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I am trying to lock down the length of the rod that is used to measure the acceptable internal height of the passenger compartment. Orignally, I proposed 36 inches because this is about the length of a human torso when sitting. Currently, the proposed length is 32 inches. Some competitors would like to see this be even shorter. We want to minimize the impact on rebuilds as much as possible. On the other hand, there needs to be SOME space inside of the passenger compartment.
Please tell us what length you would like to see and why.
Thanks in advance.
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I am positive in my mind that anything less than 32 inches is too small. My car is at 31, and it is VERY short inside. If we all build to 30 inches, which you KNOW we will if allowed, it will make interiors rediculously small. I would rather have to tear a few layers out of the van and the cvcc than add a few and make it even smaller.
I know several people believe that 32 inches is too small, but my floor in my car is 7 inches thick(I just checked), and the roof is 3. I dont think ANY of the cars that people all ready have are less than 40 inches floor to ceiling factory, allowing for a total of 8 inches of reinforcement.
Im not saying there aren't cars out there, but when I see an extreme porsche or corvette, I may change my mind.
I DO believe that the 36 inches proposed was cutting it close, and I said we needed 33-34 inches. I can live with 32, but less than that is just too small.
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since nathan's is 31" make it 31" he has put in enough work as is
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I will be a first year extreme competitor. I agree that 32" should be the shortest. I have a Chevette (small car) with a 7" floor build up and 32" will be no problem.
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I am also a first true year competitor. I think 32 inches is also perfect. I drive a 89 ford festiva. Overall height with no modification is 38 inches between top and bottom door jambs. Members page name is Joe Davison.
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I have a Mitsubishi Cordia....I know I know... no one's ever heard of them. I have to have at the very least a 3" overhang below my door jamb (that is not including the build up that is above the door jamb...about 3" again) in order for a bolting system of any kind can work; I also have 0 build up in the floor as is....this will change very quickly...and it is hard to drive right now. I will have to have at least 6-7" of floor build up to get a bolt in there as well.
I know that this makes for a small cab...but you have to remember that when dealing with cars this small, it also makes for a small box with few subs yeilding less output. It all is proportional. I am not familiar with Nathan's bolting system (or whatever he use's for that matter), but if you were to take his cab that is 40" tall and you subtract a 6 and a 7 that gives you 27" of clearance.
It has become very apparent with the TermLab that the stronger the better, the tighter the louder and so on and so on...I/we must have a bolting system in order to produce competitive SPL. I strongly suggest the 30" rod rule in order for smaller cars to have proper strength. This will be my first year of Drag, second year of competing in USACi, and third year as a crew member of Michael Jones.
We have been building on an Ford Fiesta for one year now, and we would like to see 30" as a limit, the reason is that it would be much easier to bolt the doors..
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I've got 31" right now with a build down that goes about 3/4" below the door jamb and a build up of 5" from the door jamb. 32" shouldn't be too hard to get.
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so far many like 32 such as myself but two current competitors are at 31" also couple of competitors have suggested 30"
32" + 30" /2 = 31" avg. This is an avg of the two suggested distances and would include two competitors too boot.
I would suggest adding in tape measure to the following.
· A ??-inch rod will be used to determine compliance. The judge will hold the rod vertically and move it around inside of the passenger compartment. If the rod’s movement is impeded, then the vehicle fails compliance with this rule. ~~~~ tape measure set at ??-inch could substitute for the rod.
------------------------------------------ Since the console to door is 13" min. and dash has limits like 16" depth and 3" from glass to dash etc etc, a tape measure will be required, so why not have the option to use it for the roof to floor compliance. Just trying to save space and time. I doubt Steve or other judges would want to haul around a 30-32" long pole when a tape measure is small and any shop in the country would have one.
Thanks for listening
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I think it looks like the majority thinks that 32" is fine per the post, but I do think that the rod idea should be limited to 31" for the accomondation of the smaller cars. I would definitely not make it any less due to the intent of the rules as a whole (eliminate really small interiors).
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Wayne, I really liked the 36" purposal that was started with. Now we are down to 32" which is fine. (to accomadate more of a vechicle "type" selection for the class.) I would really hate to see it drop any more just for the mere fact the the lower it goes, the more it opens the issue up to get out of hand AGAIN! Just my 2 cents! Lundy aka Arts Sound Chamber II
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example from one of the top judges around why not use it 31"
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Wayne If you took a measurement from the top edge of the windshield at the lowest point, and a measurement in front of the baffle board at the heigest point and used an average of 30" Ex. 34" in front of box and 27" at windshield the average would be 30.5" I think this would allow competitors to compete in both USACi & DB DRAG the height in USACi is 30" and Ralph Told me that an average of 30" would work for them!!!!!
Thanks for reopening for this discussion there are several people coming to MardiGras Nats that would not be able to compete if the rule stands!!!
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goodafternoon, well iam tring to build a extreme car at this point time i have not made a permanent builds yet, i have plenty of space from ceiling to floor to play with, fininshed 3 inches of concrete today ,ceiling is flush with door jam at this time, 32 inches from ceiling to floor is ok and what about footwells are we gonna have any of those ,i have some pics of my car in progress at sounddomain.com under skips tercel , my dash is 7 inches at center lowered down to 3 inches off squared , i have heard some cars that have been built prior to these many seasons are around 30-31 inches ,i like the two passenger ruling
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I agree with everyone and the new rules look SUPER and fair but 2" to be equal to USAC would be samrt if they are doing alot of shows easier for judges to measure the same. I know we are trying to keep the outragous builds out and I support that 100% . But honestly, what is just 2"? that is not going to make that much of a difference,it is not like we are proposing 15" or something silly.USAC 30" rod which can help out these guys out with smaller vehicles. GATOR HAS called me and said HE TALKED TO RALPH ABOUT IT TODAY ,HE said he has HELPED YOU OUT alot WITH GETTING THE METER ISSUE WITH usac SETTLED , NOW HEAR HIM OUT. He would like to personally talk to you Wayne.There are #X shows coming up from USAC and time is closing in ,something has to be steeled so money and time can be thought of.I also talked to Steve Cook yesterday, call him up, wayne. He said 30" is what it needed to be that would save him about $2000 in paint instead of lowering his door bolts and repainting door AND INTERIOR he has a very open big cab, not built up very much at all. I think it should be 30" That way, it will conform with USAC also.Their new 04 rules posted 30"from floor to ceiling, those borderlining can still compete and support DBDRAG. Just like in Gator's issue from Louisiana.And his cab is not very built up at all!!!!He can post you a pic ,he has a $1800 pearl paint job in it.Not all competitors rebuild thier stuff that easy, just MDF every year like some.from the past years these rules could not be forseen , but some like to stretch the rules and now it has caused these changes and most of the dash ,etc can be changed ,but some have built sub floors to support door bolts , that seemed to be no problem ,it never was in past. Some build it to be solid and look good .My other van did not change since 1999! And it was a totally legit open big cab! but not all have to rebuild to get louder every year,that seems very costly , some just tweak system more and more. Some of the guys above it may not affect them much and I see where they are coming from.But just two inches can save some of the people alot of money of redoing paint and door bolt locations in floor. 2" can save alot of people money and headache. Ralph has been contacted by gator today about it all.It will also be uniform with USAC.I want to support Dbbdrag ,and the rest of the rules look great wayne ,I think it will be good set of rules 2" is asking that much.,this one is touchy to some.
We love to do this for fun and support the organization , and there is not alot of big payouts like other sports where changes are made all the time, or you are rich to do the sport. Those big paytouts can compensate for expensive mods! Just consider that , some of these people , 2" can make a difference on rebuilds to Steve Cook,Gator, DDgreen beast, My self and many others. Support them and listen to them. My own build up is not very big at all!!,but it is a bolting issue attachment to sub floor .Steve cook and DD green beast it is same issue.and I might have to get a complete new door each side that can get very costly to put plexi in and look nice like the rest of van. 2" is not asking to be that much .Steve Cook said he has spoken to you wayne about it.Steve Cook said yesterday if he had won $4000 he would not mind ripping his nice SPL car apart, Please hear us out . thanks
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i Would like to see a lenght of 31" because in my current setup (1985 Thunderbird) i have a build down that is flush with the top of the door jamb, and a build up that is flush with the bottome door jamb, and i am sitting at about 31.5 inches right now, and i was planning on adding a few more layers. 32" would definately affect me, not sure how i would remove the flooring since it is resin layered mdf on sandwiched concrete.
Thank You, Greg Piper Extreme 1
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Our 1980 Honda Civic is at 33 inches, I'm 6ft 3 and can drive it with ease.
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Wow....that car is really tall compared to most japanese cars...those doors are taller than they are long. Most jap car doors are longer than taller...people don't seem to be grasping this concept...if we don't lower the bar to 30" then people with normal jap/euro cars will not be able to compete in extreme.
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