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I was just wondering since when is the rule that your seat has to slide all the way forward and backward in order to be fully functional. I almost got DQ'd at finals and ended up getting a ****ty score because of this...now I competed at many multi point events this year and this rule was never brought to my attention at any of them. How come at finals all of these new interpretations of rules come up? In my opinion a fully functional seat is one that you can sit in...and I am not the only one who got screwed by this rule...Deryk Rankin and Matt Bradsoy also went down due to this rule, and due to the judges feeling free to jam seats around like they have any business putting a finger on your car...it is rediculous, that 3 world class competitors could compete all year and not know abotu this rule until fianls...I mean why are the rules not enforced the same all year? I think that if a rule is overlooked at a triple then it better not be enforced at finals...that means that triples should have the same kind of checks that finals does because I drove a damn long way to get there and if I would have been aware of this problem I would have easily been able to clear it up, however when I have 4 minutes to do it before I am DQ'd it is much harder to unscrew like 30 screws and take one panel off of my box...and thats all I was too big...like 3/4 of an inch, and they ****ed me for it
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quote:Originally posted by ShockingCanada: I was just wondering since when is the rule that your seat has to slide all the way forward and backward in order to be fully functional. I almost got DQ'd at finals and ended up getting a ****ty score because of this...now I competed at many multi point events this year and this rule was never brought to my attention at any of them. How come at finals all of these new interpretations of rules come up? In my opinion a fully functional seat is one that you can sit in...and I am not the only one who got screwed by this rule...Deryk Rankin and Matt Bradsoy also went down due to this rule, and due to the judges feeling free to jam seats around like they have any business putting a finger on your car...it is rediculous, that 3 world class competitors could compete all year and not know abotu this rule until fianls...I mean why are the rules not enforced the same all year? I think that if a rule is overlooked at a triple then it better not be enforced at finals...that means that triples should have the same kind of checks that finals does because I drove a damn long way to get there and if I would have been aware of this problem I would have easily been able to clear it up, however when I have 4 minutes to do it before I am DQ'd it is much harder to unscrew like 30 screws and take one panel off of my box...and thats all I was too big...like 3/4 of an inch, and they ****ed me for it
Where were you friday night when all us judges gave up our evening to spend about 4 hours walking the floor pre inspecting vehicles????? WAKE UP people...We did everything we could to enforce the rule to the letter.
Are you even aware that Steve Cook busted his windows in that beuatiful van??? All because the rules say no more that 1/4" gap between the inner plexi, and the factory glass???? He had about 1/2"...
We had to make some tough decisions...But we followed the rules the best we could.
quote:Originally posted by mbreitba: Just out of curiosity...is this a Street only rule, or does it also apply to super street (i wouldn't think it would...but just wanted to ask)
In SS you can remove all seats. No it dosen't apply
Question – In the classes that have a “normal use” restriction, do the seats need to be able to slide all the way back in order to be in compliance.
Answer – No. The competitor may adjust the seat any way they wish, provided the resultant seat position is intended for normal operation of the vehicle.
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Question – In the classes that have a “normal use” restriction, do the seats need to be able to slide all the way back in order to be in compliance.
Answer – No. The competitor may adjust the seat any way they wish, provided the resultant seat position is intended for normal operation of the vehicle.
quote:Originally posted by jliehr: David, I would appreciate if you would take a minute to read the Q&A portion of the rules. This seems to contradict the judges actions at finals. http://www.termpro.com/dbdrag/rules/2001/rules01.html
Question – In the classes that have a “normal use” restriction, do the seats need to be able to slide all the way back in order to be in compliance.
Answer – No. The competitor may adjust the seat any way they wish, provided the resultant seat position is intended for normal operation of the vehicle.
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Look. We are not perfect. And I was not the only one in the decision making process. Although I seem to be the only one here trying to defend our actions
How come no one brought this to our attention during the show, so we could make a decision. I can tell you it might have affected the outcome.
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I knew there was something wrong about it. Damn, I could have come in top 5 without that blunder. And I did wait around until 10:00 but after driving for 16 hours to get to finals (all night) I was kinda tired and had to get up at 6:30 to be ready for qualifying at 8:00
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quote:Originally posted by David McLean: How come no one brought this to our attention during the show, so we could make a decision. I can tell you it might have affected the outcome.
Because it's more fun to bitch after-the-fact and make it look like the judges were out to screw everyone to those who weren't there and only get their finals reports off the Internet. And lord knows, if it's on the Internet, it MUST be true.
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The thing that you all must realize, is that Tom is one of the few that truely is/was a newbie to this sport and he did almost everything by himself to make his van as loud as it is...
You all want to talk about who this class if for, yet when someone who truely belongs in it gets stepped on by a technicality and then wants an explanation...this is the treatment he gets
As I recall, Tom did ask why his seats had to be moved back all the way...he asked me...I told him that complaining would likely get him nowhere and he would be made out to be a sore loser...
hmm...guess I wasn't too far off was I??? He didn't come in here asking you to re-run his class...he asked why things were done the way they were...he asked why because he didn't think he was in the wrong...
truth is...he wasn't...so why not instead of bashing on him for being a true newbie...why not just explain the situation to him...at the judges did indeed make a mistake and then close this thread and let everyone (Tom, the judges and all those who want to unfairly brand Tom as a sore loser) move on...it sounds simple to me!
admit it (this has been done) close it move on.......
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First I want to say that David...I think I must have told you 100 times that I thought you were doing a good job...and I still do I can only imagine the pressure that was on you this entire weekend...so please...don't think me to be against you...as that I am not! But on the other hand...there were some mistakes made and that we all know...we must all learn to deal with them and move on...I also agree to that...but at the same time...it is better to admit when something went wrong than to cover it up!
I hope that all made some sort of sence...
I can't help but to get all fired up...most of the things that went down at finals were understandable, but its the after finals comments made that have me on edge...I am still in disbelief that Wayne himself said that Team Shocked is a "bunch of slimey cheaters" in the chatroom...I am having a hard time swallowing that one! Thus the quickness at an elevated temper on my part...
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yeah, dave, you're awesome.. the others... i dont know what to think. I brought that seat issue up to the judges several times. They were thick headed about it the whole weekend like they had an ego from hell. As a whole, the judges did a great job, there were just some spots where they needed to listen to the competitors once instead of walking around with their nose in the air.
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Mike, you make sense, at least to me. What I'd love to know, is why it's ALWAYS street 1-2. Nobody bitches about 3-4, or at least not to the extent we're hearing it in 1-2. Maybe 1 in 500 complaints about street deal with 3-4 issues. I'd love to see a demographic break-down of members to class. See how many of the reported 20,000 members of dBdrag are in what classes...just street v super v extreme could help with some insight.
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I am sorry that I came off as a complainer. I did not say anything at the competition except for to Brantley and Mike. The ruling by Brantley was that I had to move my seat all the way back, so I changed my system to do so. I was just looking for an explaination of the rule, and found that there infact wasn't a rule...please feel free to delete this post as it has acomplished more then I intended, and there is no need for it to remain on the forum
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quote:Originally posted by David McLean: Look. We are not perfect. And I was not the only one in the decision making process. Although I seem to be the only one here trying to defend our actions
How come no one brought this to our attention during the show, so we could make a decision. I can tell you it might have affected the outcome.
this is just my thought on the seat thing.
the judges should be fully aware of the rules and should not just start a new rule at finals that is not in the rule book.
the judge that did mike skaritka was just slamming the seat back hard enough to to lift the box up (over 125 lbs)
thats uncalled for treating a competeror car like a peice of crap.
im trying not to slam the judges but it was not right to do that to anyones car.
quote:Originally posted by Thumpin: yeah, dave, you're awesome.. the others... i dont know what to think. I brought that seat issue up to the judges several times. They were thick headed about it the whole weekend like they had an ego from hell. As a whole, the judges did a great job, there were just some spots where they needed to listen to the competitors once instead of walking around with their nose in the air.
Matt, did you bring out your rule book, and point out the question and answer section, that was mentioned here??
I wish the hell somebody would have. Like I said before, we are not perfect...We cannot be expected to memorize the entire rule book.
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Now, I know that Wayne was talking of giving Nathan a ranking (not affecting others in his class) higher than he recieved because he felt that the DQ'ing of him was uncalled for.
Does this apply to MANY people in the street class?
Lots of people do extensive testing to find out what seat position is loudest, and it can REALLY affect your score to tell you the truth.
I hope you take my constructive critisism as a suggestion not a whine.
quote:Originally posted by David McLean: How come no one brought this to our attention during the show, so we could make a decision. I can tell you it might have affected the outcome.
It was brought to your attention, however, given the FOUR minutes to change Matt's box and amplifier position, I believe he was unable to articulate anything much beyond "That is F***ing bull****, it's legal, it's been legal all year long". Granted, that is NOT the best way to handle it, and I assure you that had this been brought up to him or any of his team members at an EARLIER time, we would have been able to clarify this situation.
Again, it's unfortunate - but what can you do?
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quote:Originally posted by David McLean: We cannot be expected to memorize the entire rule book.
I think any JUDGE at any national competition level should be required to memorize the rulebook. When was the last time you saw an NFL or MLB official consult the rule book?
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