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........just make mini street manditory at shows??
The classes we have have worked very well so far right?? '03 seemed to be the most competitive season overall yet..i know for Street classs it sure was......well EX 1 was a runaway but they earned it with that creative instal.......why not instead of changing up and combining allot of the classes cant we make for a more structured mini street rules and make it so events must have a minimum of 2 mini street classes offered at shows??? Since ministeet does not go to finals that will cover keeping the pros out and any show promoter or judge will know who at their event should be bumped into Street class.....I can see how allot of us want an SS 1 class and allot want the combination of some of the higher classes but all and all we already seem to have less classes than allot of other organizations...that keeps allot of people from coming over from them because they get grouped with other people they cant possibly hang with...instead of cutting classes in SS and EX maybe just restructure them a bit in EX and drop one class there to allow for a SS 1 class since there seems to be a unanimous wanting for a single sub ss class.....the only classes that may need a looking at would be those that were not full at finals....IMO if the brackets were full in a class it should stay....allot of people have been making posts with the questions like "what draws the big crowds at events and gets all the attention?" Yes the close head to head battles separated by .1 or .2dbs gather a large crowd but from all the comp I have gone to the largest gathering of people has been for the just way out there installs.....30 6x9s...24 8L7s.....56 5 1/4s .....most of them are SS 9+ cars and can and will play music ballz out......I know this post will most likely get ignored but why should we take a step back?? if well add a more structured mini street class and an SS 1 class instead of killing off a few classes it will accomplish allot of the goals Wayne wants....SS 1 will gather those from IASCA and other organizations who run one 15 and don't fit in the Street rules.....a mandatory mini street will make it so there is always a place for the new guy to play...something at simple as a shinny plastic trophy for a simple $10 or $15 entry fee in a class made for them will attract more street beaters than you think...and maybe make a place in the rules that the small 1x shows don't need to offer full classes for SS and EX?? I know some places do fill up the brackets but I know up here I have seen a total of one EX vehicle at a 1x event and 4 total in SS 3+ since I started in '01 some of around 40+ events I have been too.....like at a 1x they could have....
Mini Street A Mini Street B
Street A Street B
SS1 SS2 SS3+
EX open
I know that would not be enough for the large markets but for the places like around here that is plenty for a 1x....between mini and Street A that covers 80% of the cars that show up around here....For the 2x 3x and large area 1x events have the full alotment of classes.....
Mini Street A - optional at 2x and 3x events Mini Street B - " "
Street A Street B
SS1 SSNW SS2 SS3-4 SS5-8 SS9+
EX1 EX2 EX4-7 EX8+
sorry for the long winded post....just my $.02 .....take it as you see fit....I love this sport and I just want to see it grow and grow.....
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I do not see a rason to have a street and pro-strret, when he score (everything close to equal) will have VERY similar scores.
Last year a TEAM moved from Mini-street to National in Oklahome (us- TEAM B.Y.O.B.), and it appears anothe rperson is going to make the nationl jump.
IMO, it is a GREAT learning environment. Just think if each of the major states holding events good get 1 to 2 people to make a jump..that would be a HUGE addition of new people to the sport.
JMO
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I offer 5 mini street classes and 5 national classes at all single point events.
Mini Street $15
Here are some classes I offer on a local level. As many of you know, we've had GREAT success running these classes.
MSD1 - 1-160 sq inches - 1-12, 2-10's, or 3-8's / 1200 watts max
This allows for most affordable amps up to the kicker 1200.1. Most kids running 10's or single 12's dont' have over 1200 watts max anyway. Kids with single 10's are happy to run against single 12's.
This class allows for more cone area. Again, limits amps up to the kicker 1200.1.
MSD3 - 161-250 sq inches - 1-15, 2-12's, 3-10's or 4-8's / 1201-2500 watts max
For those guys that have more cone area and more power. This classes allows for almost any single big amp, such as the Memphis Mojo, Zapco 9.0 and Orion 2500. This also allows for 2 smaller amps like 2-Memphis 1000d's or 2-Kicker 1200.1's.
MSD4 - 251-500 sq inches - 1-18, 2-15's, 4-12's or 6-10's / 1-2500 watts max
This class allows for those kids more cone area. The power is kept to a fair minimum not allowing over 2500 watts max rated power.
MSD 5 - OPEN
This is the class for those competitors that huge sound systems.
These classes work great in this area. They wont work all over the United States. Each region is different.
National $20
Street A Street B Super Street No Wall 1-2 Super Street 1-2 Super Street 3+
I offer Extreme with half price entry fee and no trophy ( $10 bucks )
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dBSteve Get Loud Productions LLC Posts: 8436 | From: Midwest | Registered: Aug 2000
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quote:Originally posted by dBSteve: I offer 5 mini street classes and 5 national classes at all single point events.
Mini Street $15
Here are some classes I offer on a local level. As many of you know, we've had GREAT success running these classes.
MSD1 - 1-160 sq inches - 1-12, 2-10's, or 3-8's / 1200 watts max
This allows for most affordable amps up to the kicker 1200.1. Most kids running 10's or single 12's dont' have over 1200 watts max anyway. Kids with single 10's are happy to run against single 12's.
This class allows for more cone area. Again, limits amps up to the kicker 1200.1.
MSD3 - 161-250 sq inches - 1-15, 2-12's, 3-10's or 4-8's / 1201-2500 watts max
For those guys that have more cone area and more power. This classes allows for almost any single big amp, such as the Memphis Mojo, Zapco 9.0 and Orion 2500. This also allows for 2 smaller amps like 2-Memphis 1000d's or 2-Kicker 1200.1's.
MSD4 - 251-500 sq inches - 1-18, 2-15's, 4-12's or 6-10's / 1-2500 watts max
This class allows for those kids more cone area. The power is kept to a fair minimum not allowing over 2500 watts max rated power.
MSD 5 - OPEN
This is the class for those competitors that huge sound systems.
These classes work great in this area. They wont work all over the United States. Each region is different.
National $20
Street A Street B Super Street No Wall 1-2 Super Street 1-2 Super Street 3+
I offer Extreme with half price entry fee and no trophy ( $10 bucks )
Sounds like you run some great shows out there....that is the way it should be done..instead of cutting back...you offer more..
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I think keep it all as this year - just tighten rules. I also run the Mini street as follows and its very popular especially with the younger generation.
[Rules: Mini Street 8 (A) Competitors are limited to a maximum of 2 each 8-inch woofers and a single multi-channel amp.
Mini Street 10 (B) Competitors are limited to a maximum of 2 each 10-inch woofers and a single multi-channel amp
If there are not enough competitors for both divisions they will be combined [Mini Street]
Additional Guidelines for the Mini Street Division: Each subwoofer amplifier is limited to a maximum of 4 “non-bridged” output channels or 2 “bridged” output channels. Amplifiers used for non-subwoofer applications will not be counted. Subwoofers may not contain more than 1 voice coil per sub. (ie SVC) Cargo vans and commercial vehicles are prohibited from competing in the Street Division. Sponsored vehicles are not permitted in the Mini Street Division.]
Hey it works for us....
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quote:Originally posted by OkMariner: I do not see a rason to have a street and pro-strret, when he score (everything close to equal) will have VERY similar scores.
What about extreme.. all classes are very close, not to meantion the loudest car being a 1 sub car.. but will they get rid of all the extreme classes and merge into 1?
Nope, so just like that, there is a reason to have a pro street division, although if it will happen or not thats another story..
-------------------- Shattered and Broken. Now Recovering. Posts: 1226 | From: Mississauga, ON, Canada | Registered: Feb 2002
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quote:Originally posted by OkMariner: I do not see a rason to have a street and pro-strret, when he score (everything close to equal) will have VERY similar scores.
What about extreme.. all classes are very close, not to meantion the loudest car being a 1 sub car.. but will they get rid of all the extreme classes and merge into 1?
Nope, so just like that, there is a reason to have a pro street division, although if it will happen or not thats another story..
I can not see a reason to make just one EX class for all shows but i can see a reason to combind some of the EX and SS classes at 1x events..its not like you need a ton of mini street classes at a 2 or 3x event....the only ones who will put up the 40 or $60 to enter would be the more "pro" street guys........alot of the promoters at shows i have been too did not know they could combind some of the higher classes at their 1x events and too to a litteral translation from the rule book that they had to offer every class to host an event......if there was something in the rules stating some of the higher SS and ex classes can be combind for small 1x events this would make for more of the small show hosting people to offer more mini street classes........$.02 more from me
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quote:Originally posted by Ghost man: ..its not like you need a ton of mini street classes at a 2 or 3x event....the only ones who will put up the 40 or $60 to enter would be the more "pro" street guys
Who says you have to charge more for Mini Street? Around here, Mini Street prices at a 2X are $25 and National classes $40.
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dBSteve Get Loud Productions LLC Posts: 8436 | From: Midwest | Registered: Aug 2000
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quote:Originally posted by Ghost man: ..its not like you need a ton of mini street classes at a 2 or 3x event....the only ones who will put up the 40 or $60 to enter would be the more "pro" street guys
Who says you have to charge more for Mini Street? Around here, Mini Street prices at a 2X are $25 and National classes $40.
The thing is that it is not written or suggested in the rules so alot of poeple.....mostly the ones who never come here and only know of what they read in the rule book, dont know they are alowed to adjust certin things...like haveing the mini street prices low.......i dont know..it just seems there are alot of "unwritten" rules and things of the like that we all just take for granted but alot of the small show hosts are not aware of.....
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quote:Originally posted by Ghost man: ..its not like you need a ton of mini street classes at a 2 or 3x event....the only ones who will put up the 40 or $60 to enter would be the more "pro" street guys
Who says you have to charge more for Mini Street? Around here, Mini Street prices at a 2X are $25 and National classes $40.
The thing is that it is not written or suggested in the rules so alot of poeple.....mostly the ones who never come here and only know of what they read in the rule book, dont know they are alowed to adjust certin things...like haveing the mini street prices low.......i dont know..it just seems there are alot of "unwritten" rules and things of the like that we all just take for granted but alot of the small show hosts are not aware of.....
In the retailer handbook, it outlines the Mini Street classes.
The problem is most retailers file the rulebook in a draw and leave it up to the sales staff to run the show based upon what they 'think' is the rules.
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dBSteve Get Loud Productions LLC Posts: 8436 | From: Midwest | Registered: Aug 2000
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quote:Originally posted by Ghost man: ..its not like you need a ton of mini street classes at a 2 or 3x event....the only ones who will put up the 40 or $60 to enter would be the more "pro" street guys
Who says you have to charge more for Mini Street? Around here, Mini Street prices at a 2X are $25 and National classes $40.
The thing is that it is not written or suggested in the rules so alot of poeple.....mostly the ones who never come here and only know of what they read in the rule book, dont know they are alowed to adjust certin things...like haveing the mini street prices low.......i dont know..it just seems there are alot of "unwritten" rules and things of the like that we all just take for granted but alot of the small show hosts are not aware of.....
In the retailer handbook, it outlines the Mini Street classes.
The problem is most retailers file the rulebook in a draw and leave it up to the sales staff to run the show based upon what they 'think' is the rules.
That is very true...around here...most of them just gave up on having drags and just have more local based "sound offs" with the overall classification more IASCA like.....i tried all season to get some more shows around here and even offered to pay for the $100 '03 membership for one shop....they just were not interested because of the low profit margin....i just wish there was some way to make the prospect of hosting a few shows more apealing for the local shops......a more organized definition and set of rules for mini street would be a start......
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name mini street "Amature street" i know some people do not like the name.
I can name quite a a bit of local comp that have sound off.
Hey don you should come down for the bellefonte cruise or even the cool cruise if you like sound off's. they draw from all over central pa. They are actually what i am building for the top was a 152 on the old mic. THey are down by State college (Penn State)
a kia sportage with no back seat one large box a 9512 and a amp to be found after new rules.
quote:Originally posted by dkmst23: just one comment
name mini street "Amature street" i know some people do not like the name.
In three years doing more shows than anyone, I have never heard anyone from this area complain
Well we could always rename street "pro street" and call mini street "street".......pro would be just as street is now and street would be just like mini........more appeling for the newbies...and with "pro" in
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