quote:Originally posted by Dr.Loudness: This is not attempt to ''fight'' with you, but I neeed to ask
Broken Silence - Johnny: you have one of the loudest cars in SS... what do you have for front system? do you think that your front system is match for your subs? Not in the way of SQ competition at 90-115 dB if you turn bass down, but playing loud music at 150-160 with openn doors.
Do you think that 8'' midbass will help your score? You are probably over 170 on old meter and when 8'' were baned cars in SS were doing 150 on old meter.
I think that competitions can be only more interesting if people like you can play ground shaking MUSIC and not just test tones.
And this are just my sugestions and opinions how to make dB Drag more popular...I respect yours, even if we don't agree.
Peter has a very good points here allthought rules are different. Loud democars is really what shows need. Like extremecars don't catch much attention, specially when doors are closed. But even smallest streetcar that plays music loud catches allways peoples attention.
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Peter I know that what you say is maybee a great help for getting people to look at db drag...
BUT there is allways a but.. If you have a setup for db drag i dont think that it will go very well to play music...to low impedans and high tuning sound so bad.. so i think you make people afraid..
Maybee a low tuned street car as in Usa can make good sound though..but impedans...
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In Sinsheim 2003 was a lot of cars. One of them was Miko's World loudest car at that time with 171,x - charging battery, and few meters away was German 8 subs SS van playing music. All the crowd was staring at demo van playing music.
I completely agree with you Richard that dB Drag boxes can't play good SQ! But don't you feel the need that from time to time you play loud music with your SPL set up? I do, and my friends also.
Not to mention that 90% of db Drag people are not world champion and that they want to combine everyday listening with dB Drag competition. So obvious choice is to have basreflex box with big SPL port and to close part of the port for everyday listening.
I know that it is beating of dead horse, but I strongly believe that 8'' in doors can make shows more interesting. And every year I will talk about that untill one day every stock car will have 8'' midbass in dors and rules will change.
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I cant understand why it has to be 8" dubble 6" is more and louder and that is allowed or am i wrong..
Peter my Panda is going to play music for a while a reconnect my subs to higher impedans and a shall put in a front system but that setup is not competetiv loud..
But in the start of this year it is enough..
The problem here in Us is that it is so many good cars that are so close to each other and no one want to lose.. That is what happen if the car is going to play music..
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One more thing Peter... Why must you have middbas in doors for opendoors demo just play your subs up to 120hz and then you will have more than enough midds.. And the rest can even a 6" handle..
I know this because i had a very good demo car years back..
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quote:Originally posted by Dr.Loudness: This is not attempt to ''fight'' with you, but I neeed to ask
Broken Silence - Johnny: you have one of the loudest cars in SS... what do you have for front system? do you think that your front system is match for your subs? Not in the way of SQ competition at 90-115 dB if you turn bass down, but playing loud music at 150-160 with openn doors.
Do you think that 8'' midbass will help your score? You are probably over 170 on old meter and when 8'' were baned cars in SS were doing 150 on old meter.
I think that competitions can be only more interesting if people like you can play ground shaking MUSIC and not just test tones.
And this are just my sugestions and opinions how to make dB Drag more popular...I respect yours, even if we don't agree.
Peter
In the caravan, we have the factory radio and factory dash speakers in the front. We just left them in there so we can listen to the radio while working on the van basically. When you have approximately 72,000 watts, there is nothing that you can do with mids and highs to keep up with that. Not to mention the fact that the van is tuned around 50hz.
I am not sure if 8's in the doors would help the score or not, but I do know that if we were to build a custom door panel to house an 8" driver, the door panel would have to be stiffened a great deal, and that would increase the score.
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quote:Originally posted by Richard.O: I cant understand why it has to be 8" dubble 6" is more and louder and that is allowed or am i wrong..
Peter my Panda is going to play music for a while a reconnect my subs to higher impedans and a shall put in a front system but that setup is not competetiv loud..
But in the start of this year it is enough..
The problem here in Us is that it is so many good cars that are so close to each other and no one want to lose.. That is what happen if the car is going to play music..
Where did I mention single 8'' in each door I was thinking about 2 on each side
OK... I have now in debate couple of loudest peoples in S and SS. And I think that we all agree that 8'' can't have any influence on world records.
We also agree that reinforcing doors can have small influence on SPL.
So here comes 2 major problems:
- on small events judges sometimes let people compete with reinforced dors. Is that good for the sport? Definitely yes, because it can atract more people in this sport. Is it fair? No!
- Judges don't know all the cars and all doors. How can someone tell me that my car is not stock if he newer saw it? For instance: 15 years ago I used to have Lada Samara. And this car had steel door panels covered with foam and vinyl. One of best panels I have seen. Who can stop me from buying car that judges don't know and modify it in this way?
Lets make life easier for competitors and judges and lets alowe door modifications.
How expensive is couple of kg polyester or even steel plate on doors? 10-20$ ? And there will be no cheating, and all people would have chance to use cars as real street beaters and listen to it while driving.
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i think modifying doors for street or superstreet should not be allowed at all. its not right to modify your doors for adding speakers into it, it needs to stop, be stricken from the very beginning. what really is stopping anyone from putting 6 6's in each door?
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