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Wayne Harris
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The second draft may be found at http://www.termpro.com/dbdrag/rules/2004/rules04.html

Please do not post alternative classes or ideas at this time. Please identify any typos or omissions. PLEASE REMEMBER TO REFRESH YOUR BROWSER.

Thanks in advance.

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THe only thing I think needs to be addressed is battery location. Does the battery in street A and B, also street max 1-2 have to be under the hood? Can the battery in the back be bigger than the one in the front?

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I have a quick question regarding this rule for Street Max:

"Batteries may be mounted wherever the competitor desires with the exception of the passenger compartment provided no other applicable rules are violated."

What is your definition of "passenger compartment"? In particular, is the portion of the car's interior that is sealed from the front of the interior by the speaker wall still considered part of the passenger compartment? Basically, can batteries be placed behind the wall? Thanks!

Also, I like the volume limit rather than a lxwxh dimension limit for batteries in Street and Street Max.

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3-8c Seats may be folded for competition, but may not be removed from the vehicle. Competitors who fold their seats must be able to demonstrate that the installation of the sound system does not interfere with the normal operation of the seats that were folded.

Additional Guidelines

If a vehicle has more than 2 rows of seating, then the additional rows (3+) may be removed at the competitor’s discretion.
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Please clear this up for me:
Even though I have 3 Rows of seating, I cannot place the enclosure on top of the 3rd Row when it is folded flat? Correct?

OR: Since I do have 2 rows available when the 3rd Row is folded I can do what I want behind the 2nd Row?

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The battery issue needs to be cleared up.
But I take it the battery can now be moved to the trunk or hatch in Street ?

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when 1 battery is used, it must be in the factory location.

if 2 batteries are used, one must be in the factory location and the other where the competitor desires as long as no other rules are violated.

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Thank you, Mr. Harris. Now, I have to start over. [Frown]

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are not "linked" like the rest of the TOC is. I do not klnow if this was done on purpose, or if it is just an oversight.

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The battery can be put under the hood or in the trunck. (In Street and Street Max). Batteries may NOT be placed inside of the passenger compartement (even if the battery is behind a wall.)

If you have a hatchback, an SUV, a Van, or anything else without a trunck, you must put the battery under the hood.

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quote:
Originally posted by Broken Silence CC - Johnny:
THe only thing I think needs to be addressed is battery location. Does the battery in street A and B, also street max 1-2 have to be under the hood? Can the battery in the back be bigger than the one in the front?

In street max you can place the battery where ever you want provided ti si not in the paasanger compartment please see rule 6-8e

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quote:
Originally Posted by Wanye Harris
The battery can be put under the hood or in the trunck. (In Street and Street Max). Batteries may NOT be placed inside of the passenger compartement (even if the battery is behind a wall.)

If you have a hatchback, an SUV, a Van, or anything else without a trunck, you must put the battery under the hood.

So I can relocate my only battery to the trunk in Street A?

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quote:
Originally posted by Wayne Harris:
The battery can be put under the hood or in the trunck. (In Street and Street Max). Batteries may NOT be placed inside of the passenger compartement (even if the battery is behind a wall.)

If you have a hatchback, an SUV, a Van, or anything else without a trunck, you must put the battery under the hood.

Does this only apply to the primary battery? or to the secondary battery (street C and street max 3-4) also? I am assuming it only applies only to the primary battery, but would like a better determination. If it applies to both batteries, then modifications can be made to mount the secondary battery under the hood (hatchback, SUV, van)?

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rules need to state that the primary battery must be located in the stock OEM location.

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6-7d If the vehicle is a 2-door hatchback, then all of the equipment in the sound system with the exception of the source unit and any dash-mounted signal processor(s) must be located behind the B-Pillars.

Why, if I may ask, does this rule only apply to 2-door hatchback vehicles? Shouldn't it apply to all vehicles?

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Need to address if Cargo vans are legal or not in Street Max

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Just one thing

The physical size of each battery is limited to 1000 cubic inches or less. (Height x Length x Width. Excluding the battery terminals.)

But many people don't use CUBIC INCH [Wink]
Please make translate

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quote:
Originally posted by dBSteve:
rules need to state that the primary battery must be located in the stock OEM location.

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quote:
Originally posted by Wayne Harris:
The battery can be put under the hood or in the trunck. (In Street and Street Max)

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I thought it didn't matter where you placed it (Hood or trunk) since we're going off of a Physical size? Just as long as its not in the passenger compartment? [Confused] [Cool]

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In ss1-2 and up the rules have a limit of 2 alternators but in the "matrix" it states unlimited, which is it??
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quote:
Originally posted by BOX:
Just one thing

The physical size of each battery is limited to 1000 cubic inches or less. (Height x Length x Width. Excluding the battery terminals.)

But many people don't use CUBIC INCH [Wink]
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Max battery size ===>
1000 cubic inches * 16.39 = 16390 cm^3

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A NW car with 3 subs and 3 farads has no class with walls required in super street.

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It states that for Super Street classes, a wall is required.

What happens to the competitor with no wall, 4 subs, and 8 amps? I think the required wall rule is not very necessary to be there.

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If the battery movement rule applies to all batteries, including the primary, way to go! Not having to use the stock tray will level things up some, as many cars can't fit a group 31 in the stock tray.
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quote:
6-7d If the vehicle is a 2-door hatchback, then all of the equipment in the sound system with the exception of the source unit and any dash-mounted signal processor(s) must be located behind the B-Pillars.


Why this [Confused]

how about amps under the seats, or under the dash ?

why 2 door hatchback, how about 4 door cars?

[Confused] [Confused] [Confused]

PS: not to mention that front speakers and cables, and... are also part of sound system [Wink]

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Elimination Round Tie Breakers – If 2 competitors tie during an elimination round, both competitors will be given a specified period of time (by the head judge) to re-charge their batteries (alternators only … no external battery chargers) and inspect their vehicles. Both vehicles must remain in the judging lanes during this time. After the specified time interval has elapsed, the competitors will compete once more to determine the winner. This process shall be repeated until there is a winner.

how about indoor events that don't alowe engine on.

every car have at least 60-100A alternator, so for quick charge is alternator obvious choice, but in indor events it is not possible to run engine....

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1) Street/Batts matrix should read 1,1,2

2)Batt size in matrix should read 1000 cubic in.

3)Wall test needs third point to define a plane. With "lowest point on the top of the 2 doors", how is this plane oriented? Example is a slanted car or one with bags that can change the level of each wheel.

4)Primary and secondary battery placement should be clarified. (as mentioned) Can I strap the battery on top of the hood?

5)A method should be outlined to define woofer size. What is a triangle/square/pentagon or odd sixed 13"/17" woofer classifed as? What if an hourglass shaped cone was made, would it be a 8" woofer, even though it was 18" sized?

6)"Amplifiers that are constructed in such a way as to circumvent the amp quantity limitation" I'm guessing this mas made because of the SPL Dynamics amp. What if this amp is manufactured all on one board, with one speaker output?

7)A special section should be created for throughout the year rules clarifiactions, so everyone can be