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I talked with Wayne about this subject and he said he would consider looking at it.
I put forth the following
1. jumping = 30secs of stress on the system and IMO thats not fair due to being hard on the system.
2. There should be a difference between street and SS thus something simple should be set forth. example no podiums but a simple two wire remote kill switch for the sub amps. This would allow the person to play the amp/system for less than 30 secs.
3. Wireless remote users would still have an advatange over the above due to being able to change freqs,tracks,volume,and EQ levels.
4. This might generate more interest due to newbies being able to have a small modification done by a shop that would generate some install business for the shop and give the newbie less stress on his system to goto more shows.
5. People who already have money invested in a radio without a wireless remote would be able to compete via jumping or jumping + remote kill switch and would give that person a cheap option than having to buy an expensive radio with a wireless remote. People wanting more flexiblity could spend the extra $$$ on a wireless radio but wouldn't be forced to or penilized.
6. safty would also be greater due to the person not being in the car operating the system and being subjected to 140+ db volume levels.
7. would not peninalized people to 140 db and encourage more competition between competitors in street class.
I would like constructive comments on how this rule could be changed and done in a tastefull way install wise.
I would like to keep negative comments to a min. and give Wayne constructive ideas on how to make this change work and keep it simple and direct.
Thanks for your time in reading my idea and for your future input.
Randy Coles
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Steve,
Wayne said I could/should post this to give him ideas on the subject. This has been talked about in other posts and is buried within dozens of pages in general rules. Wayne said he is posting the first complete draft of the rules and we talked about what I should post and try and get valuable info specific to this question.
I don't plan on saying my rig job on my chase vehicle should be the example of what to do and thus I didn't mention it.
I would ask you before closing this post, call Wayne as I did and ask him if he doesn't want input on this subject, since he said he would entertaining a change to the wireless remote being required.
I've been competing since 1985 and I do points chase in lower classes and both qualify me to post this in its own thread.
I understand your position Steve but Wayne wants input and this would be a good way to do that.
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The way i look at is none of the classes are cheap to be in. If you cant afford to buy a headunit with wireless remote probably not gonna be all too serious of a competitor anyway.
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quote:Originally posted by Navidriver: The way i look at is none of the classes are cheap to be in. If you cant afford to buy a headunit with wireless remote probably not gonna be all too serious of a competitor anyway.
Good point and Wayne even said most if not all double and tripple point events the competitors have or use a wireless remote.
This is directed to people who don't have a wireless remote radio and don't want to spend 300-600.00 on a radio to compete at local shows. MSD is gone and changing this rule won't hurt the people with wireless remotes but could help keep costs down for the competitor who may never goto finals and I bet there is alot of those out there.
any basic system will run atleast 1,500 - 2,000 why stress this person's system for a 30 sec enduro and if they choose not to do that and sit inside be constrained to a max score of 140 db.
I am purposing giving the newbie an extra choice.
lets keep it constructive thanks for your input
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Does anyone have any data, that describe how many source units are produced that do not have a remote control option? Of those source units produced, how many are sold on an yearly basis?
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300+ dollars for a radio with remote......damn i need to up our prices
our most popular selling radio is the panasonic 133U and it comes with a wireless remote and only cost 144.99 plus tax install and kit and harness
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quote:Originally posted by Navidriver: The way i look at is none of the classes are cheap to be in. If you cant afford to buy a headunit with wireless remote probably not gonna be all too serious of a competitor anyway.
Also:
quote:Originally posted by Iboomalot:
I've been competing since 1985
19 years is along time not to puchase a Deck with a Wireless remote.
quote:Originally posted by Navidriver: The way i look at is none of the classes are cheap to be in. If you cant afford to buy a headunit with wireless remote probably not gonna be all too serious of a competitor anyway.
remotes don't always work that well... especially if the person has tinted windows. I know my remote that came with my $700 kenwood deck (00 model i believe) doesn't work very well outside the car.
I don't know if it has to do with the range, or if the tints play a factor, or if its the ANGLE at which the remote is in refrence to the face of the deck... my guess would be tints, & angle.
anyway, i wouldn't feel safe in using the remote outside my car, I do own a burp button, and i think this is a great idea considering the engine off rule in street.
EDIT: Don't need any cars dying in the lanes just cause the kid could start his deck, but for some reason, (bad luck, bad voltage, weak batteries in the remote) couldn't stop his deck.
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quote:Originally posted by DD Cherokee: My Panasonic remote doesn't work outside the car. So do I have to buy a new deck?
Not neccessarily. You could contact the retailer, where you purchased the source unit, and have them troubleshoot the reason why your remote does not function as it was designed.
I put a bit of bass into my new mercedes. I swapped in my Pioneer 9300 deck. It looked like a cheap toy - clashing with my interior.
I put the factory deck back in.....and it meters higher with the MB deck. (the pioneer needs servicing I guess)
I would love to wire up a wired remote to my stock deck.
If not, I'll just swap radios before and after shows.
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quote:Originally posted by DD Cherokee: My Panasonic remote doesn't work outside the car. So do I have to buy a new deck?
Not neccessarily. You could contact the retailer, where you purchased the source unit, and have them troubleshoot the reason why your remote does not function as it was designed.
was the point of the remote so people could play thier stereo's outside the car??? or was it so the driver can easily controll the deck while keeping thier eyes on the road or was it so people in the back seat can control whats being played? or was it just a gimick to help sell product?
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quote:Originally posted by TalNLnky: was the point of the remote so people could play thier stereo's outside the car??? or was it so the driver can easily controll the deck while keeping thier eyes on the road or was it so people in the back seat can control whats being played? or was it just a gimick to help sell product?
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I posted the topic that got this topic going, so let me add something
I've had my equipment stolen, and it didn't matter that the deck had security measures, a removable face and was fiberglassed into the dash.
I wanted to run a stock deck, with an FM modulated changer, and I asked if I could, if all other rules were complied with, compete using the wired remote supplied with the changer, since dBdrags does define a changer as being a source. and you're allowed to run your sytem with the remote supplied with the source, the only problem that was raised is that the source has to be in the dash, which I have no problem doing. also, the rules say that there is to be no modifications to the interrior of the vehicle and people said that installing the changer in the dash would be a modification. If this is the case, then installing a deck is also an interrior modification.
I realize that installing a changer in the dash requires some modification, but not to the volume of the interrior of the car.]
anyways, the issue I was wondering about was using the wired remote, and some people were saying that wired remotes are illegal, but others had no problem with it.
I'm not going to go to world finals, I just want to compete sometimes. I'm not trying to get an advantage, or to break rules, I just want to compete for fun.
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I do not mean this in any negative way, so please do not take it this way. Also, just to let you know, I am not really sure about battery power and farad power with the car turned off. But, in street and street max (still knowing that the car off rule is in affect) How long would you really have to give a good burp. I know, that if you mess up on your first burp, then your score could go down just because of battery drainage. So having a remote or even a podium be that good of an idea? You can change stuff i agree. But once you do your initial burp, do you think you have enough energy to do an other burp once your settings are changed? Therefore stating, a kill switch will be fine. Once again i do not mean to be negative, i am just stating what i really dont know much about. But if you do have a podium, how much energy do you have until your batter basically gives out on a burp
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Curious but i thought u could be in a car above 140db's as long as u have hearing protection its just like above 160 or so maybe that u cant be in car even with hearing protection i could be wrong on the last number
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Diference between S and SS SS have higher scores, walls, more equipment... is that not enough?
Don't forget that everything is more expensive in Europe, and that many cars here have HU's at strange angle, not usual in US cars. So it is not just cheapest HU with remote, but we need also with CD changer control, and CD changer...
If dBDRA would alowe HU's outside car it would be cheapest solution. All it needs to switch from normal car to dBDrag Race car was couiple of $ worth extension camles.
- even cheapest HU's will work than - people that already have remotes could use them - any window tint will not stop remote - people with 100% factory stock would have chance to buy any used HU just for competitions - people with FM modulators could compete - newbies could test different frequencies in one 30 run - people will have more money to invest in actual improvement of score, not on new HU!!! - etc
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quote:Originally posted by DeathScythe: Curious but i thought u could be in a car above 140db's as long as u have hearing protection its just like above 160 or so maybe that u cant be in car even with hearing protection i could be wrong on the last number
1-4 The contestant must be outside of the vehicle while the vehicle is being metered and all doors, windows, and other openings to the vehicle must remain closed during this time
Exception - Competitors may remain inside of the vehicle during metering provided:
· They wear adequate hearing protection at all times. Removal of the hearing protection while inside of the vehicle will result in immediate disqualification.
· The competitor’s maximum SPL never exceeds 140 dB. A measured SPL in excess of 140 dB will be recorded as 140 dB.
using 140db limit and using street A as the search limit I found that if a person jumps and is limited to 140db you would end up in the rankings at this level in street A.
121st place in world standings 2003 -------Name-------class-----Maximum SPL---CertifiedSPL --Trevor Jackson--Street A ......139.7db ........139.7db
looks to be a restriction to someone who doesn't want to do a 30sec enduro or buy a new radio/changer.
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· The competitor’s maximum SPL never exceeds 140 dB. A measured SPL in excess of 140 dB will be recorded as 140 dB.
ya, you can be in the car with proper hearing protection, but dont turn it up
when did 140db become dangerous WITH hearing protection? I bump my system in excess of 150db and always have....ya ya ya i know - but if i, and alot of people in here can do this without anything - then WITH hearing protection, why not? I think with hearing protection you could sit in a car without pain till the low '60s maybe '55 or so on the new sensor - and it still wouldnt be in the ears but probably the chest.
anyway, 140db limit WITH hearing protection is bogus. IMO
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