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What do you guys think about this idea that an "elbow" of all people thought up. Let's take dbdrag to the next level. I mean so big that they may even put world finals on t.v. live one day. Lets make all single point events cost 30.00 to enter.Lets not give out anymore trophies. Lets give out official certificates for first place to eighth place with your spl written on them and all sighned by the judge. Take 10.00 per class from first to eighth and put it towards a world finals cash pot. Take 5.00 per class from first place to eighth place for a state championship or in some cases a foriegn country championship. Take 5.00 per class to pay for the certificate.Take the last 10.00 and let the judge and whoever threw the show split it down the middle but the judge should get 100.00 minimum. Anyone who places nineth or worse would be impossible to track so that entire 30.00 should be split between the judge and whoever threw the show. That would help keep it honest. You rarely have that many people at a show.This would increase the the number of people who compete.This would increase the number of authorized retailers who throw shows.This would make it more like a sport. Double point shows should cost 60.00 and triple point shows should cost 90.00.Db drag corporation could profit from the competitors memborships,retail memborships,calibrator rentals, triple point fees, and could keep anything it takes in over the 102,000.00 that will be needed to give away 5000.00 for first, 2500.00 for second, and 1000.00 needed for third for the twelve classes that now exist.From forth down I think a trophy is enough. Of course at world finals first thru third would also get a trophy.This would illiminate the need for sponsorships to throw the finals and all sponsorship money and television money could also go to the dbdrag corporation. Wayne my idea is designed to also help compensate you for all your time and efforts. This may also spark an increase in the car stereo retail side of the industry. That may be very important with the way things have been going for the past few years. I know there are lot lot of bugs that need to be worked out. That is why I am asking for my fellow dbdragers input on this idea.Wayne you can pull this off if you agree with it. No other spl league has a following like yours. This can only work with a level of participation that you presently own. Maybe you should do it before some other organization trys to pull it off. There will be over a 1000 events this year. The math adds up I think. The state championship jackpots would work the same way but would be much smaller jackpots. p.s. Don't hate the "real" elbows. We are here to only better this sport and industry. I guess our names are cool and we picked up some unwanted hitch hikers. Good luck to all and see you in the lanes!
-------------------- the head elbow of all the elbows. Posts: 32 | From: federalprisoncampsaufley,pensacola,fl | Registered: Jul 2001
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The only problem with that is your gonna lose a LOT of the guys who just come out a couple times a year, who don't even know they are gaining points, who have no intention of trying to make finals, and who just wanna see what their car can hit. I love this hobby just as much as the next guy, but I'm not willing to pay upwards of $300 for just a couple months just to ENTER the shows. i do like winning money though...
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hey disco, unless your area throws free shows you allready spend the same money.If all you want to know is how loud yout car is than enter 1 show. Some people must not appreciate anything because everything cost money.Try to go and buy your own termlab,tropies,retail membership, pay a judge and then see how your 300.00 for a years worth of competeing compares.Oh, don't forget about the 5000.00 you could win.
-------------------- the head elbow of all the elbows. Posts: 32 | From: federalprisoncampsaufley,pensacola,fl | Registered: Jul 2001
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I don't know about those entrance fees... but cash prizes would populize the sport more I believe.
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The only thing cash prises will do, is bring out the ones who already have money, to get more money, and the little guys with the little systems, will still be left out. This is supposed to be about fun, and the sport of competition, lets not turn it into a business for the rich only. JOHO.
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I believe finals should have a higher purse, but I also believe the finals competitors should pay for it through higher entry fees for finals.
I think finals should be 250-300 per competitor, and use the additional 75-125 per competitor to increase the prize money. that would be enough to offer some real money, at least enough to pay to get the car to nashville.
I know everyone will have a problem with the extra money, but when you consider the 2000+ dollars it takes to get a car to finals, whats another 100 bucks, if it doubles the prize money.
And also, if you think that 300 dollars is too much, I would like you toname many other sports, etc. that only cost 175 for world finals registration.
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Just think if we could have added 10bucks to a $20 entry fee at the beginning of the year. With all of the Triple Point events and the 2X point events there could have been some serious prize money! I personally think that atomic's got the right idea. I beleive The DbDRA Association would grow tremendesly. And you guy's complaining about entry fee's. Are you guy's competing free or what. And what is your competitor fee.
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if we are trying to make this sport grow, making an entrance fee of 90 bucks at x3 events is going to vers this. I mean, like said, and for my self this year, going to shows KNOWING that you have no chance at finals, and paying 90 bucks per show...I would only go to single point events and I KNEW FOR SURE that I had a chance at winning.... with the type of people that are in this sport, spending half of there pay checks to buy and keep equipment running, not to mention the cost of getting to the shows....come on...I think DbDrag would lose allot of people to USAC and Idbl....
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What better way to raise the intensity of dB Drag than to offer cash prizes? I think it's a good idea, but we must think the whole thing out and consider how it will affect the little guys. I'm sure we can figure out a way to offer serious prizes and still keep the little guy in the mix.
Right now you guys compete for sponsorships, your shop's recognition, braggin rights, and just plain wanting to be the best. Adding cash will be a big incentive that will intensify the level of competition.
good luck guys,
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Back in the 80s, Wayne won a new truck for winning a show in Tx. Now you get 1k for winning finals, and one of the winning systems now probably cost more than all the cars at that show in Tx...COMBINED.
See a problem here?
We need real prize money.... maybe 10k cash to loudest of show on top of other prizes
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hey hgca. I would like you to call wayne up and ask him how much it would cost for you to throw a triple point show. Then add 1000.00 for trophies because they got to be real big. Then rent a site.Then pay some guys to place mics,control parking,hire security and spend some money on advertising and giveaways. Count how many people usually attend a triple and tell me how much you need per competitor to just break even. Remember you get 3 times the points too. 90.00 ain't bad after all.
-------------------- the head elbow of all the elbows. Posts: 32 | From: federalprisoncampsaufley,pensacola,fl | Registered: Jul 2001
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I am not saying that the shows are not expensive but, when a shop regesters to put on a show I think they have the option of it's points value....
These people could throw smaller shows and they wouldn't lose so much money....
Ok, now in the real world....common sense tells me, that the only reason shops host shows is for the publicity. AND, the profits for the free demos that lead to sales. Let's say your local beginer goes to a show. He blows a fuse, 5 bucks, comp cd 20-25$ thats like 7 dollars profit they just made. And when that kid get's beat, he goes back to THAT shop to buy his equipment.
If it was ALL that bad they would not be doing it...plain and simple, all the reasons in the world don't explain it as well as that.
Heres an idea, Instead of all the manufactures blowing there money on stupid ass scream offs and other stupid marketing ploys that at finals and big shows like SBN they should HAVE to put the money into prizes for the REAL competitors...AND, I think all theses cars that are sponsered and get all there equipment for free should have a extra 500 tagged on to the entry fee. That might sound harsh, but who's gonna pay it? The sponsering company not the competitor, because if the car costs 500 bucks to get to finals and the owner can't afford it they will front the bill. They want the name in the scenes, they will pay.
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I agree with yo atomic on the fees. My only thing that you did not mention is that with an invitation to nationals should come a free entry. Yes competitors still pay for room and board. I mean we as competitors travel and pay to be members of this sanctioning body and have to earn the right to compete at nationals so when we do get invited shouldn't the entry be free? I mean in all other sports at the finals level everybody competes for bragging rights and money for free!
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I agree we need to do something......The shows here in the Dallas area suck.....I won't name the company that puts them on...But no trophies.....no cash prizes...Nothing.....I'm concerned about the new guys that come out and get nothing....they usually walk away going.....Is this all?? I haven't seen the same ppl coming back except just a few regulars like me and a few of my friends....I'd pay alittle more fees for better run shows
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No way...the sponsors can definitely cough up the prize purse money...!! Why should we pay more for entrance fees when we are already buying all their gear...they should be coughing up the money...!! just my 2 cents...
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I agree whit $30, $60 and $90 If same one only one to know what the car can do I have mi meter every show I can help whit no charge because you have to understain How much time and money it takes to build a good spl car and then people ask: All this equipment and how much do you win?
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A similar idea was proposed last year at this time, and then again prior to SBN, by Steve Cook and myself. I dont think it has to be too complicated, having a standard amount to register for all shows has its pros and cons, but all we need is an extra $5.00 per competitor/per show, a way to track those fees, and a escrow account set up by dB DRAG. You would have to have a standardized registration form for all events, that way the promoter would have to submit a copy along with $5.00 for every registered competitor. Now that would add up! Lets hear more...
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quote:Originally posted by NOS: A similar idea was proposed last year at this time, and then again prior to SBN, by Steve Cook and myself. I dont think it has to be too complicated, having a standard amount to register for all shows has its pros and cons, but all we need is an extra $5.00 per competitor/per show, a way to track those fees, and a escrow account set up by dB DRAG. You would have to have a standardized registration form for all events, that way the promoter would have to submit a copy along with $5.00 for every registered competitor. Now that would add up! Lets hear more...
Frank Holmberg TEAM HERTZ USA ***EXTREME***
I like that idea!! Thing is though, With close to 1,000 shows a year, Wayne would definately have to hire someone to take care of the money alone. Let's see, if we have 1,000 shows with 15 people average. That's $75 per show, that's $75,000 total....hrm....Not too bad. And it all boils down to $5 extra.
I REALLY like this idea.
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Frank I remeber that post ....several of us tried really hard but I still think It can be done .....just will take a little effort and im sure it would be worth it
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Come on guy's 10bucks is not that much to add to the entry fee of every competitor and a 2X or 3X event. These spl vehicles cost alot of money to build. Jaime you've got the right idea. If anyones complaining now about money then your definetly in the wrong sport. The next step to make this sport a huge sport is to make it worth while. My dream is to help this sport become a major sport like the rest of them. DAMIT WE SHOULD BE ON TV! One Day. Keep this in mind about that last comment. Wayne and his wife has done a oustanding job! Iasca there was to many hands in the cookie jar.Let's keep that in mind!
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I could be convinced to pay $25.00 but I am not going to start paying $30 per event when I'm already spending a ton of money on the travel, lodging and all the gear...!! Besides not all the 3X events are only $20...the portland event cost $50.00...!! So now what, do I end up paying $60.0 for that one...?? No way...!! That trip ended up costing me over $200 just for that one event...!!
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I like the Idea of 10000 dollar prize money to the winners in each class at finals.I would definatly bring a vehicle of my own to finals then. I hope someone is taking notes, hint hint.
-------------------- -Donald Hebig -Still waiting to see 170 @ 30hz(only 20 more db to go!) Posts: 1856 | From: Saskatoon, Saskatchewan. Canada | Registered: Feb 2000
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quote:Originally posted by Johnny-toyo: am not going I could be convinced to pay $25.00 but I to start paying $30 per event when I'm already spending a ton of money on the travel, lodging and all the gear...!! Besides not all the 3X events are only $20...the portland event cost $50.00...!! So now what, do I end up paying $60.0 for that one...?? No way...!! That trip ended up costing me over $200 just for that one event...!!
You missed the point dude. Add 10bucks to every triple point events and double's. Just a comment, but I spend alot more on a road trip than that and I'm sure that I'm not the only one.
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