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I'm so tired of seeing people using 100 and above freqs...whats the deal people....its about BASS......KEEP IT REAL!!!!....Are there going to be any rule changes for the 2000 season regarding high freqs?..If a new rule were made...making EVERY sanctioned event use a 80hz filter....and say Term-Pro made such a device...hmm...sounds like they would make money...Just a suggestion.....
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Posts: 33 | From: Mansfield,ohio,usa | Registered: Jun 1999
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What is Bass? No one has been able to define it or find a standard from a respectable acoustical society.
I play above 80 and below 80. I play the game like ever other heavy hitter at local shows. If there was going to be a filter (which there isn't just a "spectrum analyzer" to tell if the key frequency is above 80) then it should have been implented at every show. You can't evn tell what numbers are for real on the leaderboard. So as far as "real" national standings it's ridiculous to take the leaderboard at face value. To the best of my knowledge, currently #1 in SPL under 80 Hz is Jeff Wright . (someone correct me if I'm wrong)
If I can play high and get a bigger number at local shows I will do it and so will a lot of others. Seems to me the big hitters still do well either way.
The trend in dB Drag (nothing against dB Drag) has been if there isn't a rule against then it's legal hence, high frequencies at local shows and high numbers.
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I understand what Sperlaky is saying, but you have to look at it in another way also. People want to win and will do (hopefully) whatever is in the rules to do it. Wayne gives local promoters LOTS of leeway to manage shows for their convienence. Many times on the local level, the promoters don't use the 80 hz. rule. The big BUT about the whole thing is this: Someone using high notes at local loosely moderated shows could beat people using 80 hz. notes, taking spots away from low-note people at national and regional events where the low-noter might have beaten the high note vehicle. Just one way of looking at it..The rules would be MUCH more effective if enforced on all levels (wasn't rule enforcement the big arguement at the end of last season)? JMHO
Posts: 5348 | From: Nash-Vegas, TN | Registered: May 1999
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Yes. If there is going to be a filter then filter all events. Maybe what I and many other comepotitors do will bring this filtering at local shows up for discussion later. I don't care which way it goes but, I will say this I always play within the rules.
As far as a magazine saying all events are filtered... that is incorrect if that is ideed what it said.
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From what I know about the dbdrag, the mics aren't readable above 80hz. They will read it, but anything above it will be read like an 18db/octave crossover slope. Thus the reading would be less than reality. I may be wrong though.
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Posts: 2542 | From: Moberly, MO USA | Registered: Jun 1999
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The mic filter (do we actually have to go over this again) is actually a counter that shows the fundamental peak frequency that is being read. If that frequency is over 80hz then that vehicle is red flagged and the score is disqualified.
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I agree with you 100% Rich. It does take away from the hard work of TRUE competitors when some idiot comes in and plays high freqs. If we do not change this, we will see some people get frustrated about local shows and they might stop competing or find other sanctioning bodies that will listen. Bottom line, if you can't enforce the rules then don't bother making them!
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Oh man, so what yer saying is that if i used say a 100hz tone, that i could possibly beat someone useing an 80hz one? Man, that pisses me off that the local shows arent regulated more. But just keep in mind im new at this DB Drag and stereo install stuff.
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Guys, we all know we CAN hit higher (usually) at a high note. I know there have been shows I've been at where if I bothered to FIND my high note, I could have won... but I still played my good ol' 35 hz note...Looking back at it.. I could use some of those pts back, considering I've had 2 (count em---2) shows this year with all my equipment. MMATS quality at it's best, I tell ya
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Posts: 1770 | From: Baton Rouge, LA | Registered: May 1999
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Hey Thor, Your note should definately be higher than 35 hz. Dukk posted something in another thread that made a lot of sense concerning this. You told me your box was tuned to 35 hz. Dukk said he observed that ported boxes usually make the most SPL at about 1/2 octave above the tuning frequency, due to the port and speaker acting together the most efficiently, which makes a lot of sense to me. I had a friend do a Drag here, and we found his highest SPL note to be about 55 hz. His box is tuned to 39 hz, though. I would say to try about 45-50 hz to start off with your system and I would expect your score could possibly go up a little. I don't think that 35 is your highest SPL note with what you've got. Worth trying, anyway
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buzz, I disagree with you on that one, my box is tuned to 50hz and it is loudest @50hz! It depends on what size enclosure and how the driver reacts to it, also the impedance can sometimes get in the way. In my case, the impedance is around 4 ohms at 50hz but it jumps to about 8 ohms at 60hz thus ruining the peak shown on the responce curve. The problem with the responce curves shown on box building programs is that they don't show the direct gains and losses from the impedance thus showing (phony- I use that loosely) peaks!!!
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Actually, When all this car audio stuff started..I mean like in the early 80's it was about bass, mainly in parking lots on a cruising night. So why should it be different now? So what your saying is if I put 800 4" mids and play like 3Khz...hmm....that should be loud...but is it going to make people buy my equipment??I don't think so.Its about keeping a sport alive..and its got to be REAL...When i first got into soundoffs..SPL wasn't even on the roster.Now its the biggest sport..and i believe its the best competition format going. It just needs a little refining.
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Posts: 33 | From: Mansfield,ohio,usa | Registered: Jun 1999
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