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Who thinks that it would be fair to seperate the sponsered from those who are not.
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The whole no sponsorship thing needs thrown out. I can't think of anyway possible to define it or regulate it. I have taken many Street competitors to diner or out and bought them a drink. Is that sponsorship? We have loaned out mics to a competitor so they can do testing. Is that sponsorship? If we go to a show and help competitors find their note is that sponsorship? If a dealer gives someone some extra help designing a box, is that sponsorship?I know manufacturers have loaned out equipment for testing. Is that sponsorship? If a manufacture pays for gas or hotels is that sponsorship? I know manufacturers have warrentied equipment that was blown up from abuse. Is that sponsorship? People have brought up receipts in the past but that has very little to do with what a manufacturer or dealer can do for a competitor that could still be called sponsorship. Its just not as simple as you think.
quote:Originally posted by jarfunkz: be fair, yes. be reality, no. dbdrag is trying to cut back or keep the same classes, not adding a bunch of new ones.
lets hope not...they really cant cut back street classes can they....LOL....since there is just two...think they will cut back to one...sure if they want to run their business into the ground
seeing as how there are more street competitors than any other class and street has the smallest number of classes....i would imagine they would want to increase the number of street classes
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quote:Originally posted by jarfunkz: be fair, yes. be reality, no. dbdrag is trying to cut back or keep the same classes, not adding a bunch of new ones.
lets hope not...they really cant cut back street classes can they....LOL....since there is just two...think they will cut back to one...sure if they want to run their business into the ground
seeing as how there are more street competitors than any other class and street has the smallest number of classes....i would imagine they would want to increase the number of street classes
quote:Originally posted by H-O-Alts-Rick: [QB] The whole no sponsorship thing needs thrown out. I can't think of anyway possible to define it or regulate it.
I Agree but just because I'm really tired of holding up show because of the "Sponsered" arguement.
Sponsership to me is a shop owner RUNNING/CONTROLING a vehicle in any Street Class (Not his workers)
To me if you own a Shop, bring a vehicle,run it in Street class but put it under someone elses name, you need a quick beat-down.
quote:Originally posted by jarfunkz: be fair, yes. be reality, no. dbdrag is trying to cut back or keep the same classes, not adding a bunch of new ones.
I agree it would be fair. It's a lot harder to build a huge competition system when you're buying all the equipment with your own money. On the other hand, it would be almost impossible to regulate which vehicles are sponsored.
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i can tell you this no sponsorship thing in street or mini street is unfair. let me tell you why, 1st my company is more than willing to sponsor people in mini street,ss and other classes, but what is sponsorship. if i give you a discount on any product you must go pro? how about 10% off a sub? you are now a pro? if i pay for your gas or hotel room you are now a pro? and why can't someone that works in a shop be in street or mini street anyone can buy products for less than dealer cost anyway? and a shop put in the street or mini street install anyway. yes you should limit unreal mini street and street installs aka more that 3000watts but let me help people were i can without turning them into pros!
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quote:Originally posted by quad box: i can tell you this no sponsorship thing in street or mini street is unfair. let me tell you why, 1st my company is more than willing to sponsor people in mini street,ss and other classes, but what is sponsorship. if i give you a discount on any product you must go pro? how about 10% off a sub? you are now a pro? if i pay for your gas or hotel room you are now a pro? and why can't someone that works in a shop be in street or mini street anyone can buy products for less than dealer cost anyway? and a shop put in the street or mini street install anyway. yes you should limit unreal mini street and street installs aka more that 3000watts but let me help people were i can without turning them into pros!
First of all, you dont' know what your talkin' about. You evedently don't know what Mini Street is ... you can find out more about it here - New " Entry Level " Mini Street Division
Also, dB Drag hasn't refered to the PRO Division in about 3-4 years. What your refering to is sponsored. What you determin being sponsored and what the dBDRA considered sponsored must be 2 different things ..
quote: from the dB Drag rules: Sponsored – If a competitor receives any form of compensation for promoting an auto sound related product, company, or service, then the competitor is said to be sponsored.
If every competitor recieves the same discount then their not sponsored. As long as everyone recieves the same benifit then their not sponsored.
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I believe sponsorship is something like receiving compensation for using a any specific item.Ok its not a thing to you guys that have large amounts of manufacture's support. Going against us guys that just dont have the equiptment.And you all have earned that Im just simply saying is there a way for us to compete and not have to worry about getting smashed at every comp be Im putting my 5000 watts up aginst 50,000 watts.Is that really competion for these guys..Ill keep saving my pennies in the mean time.
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quote:Originally posted by H-O-Alts-Rick: The whole no sponsorship thing needs thrown out. I can't think of anyway possible to define it or regulate it. I have taken many Street competitors to diner or out and bought them a drink. Is that sponsorship? We have loaned out mics to a competitor so they can do testing. Is that sponsorship? If we go to a show and help competitors find their note is that sponsorship? If a dealer gives someone some extra help designing a box, is that sponsorship?I know manufacturers have loaned out equipment for testing. Is that sponsorship? If a manufacture pays for gas or hotels is that sponsorship? I know manufacturers have warrentied equipment that was blown up from abuse. Is that sponsorship? People have brought up receipts in the past but that has very little to do with what a manufacturer or dealer can do for a competitor that could still be called sponsorship. Its just not as simple as you think.
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I've gone to dinner with the owners or higher-ups... I don't feel sponsored... Why?... cause I still have to pay for everything...
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I know a guy competing in STREET who GOT a complete equipment (several subs & amps) and a termlab.net from a company? Is that sponsorship?
In my opinion - YES, it is - but how to prove this, if the guy even promises official he wasn't sponsored?
As far as you can see - it isn't really possible to control that sponsorship - and if it's uncontrolable in Street, how could it be controlable in SuperStreet oder Extreme?
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quote:Originally posted by Matze: I know a guy competing in STREET who GOT a complete equipment (several subs & amps) and a termlab.net from a company? Is that sponsorship?
In my opinion - YES, it is - but how to prove this, if the guy even promises official he wasn't sponsored?
As far as you can see - it isn't really possible to control that sponsorship - and if it's uncontrolable in Street, how could it be controlable in SuperStreet oder Extreme?
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You guys should really pay more attention to what is going on. There is no way to police Sponsored or "not sponsored." When you have an idea that can be policed, bring it to the table.
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quote:Originally posted by quad box: i can tell you this no sponsorship thing in street or mini street is unfair. let me tell you why, 1st my company is more than willing to sponsor people in mini street,ss and other classes, but what is sponsorship. if i give you a discount on any product you must go pro? how about 10% off a sub? you are now a pro? if i pay for your gas or hotel room you are now a pro? and why can't someone that works in a shop be in street or mini street anyone can buy products for less than dealer cost anyway? and a shop put in the street or mini street install anyway. yes you should limit unreal mini street and street installs aka more that 3000watts but let me help people were i can without turning them into pros!
Actually I don't know of a rule against sponsorship in mini-street. I think it's more of self policed thing and I believe most manufacturers don't sponsor mini-street for the same reason we don't. Why would a company want to sponsor someone in mini-street? As a manufacturer I look at mini street as true beginner class. It just doesn't make for good publicity to win against a newbie that probably has never competed before but if a manufacturer wanted to slaughter a newbie, I guess they could. Extreme fighters could also go to a preschool and kick sand at 4 year olds. There just isn't any sport in doing it. Street is a national class that is taken alot more seriously. The rules even overlap so that a newbie isnt forced to compete over their head for the most part.
quote:Originally posted by Broken Silence CC - Johnny: You guys should really pay more attention to what is going on. There is no way to police Sponsored or "not sponsored." When you have an idea that can be policed, bring it to the table.
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This Rule is already in place; NO Sponsored vehicles in STREET Class.
As far as SS and EX go, I believe any Competitor that EARNS any sponsorship should surely use it to his or her advantage. Companies don't just "Give Out" product, cash, termlabs etc for fun, they do it because they feel that Competitor has EARNED it with hard work and dedication to the sport, along with having the ability to project a positive image for not only their product, but for dB Drag Racing as a sport too.
YES...I know there are some Sponsored Competitors that DO NOT meet this criteria, but that is up to the Sponsor to make that determination.
I speak from our experiance. We work VERY HARD to make sure that our Sponsors get more than they expect. It's not just what we can GET from them, it's what we can DO for them. This benefits BOTH the Competitor AND the Sponsor.
I feel there is no place for Sponsorship in the STREET Classes.
Just my 2 Pennies, for whatever that is worth!
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Posts: 884 | From: Utica, Mi USA | Registered: Jun 2001
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quote:Originally posted by iansdad: This Rule is already in place; NO Sponsored vehicles in STREET Class.
You missed the entire point. There is a rule for street and it does get abused. It's just can't be enforced, so why have it? So take the rule out.
Gee, let's see now. Maybe if a whole bunch of us don't like a rule, we can ALL disregard it, then they will HAVE to allow it, since it "can't be enforced".
So "why have it?"
Bob Ashton aka IansDad dB Drag Retail Member AUTOKNOW
Posts: 884 | From: Utica, Mi USA | Registered: Jun 2001
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quote:Originally posted by splprelude: Who thinks that it would be fair to seperate the sponsered from those who are not.
hehe thats like seperating most of the db drag world finalist NOT!.... Going to happen!!almost impossible to police sponcerships....
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