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ok all i have to say is that dbdrag is a step behind cause in ohio there is a shop called soundwaves and for 2 years in a row the gave away 5000. for first place in every class and then it went to 1000. for 2nd and like 500. for 3rd and this is just a shop i think dbdrag could fork this out with out the money but hey the money is the competetiors doing to make the sport grow .
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quote:Originally posted by Jim Leary: ok all i have to say is that dbdrag is a step behind cause in ohio there is a shop called soundwaves and for 2 years in a row the gave away 5000. for first place in every class and then it went to 1000. for 2nd and like 500. for 3rd and this is just a shop i think dbdrag could fork this out with out the money but hey the money is the competetiors doing to make the sport grow .
When is their next scheduled event....im on my way!
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Parasiteiology An organism that grows, feeds, and is sheltered on or in a different organism while contributing nothing to the survival of its host. 2. a. One who habitually takes advantage of the generosity of others without making any useful return.
In otherwords . Shocker DD Treo
Who we hurt.. Audiobahn Kenwood MTX Cerwinvega Kenwood Audiobahn Kenwood Pioneer Kenwood ... LOL
Does Kenwood Make high spl drivers? NO Does AudioBahn ? Nope Not really Does Pioneer ? No Does MTX? Yes there starting to. Cerwinvega? Yup
What I;m saying is this There are only about 3 companys who SUPPORT''' DB DRAGRACEING WHO CAN EVEN come Close to making prouduct that is Worthy of standing up to a PARASITE companys Woofers and amplifiers.
TOP OF THE LINE DRIVERS AT WORLD FINALS.:
SHOCKER DD TREO PLANET AUDIO Rockford MMATS VEGA KICKER MTX all had decent results How many do you see support THOUSANDS of Dollars to the sport?
2 maybe 3 companys.
Ben Fisher is right. If Kenwood or Audiobahn made a prouduct that was like no other and was proven to be awsome! then we would buy them! It's very obvious that people only use what will get them to the winners circle. And if they dont somone else will.
Last but not Least...
IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN! BIG COMPANYS CANT SELL WHAT WE WANT AND NEED FOR THERE ( NORMAL CONSUMOR SALES) There for if they cant make money off a certian line its not worth it for them. As For the PARASITE COMPANYS DB DRAGRACEING IS THERE NORMAL CONSUMOR SALES and NORMAL OUSIDERS TO THE SPORT ARE JUST EXTRA SALES. DO YOU SEE TREO/DD/SHOCKER/ or ALMAGATES L7s in a Best Buy or Circurit City Store ??? :P
Jason
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quote:Originally posted by Mouse Trap: Parasiteiology An organism that grows, feeds, and is sheltered on or in a different organism while contributing nothing to the survival of its host. 2. a. One who habitually takes advantage of the generosity of others without making any useful return.
In otherwords . Shocker DD Treo
Who we hurt.. Audiobahn Kenwood MTX Cerwinvega Kenwood Audiobahn Kenwood Pioneer Kenwood ... LOL
Does Kenwood Make high spl drivers? NO Does AudioBahn ? Nope Not really Does Pioneer ? No Does MTX? Yes there starting to. Cerwinvega? Yup
What I;m saying is this There are only about 3 companys who SUPPORT''' DB DRAGRACEING WHO CAN EVEN come Close to making prouduct that is Worthy of standing up to a PARASITE companys Woofers and amplifiers.
TOP OF THE LINE DRIVERS AT WORLD FINALS.:
SHOCKER DD TREO PLANET AUDIO Rockford MMATS VEGA KICKER MTX all had decent results How many do you see support THOUSANDS of Dollars to the sport?
2 maybe 3 companys.
Ben Fisher is right. If Kenwood or Audiobahn made a prouduct that was like no other and was proven to be awsome! then we would buy them! It's very obvious that people only use what will get them to the winners circle. And if they dont somone else will.
Last but not Least...
IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN! BIG COMPANYS CANT SELL WHAT WE WANT AND NEED FOR THERE ( NORMAL CONSUMOR SALES) There for if they cant make money off a certian line its not worth it for them. As For the PARASITE COMPANYS DB DRAGRACEING IS THERE NORMAL CONSUMOR SALES and NORMAL OUSIDERS TO THE SPORT ARE JUST EXTRA SALES. DO YOU SEE TREO/DD/SHOCKER/ or ALMAGATES L7s in a Best Buy or Circurit City Store ??? :P
Jason
very we'll said! I agree!
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quote:Originally posted by Mouse Trap: Parasiteiology An organism that grows, feeds, and is sheltered on or in a different organism while contributing nothing to the survival of its host. 2. a. One who habitually takes advantage of the generosity of others without making any useful return.
In otherwords . Shocker DD Treo
Who we hurt.. Audiobahn Kenwood MTX Cerwinvega Kenwood Audiobahn Kenwood Pioneer Kenwood ... LOL
Does Kenwood Make high spl drivers? NO Does AudioBahn ? Nope Not really Does Pioneer ? No Does MTX? Yes there starting to. Cerwinvega? Yup
What I;m saying is this There are only about 3 companys who SUPPORT''' DB DRAGRACEING WHO CAN EVEN come Close to making prouduct that is Worthy of standing up to a PARASITE companys Woofers and amplifiers.
TOP OF THE LINE DRIVERS AT WORLD FINALS.:
SHOCKER DD TREO PLANET AUDIO Rockford MMATS VEGA KICKER MTX all had decent results How many do you see support THOUSANDS of Dollars to the sport?
2 maybe 3 companys.
Ben Fisher is right. If Kenwood or Audiobahn made a prouduct that was like no other and was proven to be awsome! then we would buy them! It's very obvious that people only use what will get them to the winners circle. And if they dont somone else will.
Last but not Least...
IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN! BIG COMPANYS CANT SELL WHAT WE WANT AND NEED FOR THERE ( NORMAL CONSUMOR SALES) There for if they cant make money off a certian line its not worth it for them. As For the PARASITE COMPANYS DB DRAGRACEING IS THERE NORMAL CONSUMOR SALES and NORMAL OUSIDERS TO THE SPORT ARE JUST EXTRA SALES. DO YOU SEE TREO/DD/SHOCKER/ or ALMAGATES L7s in a Best Buy or Circurit City Store ??? :P
Jason
Yeah, well said, but you totally missed the point. Point being, Wayne wants more manufacturer support. I.E. DD, Shocker, etc. having a manufacturer's membership and/or a booth at finals. Not riding the coat tails.
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Fifteen Time SPL World Champions-----26 SPL World Records DB Drag == IASCA == USACi == MECA
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I think the reason Ben took offence is because Wayne has in the past called us parasites...
No hard feelings here, just pointing out a fact that most people don't know!
Wayne, if you only knew the potential of the little companies that you hate so much...I am not taking it personally as I know that I am not the only one you don't like...The only thing that bothers me to no end is that in the early days of dBDrag before it became well known you must remember who put the time into it...dBDrag would not have came this far without the little companies there to push it and you know it! I know that in Oh, In, Mi and Pa my little company has had a major influence on the competition arena...I know that I have pushed all of my dealers to promote dB Drag shows...I know that 2 tripple point events and 3 double point events were hosted by shocker dealers last year...I would call that a contribution....You have to see it for what it is...look past the actual money that flows in and out of your hand and look at those behind the scenes...pushing the competitors...pushing the retailers...know who that is...know that the little guys really do count and help in ways you haven't even begun to give credit to!
Think of it this way...sure, everybody wants a better prize for winning...and I don't blame them...Sure, the big corporations can give you big money and therefore give the big prizes...However, you don't see them producing equipment that is competitive now do you? I believe at one time you said Sony was one of your biggest sponcers...how many sony subs or amps were used at finals??? How about Kenwood??? I can think of one using their product...They have the money to do big things, but they choose not to make the equipment to do it...QUICK QUESTION??
DO YOU KNOW WHY???????
LET ME TELL YOU...IT ISN'T PROFITTABLE...AND THEY KNOW IT! SHAME ON YOU IF YOU THINK THAT SUPPORTING YOUR ORGANIZATION YIELDS ANY RETURN FOR A MANUFACTURER...IT DOESN'T!
If anyone out there would know this, it would be me...My product was used by 3 world champions and that did nothing for me...(let me clarify...any SMALL gains in sales that could possibly be contributed to the success our team has seen in the lanes has been more than eaten whole by the support these guys need to be competitive) I have supported them and in turn supported dBDrag not for a good return, but for the thrill of competition and for the fun...has everyone forgotten why they got into this "sport" in the first place???
To me, the thrill was in designing and building equipment that could outperform the competition thus helping to maintain an edge for the team...Where, might I ask, was the big dogs in this chase for better equipment? THEY DIDN'T AND MOST LIKELY STILL DON'T CARE...Cheap amps and subs are what sell...
Why you ask? Simple...look at the noise ordinances found in every town...you can have a little bump and be allright, but in most areas any more than that and bam...you get a ticket...and the kids know it...and that takes any desire to purchase the high dollar equipment that can take you to finals right out of the budget! Only a select few are willing to spend that money and in turn they want more than just a well known big brand name...THEY WANT TO WIN!
ps, when Sony and Kenwood start making $1000 subs, you will know they want to be competitive! Please don't take this post the wrong way...see it for the validity that it has...understand...step back for one minute and put yourself in the shoes of the competitors and the small manufacturers...it isn't all peaches and cream...not for everyone!
quote:Originally posted by shock: I think the reason Ben took offence is because Wayne has in the past called us parasites...
No hard feelings here, just pointing out a fact that most people don't know!
Wayne, if you only knew the potential of the little companies that you hate so much...I am not taking it personally as I know that I am not the only one you don't like...The only thing that bothers me to no end is that in the early days of dBDrag before it became well known you must remember who put the time into it...dBDrag would not have came this far without the little companies there to push it and you know it! I know that in Oh, In, Mi and Pa my little company has had a major influence on the competition arena...I know that I have pushed all of my dealers to promote dB Drag shows...I know that 2 tripple point events and 3 double point events were hosted by shocker dealers last year...I would call that a contribution....You have to see it for what it is...look past the actual money that flows in and out of your hand and look at those behind the scenes...pushing the competitors...pushing the retailers...know who that is...know that the little guys really do count and help in ways you haven't even begun to give credit to!
Think of it this way...sure, everybody wants a better prize for winning...and I don't blame them...Sure, the big corporations can give you big money and therefore give the big prizes...However, you don't see them producing equipment that is competitive now do you? I believe at one time you said Sony was one of your biggest sponcers...how many sony subs or amps were used at finals??? How about Kenwood??? I can think of one using their product...They have the money to do big things, but they choose not to make the equipment to do it...QUICK QUESTION??
DO YOU KNOW WHY???????
LET ME TELL YOU...IT ISN'T PROFITTABLE...AND THEY KNOW IT! SHAME ON YOU IF YOU THINK THAT SUPPORTING YOUR ORGANIZATION YIELDS ANY RETURN FOR A MANUFACTURER...IT DOESN'T!
If anyone out there would know this, it would be me...My product was used by 3 world champions and that did nothing for me...(let me clarify...any SMALL gains in sales that could possibly be contributed to the success our team has seen in the lanes has been more than eaten whole by the support these guys need to be competitive) I have supported them and in turn supported dBDrag not for a good return, but for the thrill of competition and for the fun...has everyone forgotten why they got into this "sport" in the first place???
To me, the thrill was in designing and building equipment that could outperform the competition thus helping to maintain an edge for the team...Where, might I ask, was the big dogs in this chase for better equipment? THEY DIDN'T AND MOST LIKELY STILL DON'T CARE...Cheap amps and subs are what sell...
Why you ask? Simple...look at the noise ordinances found in every town...you can have a little bump and be allright, but in most areas any more than that and bam...you get a ticket...and the kids know it...and that takes any desire to purchase the high dollar equipment that can take you to finals right out of the budget! Only a select few are willing to spend that money and in turn they want more than just a well known big brand name...THEY WANT TO WIN!
ps, when Sony and Kenwood start making $1000 subs, you will know they want to be competitive! Please don't take this post the wrong way...see it for the validity that it has...understand...step back for one minute and put yourself in the shoes of the competitors and the small manufacturers...it isn't all peaches and cream...not for everyone!
But Mike you might actually make more money if you'd stop worrying about those 2-3 "world class competitors" and make and ship the subs all the other "little people" actually order. I agree with some of what your saying Mike but I think your also missing some of the big picture also..Your so worried about how many ppl win at finals win using your subs you forget about the little ppl. And it's the liitle ppl that could make your small company someday become a as big as RF, JL, etc..
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Don't get me wrong, I am able to pay a few extra dollars to dB Drag, but you are making this into only a professionals sport. I love to compete and I will continue to compete but while you guys are going to bring all the things you want for TV, magazines , prizes and all that other stuff, you will also bring in only the competitors that are the best and competitors that will continue to win every year. To some it up, You are destroying the fun part and turning it into a race for money. The first event I went to was a one-time point event that had a total of 8 competitors show up. We had allot of fun competing against each other because the only thing we were competing for was bragging rights and some stupid little trophy which was given out to the top three in there class. That one time event turned out to be the one reason why I am so into dB Drag now. I was going to try to go to every event I could, to get up enough points to go to the world finals. Now I just want to watch. I know now that if you guys can get these cash prizes together I will not have a chance in my category at all and it will be a waste of my time to even compete. I no I mite be the only one that feels this way but if you do this you can scratch any hopes of gaining new competitors other than the demo and company vehicles. Competitors like me are going to have to sit on the sidelines and watch, not because we can't afford it, but because the competitors we will be competing with are the same competitors braking the world records every run..... It is a good idea but you have to leave some classes to competitors like me who just compete for that stupid little, no purpose trophy as you world finalist seem to think of it and a little bragging rights. To me, just be able to say: HA HA. I’m louder than you, is a great feeling.
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point well taken DodgeRam...and believe me...after what I went through this year...that focus is changing a bit...(that is why we are making cheaper drivers next year...to make sales instead of champions) However, even you run a product that would be in danger of such changes...if you enjoy your ability to use those subs...you should seriously look at what is actually at stake here! I know of at least a couple small companies that won't buy a membership no matter what and I know of one that wasn't allowed to last year! The problem is, by stating you should only buy products from companies that have dBDrag memberships, that insinuates that said membership is available to anyone wanting to buy it...and last year it was not...
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my real email addy is shocker_mike@yahoo.com but wayne don't allow yahoo accounts so my account is working off of a dead email! Posts: 1757 | From: sherwood | Registered: Jul 1999
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when i compete, sure i pay entry fee, petrol expenses, sometimes hotel bills, the cost of my equipment and car and all that......ok some money at the end would be nice, but is it neccessary???...what drives me is getting that trophy, be it 1st, 2nd or 3rd place.
to me, money on your shelf can't show achievments but a db drag trophy will!
i agree with AQ, having big cash money prizes for finals might draw more spectaters then competitors.
jaggy
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Shock, you are clueless. I won't even waste my time trying to educate you on what works and doesn't work for the auto sound market. (I believe I am somewhat qualified to speak on this matter - http://www.termpro.com/wayne/whbio.html ) In addition, how can you presume to tell me what dB Drag Racing was like in the beginning?
You should also quit lumping yourself in with companines like Treo, DD, etc. From what I have seen and heard, your company shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence. In fact some of the companies you are using in a pathetic attempt to bolster your own stature have actually contacted me and asked if I could do something to make you stop using their brand names in conjunction with your own.
While dB Drag Racing may not have done anything for you (You gotta wonder though, who ever heard of you before you started participating in dB Drag Racing?), you have done nothing but hurt the sport of dB Drag Racing. Your continual bashing of me, the dBDRA, and the constant whining and bitching by the group of individuals you surround yourself with has turned off a lot of people to the sport. I would be eternally grateful if you would go somewhere else and take all of those who don't like me or the dBDRA with you.
In any case, our definition of what constitutes "commercially available" will be significantly altered this year to ensure that only truly commercially available products are used in dB Drag Racing competition.
Hit the road. Hasta-la-vista. Adios.
[ 12-19-2001: Message edited by: Wayne Harris ]
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quote:Originally posted by Wayne Harris: Shock, you are clueless. I won't even waste my time trying to educate you on what works and doesn't work for the auto sound market. (I believe I am somewhat qualified to speak on this matter - http://www.termpro.com/wayne/whbio.html ) In addition, how can you presume to tell me what dB Drag Racing was like in the beginning?
You should also quit lumping yourself in with companines like Treo, DD, etc. From what I have seen and heard, your company shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence. In fact some of the companies you are using in a pathetic attempt to bolster your own stature have actually contacted me and asked if I could do something to make you stop using their brand names in conjunction with your own.
While dB Drag Racing may not have done anything for you (You gotta wonder though, who ever heard of you before you started participating in dB Drag Racing?), you have done nothing but hurt the sport of dB Drag Racing. Your continual bashing of me, the dBDRA, and the constant whining and bitching by the group of individuals you surround yourself with has turned off a lot of people to the sport. I would be eternally grateful if you would go somewhere else and take all of those who don't like me or the dBDRA with you.
In any case, our definition of what constitutes "commercially available" will be significantly altered this year to ensure that only truly commercially available products are used in dB Drag Racing competition.
Hit the road. Hasta-la-vista. Adios.
[ 12-19-2001: Message edited by: Wayne Harris ]
Oh my. I think I hit the proverbial nail on the head a month or two ago.
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If anyone try to get big cash on final, first you have to support dB Drag by sending out the letter to all the stereo shop and manufactory asking for donation to support the sport.
Wayne, should be the one info the written letter showing this is for dB Drag final. Competitor use the letter go to their local stereo shop asking for donation. The stereo shop can mail the donation check to the dB Drag department and save for the final, that way winner will get large cash pay. Don't forget competitor who meet should donation from the shop should have free membership and discount (half price) for final registration or something like that.
This method is works, we have done this in school to support autocross events. We went to all the repair shop asking for donation to support automotive events. We get quit a lot of money to run the event.
Since, we in stereo system we can do it the same by asking any shop that carried stereo to help support the final event or the sport that support their shop. A $20-100 bucks is no problem with shop some shop even give more then you think. They can use the donation as tax deductable on their business.
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