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everybody is talking that S class cars should be street beaters etc...
Is it possible to have real street beater and small and tiny front speakers?
Many people in Europe have 8'' midbass in doors, many have reinforced doors...So they are ilegal at competitions or put in E class!
Can we have little less restrictions in 2004 rules about that.
Lets alowe 8'' midbas in doors...they don't help anyway at 150+...
Can we have beter definition about how much is alowed to reinforce doors for panels, and let people build real cars that can be capable of reproducing music at high levels....
Thanks
Peter
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I have been putting off installing the 8" midbass drivers in my doors because of this rule… I don’t know for the life of me how a pair of 8’s would help especially below 80Hz…
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quote:Originally posted by Dr.Loudness: Can we have little less restrictions in 2004 rules about that.
That has GREY AREA written all over it.
I think the rules are fine as they stand. I also believe it has been stated in the past that any speaker 8" or larger in your door can stay there provided it is not in use during metering.
If you allow any extra reinforcement, what is stopping someone from putting steel bars in their doors to "brace their 5¼" mids"?!?
I think the rules are fine as they stand. I find a hard time believing you'll be disqualified for your stock 8" door speakers.
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Here in Europe and I also think that it is in rulebook it is not alowed to have 8'' speakers in front of B pillar!
But I know many people hat use 8'' midbass for everyday listening. Some of top competitors in Slovenia must bought because of that new stock door panels. So they change them before competition. Extra work, extra cost...do we want to keep costs down or up?
and some of cars have only 4'' stock location. So how can they play music with 15'' subs and over 2 kW. No way. Isn't show more interesting when competitors play music between and after the show? Or will it be: hahaha, look at stupid dbdragers they have monster subs and amps and only 4'' front speakers.
And please don't tell me that they can upgrade to 6,5''. They don't want that. They want to upgrade to 8''
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You are beatind a dead horse. This rule won't be changed, deal with it.
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quote:Originally posted by Broken Silence CC - Johnny: You are beatind a dead horse. This rule won't be changed, deal with it.
I am very afraid that you are right.
and also that we will have rules from mid nineties in 21st century and cars will be doing 150-160 on new mic...
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Agreed and I think it absolutely STINKS that I'm going to have to go out and buy a separate set of door panels to modify for my truck and keep the stock ones just so I can swap them out at every multi! I like to show off what I can do with glass, bondo, lots of sanding, and paint. But whatever....
Hell, I'm expecting issues with my kick panels at the next certified I'm at even though they are your normal fiberglassed, bondoed, painted, kicks. Hence I still have my stock versions....
Dr. - The one problem with this, is that you are going to get people trying to abuse the rule to get more spl... Wording of such a rule change is vital and key.
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The way I look at it, the line has to be drawn somewhere, and this is where wayne chose to draw it. If not here, then where would it be?
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quote:Originally posted by Broken Silence CC - Johnny: The way I look at it, the line has to be drawn somewhere, and this is where wayne chose to draw it. If not here, then where would it be?
Agree!
There must be some limits. Now it is on 6.5'' and I sugest it to push limit to 8''.
How about SS cars with walls? Can 2 tiny 6.5'' speakers in normal dors be match for wall of speakers? Can SS cars play music? Is show more interesting if cars ocasionaly play loud music or is it if they are closed all the time and yust burp with closed dors in lanes?
will anybody on top level be louder because of 8'' midbass speakers? I don't think so. Will cars be more interesting. I believe yes.
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quote:Originally posted by Broken Silence CC - Johnny: The way I look at it, the line has to be drawn somewhere, and this is where wayne chose to draw it. If not here, then where would it be?
If we are talking about speaker sizes you can say nothing larger than 8". Being that they are in front of the Bpillar - perhaps they should be rendered non playing for the runs and demonstrated as such.
If we are talking about glassed doorpanels, the line is much blurred. What exactly is equivalent replacement...
Steve
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quote:Originally posted by jarfunkz: i want 15s in my doors
With comments like this... I'm guessing there hasn't been many responses to your add...
quote: ANYONE WANT TO SPONSOR SOMEONE WHO SPENDS $2500 OUT OF HIS POCKET JUST TO COMPETE AT WORLD FINALS? WHO WAS 1.6 DB AWAY FROM WINNING? contact me @ jarfunkz@adelphia.net if you do.
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I plan on competeing in sq next season, and 6.5" drivers will do for my application.The biggest problem is installation,as i still want to compete in spl too. is there limitations on what is allowed for door encosures?as i plan on building a "box" and mounting it to my doors. thanks.
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I know there are people that say that reinforced doors help.... but how much? Someone needs to do a test.
In a basic SS 1-2 vehicle do a number with stock (or equivelent) door panels. Next without changing anything put on new door panels that have been reinforced for a 8" mid bass driver.
Now when I say reinforced, I dont mean fill it with concrete, or add lots of steel, I mean reinforce the panel that the 8" is secure in the panel.
Door panels that have been done up nice make a vehicle look awesome, and I (and im sure others) dont want to loose those types of vehicles to get the "oooh's and ahhh's".
So who is up for the challenge?? I will help out with some funding if needed. AstroOwnerLuin@aol.com
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If you don't think 8's could make a difference then I suggest you look at the single 8 scores put up and the dual 8 #'s put up by Alex of Sound Decision.
I have little doubt that people would be able to add 1-2 db by putting 8's in the doors. ESPECIALLY in Europe when many are playing high notes.
If we are allowed to modify panels where does the line get drawn?
Each judge will have a different interpretation and it will be a huge controversy.
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jeremy stop following me around... you guys do not understand what i am saying. these are dbdrag cars, not some super sound quality cars, it won't end with 8s, it will keep on going with 10s, 12's, 15's maybe 18s one day. there are plenty of demo vans that can not compete in dbdrag because they have 10, 12, 15's in the doors. rule is fine how it is, if you want sq, do sq. maybe we could give you a db if you get a perfect on the rta, you need it jeremy.
THIS ARE STOCK CARS THIS ARE STOCK CARS THIS ARE STOCK CARS
Why do we need to stick to old rules that have nothing to do anymore to 21 century?
dB Drag can be very boring for spectators! Competitors are charging batteries whole day, than they push car to lanes, burp with closed doors for 2 seconds than push car back and wait for trophies… Where is fun and excitement? Why are this car different from normal cars… booooooriiiinnng.
We need shows which are interesting for people, and that is if cars can play loud music. For SQ is enough to have just set of 5.25-6.5 because it is judged at low levels, but for real loud demo cars you need a lot of midbass speakers…
There was excuse about how much can one 8’’ play… lets say 140 on new meter, BUT top systems are playing over 150 dB! So how can 1/10 th of energy of sub have any influence on score? How about phase alignement? 8’’ can only hurt score above 150 dB, or if someone is smart enough to use that, he already have big knowledge and he is already among top players. Not to mention that it is easy to enforce people to unplug front systems. It is easier to unplug front amp than to remove complete panel.
And some of you are crying why dB Drag don’t get media attention…gues why?
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the reason it is like that is because of the door modifications putting an 8 brings to it. you get to reinforce it, nice fiberglass and bondo work, take some space out of your cabin. if you do not think it will be exploited, you haven't competed in dbdrag very long. i do not understand why you can't see it, back in the day everyone and their mother had 2-3 8s in each of the doors, highly modified doors. it was eliminated and the problem has never arosed again.
quote:Originally posted by Dr.Loudness: And some of you are crying why dB Drag don’t get media attention…gues why?
It isn't because 8's aren't allowed in the doors. You can have plenty of SQ without using an 8. Bottom line is, you have to do too much to your doors in the way of reinforcement to put an 8 in the door. drop it, the rule isn't going to change.
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Next thing you know you will say make a 5 second drag car run a road course cause it's exciting. This is DB Drag, all that is wanted is loud bass, if highs and mids were wanted you would see it where you could play over 80hz. You say you want crowds, well atleast here, if we start playing loud for spectators, the cops come and take the system out of the car and give the owner a huge ticket. The rule states anything over 8 inches is a sub, and must be located behind the b-pillar. Now you say you have a 8inch midbass, well there was a company a couple years ago that had 12 inch midbass drivers, so should those be allowed to? And what next, DD classifies the 9512 as a midbass driver, so you can have those in your doors? Or maybe DD makes a 8 inch with the 9000 motor, classes it as a midbass, is this allowed? See where this gets out of hand? The rule is good as it is written.
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quote:Originally posted by Smitty: ...Or maybe DD makes a 8 inch with the 9000 motor, classes it as a midbass...
If they did, I would be the FIRST in line to buy 2 sets. lol But seriously, not for competing - I'd pull em out before a run. I guess this is what we will have to do in the future if we want 8s in the doors. (And a set of stock door panels.)
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