can see if your one of the last vehicles to qualify AND you've SEEN the other scores,then sandbaggin is possible if you know what doing.but at the DB DRAG WORLD FINALS IT WOULD'VE BEEN COMPETIVELY CATASTROPHIC TO SANDBAG!
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Back in 02 my girlfriend said I had to make a choice between her and DB Drag....I told that b-tch I've made harder decisions at the Coke machine.
quote:Originally posted by Dr.Loudness: Euro finale did have 1x status before start, but it was run like it was multipoint. Macs and calibrator were the same as in USA, so what is so hard to believe about this result? Any other car didn't get any unrealistically high score, and biggest problem in S is condition of battery. So one run can be high, and others low.
I have also seen that some competitors didn't use full power in qualifying. But if you know that you have loud car, why should you burp it always on 100% to discharge (or destroy) system.
HMMMMM.destroy?? destroy what? street 1-2 requires 1 amp and one battery and only two subs? if its hooked up right how would you destroy the system ? I can see if an amp blows or somethin but thats what back up amps and subs are for.the real question is.How much time the judges over there give you between qualifying,1st,2nd,and final rounds of elimination?Do you guys use optima drycells? red top? I burped my street 1-2 caravan well over 20 times without any power problems. Did you guys have batterie chargers and access to power terminals? If so i dont see any reason u guys should be holding back for the sake of saving power.
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Well, to be honest I donīt think there are many street competitors that have backup subs and amps over here. So if anything blows youīre out of the competition unless you can borrow something from another competitor.
I think this is because Street class is what it was intended to be over here, unlike in the states... No Caravans and we donīt have any $6000 amps in spare if one blows since we donīt have umlimited funding, in fact we donīt have any $6000 amps at all what I know of.... And we donīt have any amps under the hood of the car, yet
And yes we have Optimas, actually they are a Swedish product originally. But I my self and many others over here use the Exide Maxxima (Exide Select Orbital in the States).
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I agree with the Doctor. Why go on 100% always when U can destroy the system?? And we dont have the same backup from our manufactures so we can just go and pick some new woofer (or Amps) if we blow one up. And the car we are talking aboute have a Orion 2400 Amp ,that amp is one of 6 in Swe - Fin and Norway.So I dont think they are cheap to buy over here,just for backup?Do U !
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quote:Originally posted by Fredrik F: I agree with the Doctor. Why go on 100% always when U can destroy the system?? And we dont have the same backup from our manufactures so we can just go and pick some new woofer (or Amps) if we blow one up. And the car we are talking aboute have a Orion 2400 Amp ,that amp is one of 6 in Swe - Fin and Norway.So I dont think they are cheap to buy over here,just for backup?Do U !
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actually that orion amp u have is FAR more expensive here in the us than the earthquake D2.BWT the d2 puts out more power!!!!!!! the top 6 out 8 street 1-2 world finalist qualified with the d2.so why pick that orion amp?was it the availability? can u guys get earthquake?shockers?zapco9.0?
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I really don't understand you (people from USA). Why is it so hard to believe that others might have good (better) results?
We use same TP, we use same calibrator, we use same rules, we have same speakers & amps......BUT we have different cars, and in this case it was different box too!!!
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quote:Originally posted by THE-SCRAPER: actually that orion amp u have is FAR more expensive here in the us than the earthquake D2.BWT the d2 puts out more power!!!!!!! the top 6 out 8 street 1-2 world finalist qualified with the d2.so why pick that orion amp?was it the availability? can u guys get earthquake?shockers?zapco9.0?
Well we can have a little different opinion about that. Did you read the recent CAE magazine test where D2 and Zapco, US Amp and two Crossfires were tested. Eartquake didn't perform very well. We haven't have D2's here, just 200DHC's and believe lot's of those have been used here and it is one of the best amps - but the champion was took with Orion, in Eurofinals and National, in both there were EQ amps up against...
And anyway, EQs has much better availability than that Orions, we have two of those Orion amps in our countiry, and at least while ago, only like 3 pieces in whole Europe.
What comes to the score, the stone correct scores are the 156's, when played that 158 the mic was little hot, you know how it goes with termlabs, you can calibrate before and after every run and still it keeps you as a fool We didn't have as much problems as you had in World Finals, but sure we had some. Anyway, the 158 score does not have a backup, but the 156 has.
Who knows, perhaps the 'little professor' comes here to tell the story himself, I will forward this to his attention.
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quote:Originally posted by THE-SCRAPER: actually that orion amp u have is FAR more expensive here in the us than the earthquake D2.BWT the d2 puts out more power!!!!!!! the top 6 out 8 street 1-2 world finalist qualified with the d2.so why pick that orion amp?was it the availability? can u guys get earthquake?shockers?zapco9.0?
situation is a bit different here in Europe.
- end price is determined how much discount can importer get, and how much can importer charge...
- availability of products is different for each country, and it depends if there is some importer or not. Many US companies don't have importers in some countries.
- what competitors choose is also dependent if there is importer which is supporting competitors snd give them free measurements...
so basicaly we use same products, but main difference is if importer is offering any support or not.
BTW, I am importer and I am offering support!
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ehhh... man... i cant belive what i am reading... Why do u American people think that if the Europe car is loudest than one in the USA...that is somethink wrong with mics.. calibrators... ect...
i think that EU finals should be treated like USA finals... and the scores shouldnt be the question...
if u doubt.. u can send loudest S1-2 car on EU finals.. and we will see!
EU competitors are working hard on their sistems.. and the car audio equipment is much expensive than in USA!...
DD 3512.. in slovenia costs about 500$
u get 2DD 3512 in USA for same prize... (or cheaper) and the money standard is much higher than in slovenia!
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scraper...think about what was just said...
little time between runs (hence little recharge time) and why max out your system possible blowing stuff up when you don't need to. it's done on this side of the ocean too, it's known as sandbagging. makes sense to me...
if you know what you can hit and you know what other people are hitting...then you need only hit it hard enough to beat them. like was said, no sense in possibly damaging equipment if not necessary.
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