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Wayne, I have a question regarding the uniform thickness of glass in the extreme class. If I had 4" of plexiglass on the inside of the drivers side and 4" of plexi glass on the out side of the passenger side is this legal?
-------------------- Mike and Mark Rip_Rock@shaw.ca
quote:Originally posted by Rip Rock: Wayne, I have a question regarding the uniform thickness of glass in the extreme class. If I had 4" of plexiglass on the inside of the drivers side and 4" of plexi glass on the out side of the passenger side is this legal?
No
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dBSteve Get Loud Productions LLC Posts: 8357 | From: Midwest | Registered: Aug 2000
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quote:Originally posted by dBSteve: I tell you what ... lets make this damn thing simple. If you have JLW13's you must compete in a class with 15's. there, thats easy enough. So much for me looking out for competitors.
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After reading the street rules they look great but help me understand one thing. Are they talking about not allowing modified amps in street. If this is the case I think this will be a problem because a lot of amps can't be destinguished if they have if they have been modified or not. Can someone please clearify this for me.
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quote:Originally posted by dtbrown: After reading the street rules they look great but help me understand one thing. Are they talking about not allowing modified amps in street. If this is the case I think this will be a problem because a lot of amps can't be destinguished if they have if they have been modified or not. Can someone please clearify this for me.
yes, it HASN'T been mentioned and its not even a topic. There is nothing to discuss.
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dBSteve Get Loud Productions LLC Posts: 8357 | From: Midwest | Registered: Aug 2000
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dbsteve, So is this topic about this rule closed and that's it, or should I make a topic about it?
Posts: 1252 | From: elgin | Registered: Jan 2003
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quote:Originally posted by dBSteve: Wall test using the window line rule does need addressed.
When there is a Usaci/dB Drag show together, few Usaci competitors will be able to compete in our street classes due to box height.
However, all dB Drag competitors can legally compete in Usac because our rules require shorter boxes.
Less Usaci competitors running dB Drag More dB Drag competitors running Usaci
I guess we can do this for 2004 and see what happens then hopefully change it for next year.
Actually, the rules pertaining to enclosure height, is identical for both USACi and dB Drag Racing. The wording is slightly different, but the limitation is the same.
USACI stock class: Neither the enclosure nor any devices affixed to the enclosure may protrude above the bottom of the side or rear glass panels.
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"loading walls must be constructed from a completely clear material"
A definition for "loading wall" should be given. This rule may require a bandpass box or internal baffle boards to be made of plexi.
Having this rule drasticly increases build cost of some new ideas. Clear material costs enormus ammounts more than MDF. How much does a 30"x30"x4" piece cost?
It seems the intention is to allow the judges/others to see the sound system to police rules. Just simply require that the competitor must have a way of showing equipment, such as removable pannel or window.
quote:Originally posted by dBSteve: Wall test using the window line rule does need addressed.
When there is a Usaci/dB Drag show together, few Usaci competitors will be able to compete in our street classes due to box height.
However, all dB Drag competitors can legally compete in Usac because our rules require shorter boxes.
Less Usaci competitors running dB Drag More dB Drag competitors running Usaci
I guess we can do this for 2004 and see what happens then hopefully change it for next year.
Actually, the rules pertaining to enclosure height, is identical for both USACi and dB Drag Racing. The wording is slightly different, but the limitation is the same.
USACI stock class: Neither the enclosure nor any devices affixed to the enclosure may protrude above the bottom of the side or rear glass panels.
Not true. In USAC the box may be as tall as the side or rear window in the cargo area. In dBDrag, it must be lower than the front side windows. On several vehicles, this is not the same. One Example: Ford Mustang (80s model hatch) there are no side windows by the hatch area (behind the seats) and you can build up to the bottom of the rear window (about 13-14 inches). If you go by the front windows, it is approximately 2 inches shorter. That's not a lot, but the difference between 11 inches and 14 is large margin if you're trying to use 12s.
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quote:6-7c All loudspeaker enclosures and/or baffle boards with the exception of those mounted in the kick-panels or doors shall be located behind the trailing edge of the REARMOST side door(s) on the vehicle.
Exception:
· If the vehicle is an extended-cab or king-cab pick-up truck, then this restriction does not apply. This waiver only applies to pick-ups that have “jump seats” located behind the front seat. The dBDRA defines a “jump seat” as an OEM seat that was designed to be folded up against the side or back of the pickup’s passenger compartment.
this doesn't make sense, as far as the 'exception' goes.
The rule 6-7c should say rear most side windows not doors. what if the vehicle is a two door?
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dBSteve Get Loud Productions LLC Posts: 8357 | From: Midwest | Registered: Aug 2000
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quote:9-1 Competitors must accrue a minimum of 100 points during the current competition season. The dBDRA reserves the right to reduce this minimum if it believes the World Finals will be in jeopardy from a lack of participation.
This makes me feel alot better about the new promoting Ideas.
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quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by dBSteve:
I tell you what ... lets make this damn thing simple. If you have JLW13's you must compete in a class with 15's. there, thats easy enough. So much for me looking out for competitors.
Yeah thats basically what I was looking out for was fairness in the class. I have a jl 13w7 but rather than be a jerk and compete against other kids with less and post immature KOTEX crap I was simply addressing dBSteve's issue and post.
Steve the jl website says 107.35 sq. in. for the 13w7s cone area and the kicker website says 99.9875 for the L7 12"- in contrast the treo csx12" is listed as a mere 67.2 sq.in.
putting the 13w7 in the street b class is prob the most fair- thanks Steve
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3-8c Seats may be folded for competition, but may not be removed from the vehicle. Competitors who fold their seats must be able to demonstrate that the installation of the sound system does not interfere with the normal operation of the seats that were folded.
Additional Guidelines:
· A minimum separation of 12 inches (30.48 cm) must be maintained between the seat and the sensor location at all times.
· If a vehicle has more than 2 rows of seating, then the additional rows (3+) may be removed at the competitor’s discretion.
Should this rule also apply as section 3-9c, additional guidelines to folded seats?
just a small continueity error.
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With the 1000 cubic inch limit for betteries in street, does it mean this is legal: http://www.h-o-alternators.com/catalog/powrbank_7200_2716440.htm If this battery does what it says, we may be seeing crowns running full power in street. I heard somewhere that this is 2 stinger 1700 in one case, which would really mess street classes up
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quote:Originally posted by seege: With the 1000 cubic inch limit for betteries in street, does it mean this is legal: http://www.h-o-alternators.com/catalog/powrbank_7200_2716440.htm If this battery does what it says, we may be seeing crowns running full power in street. I heard somewhere that this is 2 stinger 1700 in one case, which would really mess street classes up
That is correct... and 34.75in^3 to spare...
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quote:Originally posted by seege: With the 1000 cubic inch limit for betteries in street, does it mean this is legal: http://www.h-o-alternators.com/catalog/powrbank_7200_2716440.htm If this battery does what it says, we may be seeing crowns running full power in street. I heard somewhere that this is 2 stinger 1700 in one case, which would really mess street classes up
That is correct... and 34.75in^3 to spare...
Actually, 6.792in^3 to spare
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dBSteve Get Loud Productions LLC Posts: 8357 | From: Midwest | Registered: Aug 2000
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quote:Originally posted by Shedluv: Not true. In USAC the box may be as tall as the side or rear window in the cargo area. In dBDrag, it must be lower than the front side windows. On several vehicles, this is not the same. One Example: Ford Mustang (80s model hatch) there are no side windows by the hatch area (behind the seats) and you can build up to the bottom of the rear window (about 13-14 inches). If you go by the front windows, it is approximately 2 inches shorter. That's not a lot, but the difference between 11 inches and 14 is large margin if you're trying to use 12s.
Not to debate the USACi rules, on the dB Drag rules forum, but no where does the USACi rules stipulate "in the cargo area". The USACi rule that I posted, was taken directly from the USACi rules. If I am mistaken, please correct me, and show me where the USACi rules state that only the windows "in the cargo area" are used to determine enclosure height allowances.
From what I have read of the USACi rules, and the dB Drag racing drafts, the same allowance is given for speaker enclosure height, in both USACi (stock class) and dB Drag Racing (street class).
But, if I am wrong, please forgive me.
Thank you.
PS. If this issue needs more clarification, to see if the USACi rules and dB Drag Racing rules are equally matched, Maybe Wayne could contact Ralph directly. Since both are working in unison now, keeping each close related to the other would be ideal. The best way for that to happen, would be to have the top officials of both, to converse directly.
quote:Originally posted by seege: With the 1000 cubic inch limit for betteries in street, does it mean this is legal: http://www.h-o-alternators.com/catalog/powrbank_7200_2716440.htm If this battery does what it says, we may be seeing crowns running full power in street. I heard somewhere that this is 2 stinger 1700 in one case, which would really mess street classes up
That is correct... and 34.75in^3 to spare...
Actually, 6.792in^3 to spare
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot.... I re-did the math 11" x 13.5" x 6.5" = 965.25in^3...
1000in^3 - 965.25in^3= ..?..?..
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quote:Originally posted by seege: With the 1000 cubic inch limit for betteries in street, does it mean this is legal: http://www.h-o-alternators.com/catalog/powrbank_7200_2716440.htm If this battery does what it says, we may be seeing crowns running full power in street. I heard somewhere that this is 2 stinger 1700 in one case, which would really mess street classes up
That is correct... and 34.75in^3 to spare...
Actually, 6.792in^3 to spare
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot.... I re-did the math 11" x 13.5" x 6.5" = 965.25in^3...
1000in^3 - 965.25in^3= ..?..?..
Yep, 6.792^3. Its easy to do the math if you have the correct size limits
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