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I was thinking about auto racing, my friend’s dad runs in late model and they have rules sure, but what got me thinking was the restrictor plate... YOU HAVE TO HAVE IT INSTALLED to play... period... They have a few rules about what can be done to the motor, but it all boils down to the restrictor plate...
What if we were to implement a way to restrict SPL vehicles? Ideas anyone?... maybe a circuit breaker from Wayne (make it part of the membership packet) that has to be used, not tampered with, and installed in plain view and from the CB to the amp must be trace-able... Have different rating for the different classes…
Just an idea... cause in racing the difference between a 4,000.00 motor and a 40,000.00 motor is reliability... due to the use of a restrictor plate. Maybe this will help even the field for those just starting…
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someone all ready though of the fuse / CB idea....
it got shot to hell because fuses are usally made with in a certian tolerance well say + or - 5 % of rating. IMO this is minute amount, but to some that extra % is to much. CB's are the same way, and they are even worse, because, everytime they blow and are reset, there tolerance goes down, so a CB made to blow at 200A (-5%) 190A, that gets thrown a few times, might now be tripping at 150A.
quote:Originally posted by Iboomalot: class AB amps will also trip the breakers on less power due to thier design.
I use class A/B amps for competition, even knowing this, I would still suggest a way to restrict systems.
quote:Originally posted by Iboomalot: just limit voltage and amprage out to the speaker from the amp.
This is an interesting idea...
I just don't want this to digress to the point where you pull up in the lane, the judge places the mic on the window, goes around and hooks up the "official" amp that everyone has to use.. with juice being supplied by the "official" battery(s)...
If we continue to bicker back and forth trying to slant the rules for self-benefit, then this is in our future... All we are going to have to do is build a box and buy a set of subs (DVC or SVC only ) and pull into the lanes and use the official's equipment for power...
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as well, as the above, both have been though of, and both would work, but there is loop holes for both....
1 that amp loaning Idea....every one will have advntages and disadvntages via, sub impediance...and amps, like fuses, re designed with in tolerances, so one compitior would be crying that the other has a hot amp....not to mention, what happens if you blow the loaner amp?
2 the amperage and voltage idea....a good one, but how many newbies are going to know when to stop turning it up? hence, pssing the mark nd LOTS of newbies will get DQ'ed. AND, for little local shows I doubt this rule will ever take hold...kinda like hearing protection???, so, the only time anyone would be affcted by this is if he show is ran by a turn key, and OR finals.
neither remedies the problem....completly, and if it's not perfect,...people like me will Bi!ch, because if we are going to take one set of rules that don't completly work, out... why replace it with a set that won't cover all bases either? waste of time because we will be crying bout the new rules next year again.....
In any event, I never suggested that my idea was the end-all, be-all... I was just suggesting a direction... I'm not an electronic engineer so to my limited knowledge a circuit breaker was about the only thing to come to mind... Is there something better, I would hope so... I'm just throwing my ideas out trying to give a new direction...
Limit the power... that’s it... how?... that would be up to electronic wiz' like Wayne...
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lol, I wasn't trying to piss ya off..."if" I did, just look bck about 2 pages and you will see the same type of topic. the reason it's 2 pages back, is becuse no one felt this was the way to go...
well, I do agree, to get newbies, we need a class tht will let them play WITH OUT killing them with 4000+ watt street A systems.
the problem is how to go about this.... I knw your idea, was just that, an idea, but you need to understand why it won't work, before being ble to change it, or come up with something totaly different..... our stret rules are not inviting, and throwing in another set of rules for next year, that don't fix the problem, will be worse thn just leaving it alone.
I have supported a few ideas, and shot a few down....today, that's not what I am doing...I am just letting you know that this has all ready been though of, and "as is" these ideas won't work.
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the amperage and voltage idea....a good one, but how many newbies are going to know when to stop turning it up? hence, pssing the mark nd LOTS of newbies will get DQ'ed. AND, for little local shows I doubt this rule will ever take hold...kinda like hearing protection???, so, the only time anyone would be affcted by this is if he show is ran by a turn key, and OR finals.
as it stands now most rules are bent or even broken at small local events. Also newbies would need to learn how far to push the volume up to stay within the rules. Called a learning experience and you should know what you are doing or atleast the rules, before going to a double , tripple or world finals.
its very simple to put a amp meter around the speaker lead and voltage meter on the speaker leads to check.
alot of amps wouldn't even need to be checked that are too small to even reach the wattage limit thats put into place.
Its the only fair way to include ALL amps and yet still keep the power limited.
think about it, price, size , input voltage , ohm load , resistance load , or class of amp doesn't matter just what the speaker sees for power.
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think about it, price, size , input voltage , ohm load , resistance load , or class of amp doesn't matter just what the speaker sees for power.
very true, and it mkes good sense, I guess I see something here, how about? implementing something like this "as an IDEA" to only be used multipoint shows, only WHEN in question?
see i remember this comming up before and one of the big gripes was show promoters would have to go buy more equipment.... well if this rule in only in place for multi's then they wouldn't hve to... only turn key promoters would need to, go buy a nother DMM and an amp clamp. AND leving ll other rules in place, WITH the addition of this one might help. It would keep power down at big shows, and it would deter big dogs / pro's from using equipment that they know won't work at the big show....at little shows.
So, like everything else, it comes down to this, someone needs to give a little... no data bases, no new equipment, no this or that.... if judges spend a 100$ and go buy these items, this rule could help, but the question is, they have said it once, will it be said again... no more equipment, make things easier...
quote: To quote HGCA; see i remember this comming up before and one of the big gripes was show promoters would have to go buy more equipment.... well if this rule in only in place for multi's then they wouldn't hve to... only turn key promoters would need to, go buy a nother DMM and an amp clamp.
I see that this would be an added expense to officials... but what if there was a way to build it into Term-LAB... or Wayne could include two DMM in the membership packet for judges/promoters.
At the point you limit the power the subs see... you can lift battery regulations... see... now that is simple...
p.s. HGCA I didn't take it to the cheeks, I guess I just worded it aggressively...
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""Two meters in one, Clamp Ammeter measures AC current to 400A with Max hold. Clamp size 1.1 inch accommodates up to 4/0 AWG wire. Multimeter measures AC/DC voltage to 600 volts and resistance to 40M ohms. Meter makes two measurements at once""
amps * volts = power
oh ya divide by 2 to get RMS
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here is the kicker... HOW MUCH $$$.$$ does it cost?
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