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Still trying to sort that out myself - walls are still required (6-9a) in SS? As brought up in other posts - what will happen to the competitors interested in dbDrag who don't want a wall, but have more than four woofers in their trunks? Or have four woofers and eight amps, but no wall? (easily doable in the back of an SUV).
Not seeing anything discussing cargo/commercials in street max?
Signal-related question in street - does the exempt from the b-pillar rule equipment include CD changer unit?
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links on the rules website cubic inches / metric for battery sizes walls required needs addressed for those with alot of equipment in the trunk Define woofer size address OEM Dash in Extreme
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I don't have any plans to restrict Cargo Vans in Street Max because I don't see any real difference between those vehicles and any other type of vehicle. Maybe I am missing something as this continues to come up during discussion.
Let's hear more on the pro's and con's of requiring walls in Super Street.
I don't really have an issue with the location of the CD-Changer. I am more concerned about amplification.
Please note the wording regarding batteries and battery location. I have changed this significantly from the second draft. You can check it out at section 6-7i and 6-8f.
I also added a definition for the B-pillar.
I also corrected the Matrix for alternators. Battery boxes are also prohibited in Super Street 1-2 NW.
Thanks for everyones help.
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quote: 6-7f All auto sound equipment must be located below the plane that is used to determine compliance with the “wall test”.
Does this include tweeters that may have been mounted in the A pillars?
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The only issue that I mentioned that I think you haven't given a good logical answer to regards the wall requirement in SS.
While it is an extreme disadvantage for would-be competitors, there are and have been in many cases at shows I've been to, and/or officiated at, where a local kid has come up to compete, with 6-8 subs in a trunk. And I've seen the same in the back of SUVs, but below what would be considered the "wall line."
Additionally I've seen participants who have four subs and eight amps (again, not always the best allocation of resources, but this is what they've got.)
The way the rules read now, the promoter/retailer is going to have to tell this potential future competitor, customer and drag member that "nope, there's nowhere for you to play, sorry."
With removal of the mandatory wall, these competitors (again, while at a disadvantage) can compete, and at the same time learn from the retailer and other competitors, what it would take to make them even more competitive. Removing the wall requirement actually will help retailers and competition more - because you're not turning these guys away. It's a natural opening for the retailer hosting the show to say "look, I know you're not doing to well, but this is how I can help you be more competitive, and these are the products I have that will do so."
That is a far cry better than being told "nope, sorry, pack up your stuff and go home because you don't have a wall." What will happen is the potential competitor will be turned from dbDrag, the retailer, and perhaps competition as a whole, if he's told "nope, there's no class for you."
I don't think these competitors would impact the classing, I think just that the mandatory wall in SS could inhibit the competition and growth for dbDrag and the retailer.
That's the best "arguement" I can put forth for removing it.
Everything else, no affect either way - I just thought that perhaps a clarification on changers in street could help - as I know last year an issue at finals was that one was reportedly laying on a competitor's driver's seat during runs and not installed anywhere.
Perhaps verbage that all components of a system must be solidly installed as to not interfere with normal passenger carrying operations, and in accordance with other installation regulations ... (not amps just lying on the floor behind seats or in the cargo area, or changers lying on seats - which I guess would fall under the "not operating in an unsafe manner" clause)
I promise I'm not looking for new gray areas
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heres my question.......why would a wall be REQUIRED if i want to jump to SS3-4? I plan on using 4 18's this season but isnt it my disadvantage if i dont want to use a wall? If i bring my box (back of a Tahoe) to just barely above the window line is that still a wall even if they are aiming up?
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quote:Originally posted by Wayne Harris: I don't have any plans to restrict Cargo Vans in Street Max because I don't see any real difference between those vehicles and any other type of vehicle. Maybe I am missing something as this continues to come up during discussion.
Let's hear more on the pro's and con's of requiring walls in Super Street.
why make walls required in SS??
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sorry........krisa beat me too it , i was typing at the same time i guess, but since this rule will directly affect ME, i would like to know. Another thing i have to ask, is why there isnt a SS 3-4 NW? I did plan on keeping below my window line but if there isnt a NW then i guess i can do what i want.....only question is why would anyone be REQUIRED to have a wall?
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one thing i know has been talked about before, but i don't think recently is what happens if somebody shows up with some small subs/midbass drivers? lets say a guy shows up with 4 6.5" fosgate/bazooka or whatever subs.... do you count those 6.5's as 8" drivers (like would be the case if there was a "round-up to nearest size" rule? or would you just put that person in the lowest class.... even if they had like 10 of these lil guys. or would you make it 4(four) 6.5's limit for the Street A class.... and 8(eight) limit for Street B and so on?
i'm personally in favor of a round-up class. would solve any issues with people running a sub 8" driver.
gotta be careful on how you would word such a rule.... it shouldn't coun't midbasses from component sets, but should count those that are meant for SPL purposes.
EDIT: i guess i'm posting this cause i know in the near future(next year or so) there will start to be some smaller subs, that are in fact worthy of being called subs, and are capable of decent SPL when used properly....In the past excursion was limitations kept smaller woofers from being able to produce loud volumes below 80hz.... but we are getting closer & closer when cone size will be less of a factor cause the smaller drivers will also have decent excursion & low end extension.
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