quote:Originally posted by Wayne Harris: The battery can be put under the hood or in the trunck. (In Street and Street Max). Batteries may NOT be placed inside of the passenger compartement (even if the battery is behind a wall.)
If you have a hatchback, an SUV, a Van, or anything else without a trunck, you must put the battery under the hood.
how about cars that have battery inside passanger compartment already stock from Factory ?
BMW, Audi, Alfa, old VW... and there must be some others too!
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quote:Originally posted by bighen: So this means that trunk cars will have the advantage of putting their amps just a few inches from their battery instead of 10-15 feet away when you have the battery up front?
Martin, it dosnt matter where you place your battery - it will always be within a few inches from your amps
But your right, it doesnt make sense, that only trunk-cars can move the battery...
quote:Originally posted by Wayne Harris: The battery can be put under the hood or in the trunck. (In Street and Street Max). Batteries may NOT be placed inside of the passenger compartement (even if the battery is behind a wall.)
If you have a hatchback, an SUV, a Van, or anything else without a trunck, you must put the battery under the hood.
Wayne the rules looks grate. The only think that IMO looks un fair is the Trunk car vs the Hatchback cars, with the bat. location. IMO it should be the same for all.
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1000 cu. in. =ho alt 7200 is legal (993.208 cu. in.)...7200 short circuit amps (over 2x that of a 1700 o and lower internal res.) if you can fit it...and with no tray rule...i see alot of cutting going on. Should be enough for what ever big amp is out there.
I like this rule to... 6-7d If the vehicle is a 2-door hatchback, then all of the equipment in the sound system with the exception of the source unit and any dash-mounted signal processor(s) must be located behind the B-Pillars. I think though something should be said about spare tire wells...cause that will be the where everones amps will go.
I love this rule as long as the intent is followed and someone doesnt find a way around it ...but they will Amplifiers that are constructed in such a way as to circumvent the amp quantity limitation may be prohibited from use in this division or may count as multiple amplifiers. Please visit http://www.termpro.com/dbdrag/rules/rules1.html for more information.
I was wondering what the specifics on this rule is going to be. I would guess that if its in one board it will be ok? Any thing else illegal?
Now i just have to figure out how to fit a 7200 under the hood in a 4 door geo .
quote: 6-7d If the vehicle is a 2-door hatchback, then all of the equipment in the sound system with the exception of the source unit and any dash-mounted signal processor(s) must be located behind the B-Pillars.
Why this
how about amps under the seats, or under the dash ?
why 2 door hatchback, how about 4 door cars?
PS: not to mention that front speakers and cables, and... are also part of sound system
I think that amplifiers should be permitted under the seats,as long as they are for non subwoofer application.it should be inclusive of all vehicles,with standard cab trucks being the exception.
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Extreme Class rule. Needs to say that OEM is ok. Example, factory dash.
Super Street No-Wall, I feel that there should be no batteries under the vehicle. If you cant build down, then nothing should go down.
Also, Super Street, No modifications to the underside of the floor or firewall in front of the B-Pillar. As the rules are now, you could pour concrete under the factory floor and on the engine side of the firewall and be ok within the rules.
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quote:Originally posted by A-Rok: It states that for Super Street classes, a wall is required.
What happens to the competitor with no wall, 4 subs, and 8 amps? I think the required wall rule is not very necessary to be there.
Agreed. At several shows I've seen this, as well as people who've done this out of a trunk or the cargo area of an SUV.
It would be difficult for a promotor to say "I'm sorry, you can't compete because you don't have a wall and you've got too much stuff for any other class."
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primary/secondary battery locations links on the rules website cubic inches / metric for battery sizes # of alternators in Street Max and Super Street walls required needs addressed for those with alot of equipment in the trunk Street Battery matrix # of batteries 1,1,2 Define woofer size address OEM Dash in Extreme cargo vans addressed in Street Max are battery boxes allowed in No Wall
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The numbering of the Superstreet and Extreme should be changed to be consistent:
Street 3-8a 3-8b 3-8c 3-8d
Street Max 3-9a 3-9b
Superstreet 3-9c <--- should be 3-10a etc. 3-9d
Extreme 3-10a 3-10b <--- should be 3-11b etc.
Also in the 3-8c -- 3rd row seats being removable section -- maybe we should also state that if they are left in the vehicle, then their normal use restriction is waived to allow people to fold them, but not have to remove them.
If I am reading the rules right, according to the rules, if the vehicle is off in the judging lanes, then the "sound system" does not have to be powered by its primary electrical system. So I could have a large battery in the back of my vehicle next to the amps, not connected in any way to the rest of the vehicle for the sound system only. Then use the primary battery to pull into the lanes and remove it after doing so to be at the 1 battery limit for some classes. By the way the rules read, this is LEGAL. To me this is something that needs to be addressed.
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quote:Originally posted by -Chris McSweyn-: Is the Monster division eligable for World Records and the Extreme cup? I would guess not as it is an "Exhibition" class, but just checking.
I believe in definition (unless it was changed) it expressly said "no" to the cup/records/finals issue.
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quote:Originally posted by Wayne Harris: The battery can be put under the hood or in the trunck. (In Street and Street Max). Batteries may NOT be placed inside of the passenger compartement (even if the battery is behind a wall.)
If you have a hatchback, an SUV, a Van, or anything else without a trunck, you must put the battery under the hood.
Wayne the rules looks grate. The only think that IMO looks un fair is the Trunk car vs the Hatchback cars, with the bat. location. IMO it should be the same for all.
Every vehicle has a distinct set of advantages and disadvantages. For example, in a 2-door hatchback, the competitor can fill the entire back of the vehicle with equipment. In addition, the subwoofer enclosure can be mounted right behind the front seat. (In a 4 passenger vehicle, the enclosure must remain behind the back seat.) It could be argued that this gives 2-door hatchbacks an advantage.
For safety reasons, batteries should not be installed inside of the passenger compartment. Of course, if the the original OEM battery location is inside of the passenger compartment, then this restriction is waived.
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quote:Originally posted by Wayne Harris: The battery can be put under the hood or in the trunck. (In Street and Street Max). Batteries may NOT be placed inside of the passenger compartement (even if the battery is behind a wall.)
If you have a hatchback, an SUV, a Van, or anything else without a trunck, you must put the battery under the hood.
The only problem I have with this is that there is a possible grey area. If the rear seats of a trunk car fold down, doesn't that change the trunk to part of the passanger compartment. And of course, as stated by someone previously there is the issue of cars that already have the battery inside the passenger compartment from the factory. My Aurora has it's battery under the rear seat.
quote:Originally posted by Wayne Harris: The battery can be put under the hood or in the trunck. (In Street and Street Max). Batteries may NOT be placed inside of the passenger compartement (even if the battery is behind a wall.)
If you have a hatchback, an SUV, a Van, or anything else without a trunck, you must put the battery under the hood.
The only problem I have with this is that there is a possible grey area. If the rear seats of a trunk car fold down, doesn't that change the trunk to part of the passanger compartment. And of course, as stated by someone previously there is the issue of cars that already have the battery inside the passenger compartment from the factory. My Aurora has it's battery under the rear seat.
I would think that the factory location, no matter where it is, would be exempted.
But how on earth do you safely jumpstart a battery under a seat? That's almost sounding like poor engineering on the automaker's part.
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quote:Originally posted by atsxpls: What about batterys in the bed of a single cab truck with a cut through?
In which class? Cut throughs are prohibited in street, therefore the battery placement restrictions in that class would not affect a vehicle with a cut through.
Which poses a question that I don't see asked yet (or if I missed it I apologize):
Are cut-throughs allowed in street max? The compartment restrictions do not expressly prohibit them, which opens the box of crayons labled "shades of gray".
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The idea of not being able to place battery in a hatchback is a good one, it makes things somewhat more even however, my spare tire well in my CRX is not the passenger compartment and I can mount the battery there according to the rules. Nothing really accomplished with this rule.
Sorry.
Also, what about the question that was raised about having two batteries and disconnecting the one up front and running the one in the back? I thought that was a good question that needed clarification.
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quote:Originally posted by *Krisa*: Which poses a question that I don't see asked yet (or if I missed it I apologize):
Are cut-throughs allowed in street max? The compartment restrictions do not expressly prohibit them, which opens the box of crayons labled "shades of gray".
quote:Rule 4-4 Additional Guidelines....Cut-throughs in pickup trucks are permitted in the Street Max, Super Street, and Extreme Divisions provided the enclosure and / or other equipment that is located in the bed of the truck does not extend above the sidewalls of the bed. If the pickup has a commercially available camper shell, then the sidewall restriction does not apply. Homemade camper shells are strictly prohibited.
But the battery clarification is a good question
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quote:Originally posted by atsxpls: What about batterys in the bed of a single cab truck with a cut through?
In which class? Cut throughs are prohibited in street, therefore the battery placement restrictions in that class would not affect a vehicle with a cut through.
Which poses a question that I don't see asked yet (or if I missed it I apologize):
Are cut-throughs allowed in street max? The compartment restrictions do not expressly prohibit them, which opens the box of crayons labled "shades of gray".
See Section 4-4.
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