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Three years ago this class was meant to be a savior for the competitors that had a stock set up 15's in the rear and getting blown away by the wall guys.now it's all about who has the best modded type vehicle cut thru's cut bottoms etc.There's definetly more modded vehicles in ss 1-2nw than the SS wall class.This class has run amuck It's just as competive as the wall class now becuase the pro's and sponcered competiors improvised this class,I see no reason to keep this class under the same rules unless modifications to the vehicles in ss 1-2nw are prohibited.I think eliminating nw and creating ss 1 would be more appropriate and less cost/time effective for competitors.just my 2 cents....wait....damn,they only gave me a penny.
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This is a very valid point the probem is that SS NW is the second largest class next to Street A...so IMO it would not be good to just eliminate it all together...
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I totally agree!!! No wall should have little more restrictions on the modifications allowed. Mostly to represent it's class properly.
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Jason Meyer
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I agree totaly...but some people think that ss nw wasnt created for that reason but i remember as you guys do that it was for the street guy with 15's. But I had a judge tell me that wasnt the reason for it and getting ride of it and adding ss1 wouldnt make sence.
12v batterys(Not 12v system ie 2x 6v cells) You could possabley even limit the number of batterys 8???(Have a basic size limit so people dont use train batterys etc,eg approx size of a stinger 1700 say)This would help to kill off power some of the huge amps out there make.
Amps are limited by the DVC driver(max your ever going to get is 4 amps)
This class would cut the cost of ss1-2nw as it is now and help bridge the large gap from st-a to ss1-2nw.A ss1-2nw vehicle is no cheaper to build than a ss1-2(the gear is pretty much the same just extra money to build wall etc.
quote:Originally posted by Meyer: I totally agree!!! No wall should have little more restrictions on the modifications allowed. Mostly to represent it's class properly.
Later,
Jason Meyer
I sec that.
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quote:Originally posted by Ghost man: This is a very valid point the probem is that SS NW is the second largest class next to Street A...so IMO it would not be good to just eliminate it all together...
is it the second largest class, i mean actual legit people in that class, or is it convenient when someone is beat in street to go to that class to get all the points and a 1st place trophy? i still think a NW unlimited would be best. Add 1 class, ss1, do not get rid of any, ss1 will support itself, and not delute the field much, if at all. reregulate extreme cabins. reregulate street to be more friendly to incoming competitors.
quote:Originally posted by Ghost man: This is a very valid point the probem is that SS NW is the second largest class next to Street A...so IMO it would not be good to just eliminate it all together...
is it the second largest class, i mean actual legit people in that class, or is it convenient when someone is beat in street to go to that class to get all the points and a 1st place trophy? i still think a NW unlimited would be best. Add 1 class, ss1, do not get rid of any, ss1 will support itself, and not delute the field much, if at all. reregulate extreme cabins. reregulate street to be more friendly to incoming competitors.
get all the points? points has nothing to do with the subject at hand and can be obtained from any class!NW is the second largest class becuase most of the competitors that make up the NW class are local street competitors with 15's in a street/stock type set up in their vehicles who have no inentions or can't qualify for finals.....ss 1 would be the so-called replacement class and predictably this class would be the second largest or the largest.
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hey scraper, chill... i think there are 2 ways to go about this. 1, no one is in the higher classes, but higher classes is what got dbdrag here, the reason why there are no more higher classes is because now the sport has...
A) gotten ridiculous amount of power in vehicles B) has all these low classes that are cheap
i think its time a power limit came back into play, if this happens you will see more people start competing in the upper classes again. i do not agree with combining ss5-8,9+, ex 5-8,9+. i do think NW is a good inbetween class for street and superstreet, i was meerly pointing out if nw was unlimitted woofers, it would be better for incoming people that have larger street stereos with 4 15s, 6 12s, and what not.
quote:Originally posted by jarfunkz: hey scraper, chill... i think there are 2 ways to go about this. 1, no one is in the higher classes, but higher classes is what got dbdrag here, the reason why there are no more higher classes is because now the sport has...
A) gotten ridiculous amount of power in vehicles B) has all these low classes that are cheap
i think its time a power limit came back into play, if this happens you will see more people start competing in the upper classes again. i do not agree with combining ss5-8,9+, ex 5-8,9+. i do think NW is a good in between class for street and superstreet, i was meerly pointing out if nw was unlimitted woofers, it would be better for incoming people that have larger street stereos with 4 15s, 6 12s, and what not.
Unlimited NW still would not solve the problem of this class running amuck,it would make it worst.unlimited-that means more batts more amps more subs which there would still be way more modds cut thru's/bottoms etc.the higher classes is not sole reason for db drag's success,it's the lower classes like street that has more participation.affordablility brings in entry level competitors. I agree with 5-8 and 9+ should not be combined.a power limit would be very hard to police just look at what zapco did back in 2000 with their 6.0's rated 300 but puts out over 1200.manufactures will find a way to circumvent the rules.quads are very simple to police "I see four plugs "I see two plugs".
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why isn't there an ext 1-2 nw? naaaaahhhh... ss1 would be very affordable,less equipt would bring in more types of vehicles to this class,unlike the common caravans,pick-ups,astro etc and I bet it would be a huge class!
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as i was thinking about moving back to pittsburgh, this thought came to mind. people who live in PA must undergo a very strict vehicle inspection in order to get their vehicle registered each year. i can not imagine what would happen to a competitor in superstreet who has a basement dug out in their vehicle when he/she goes to get inspected. man, PA will not pass your vehicle if you have a chipped windshield or even rust! they will never pass a vehicle with the oem floor cut out and lowered to accomodate their stereo equipment. all those who live or have lived in pa know exactly what i mean. and i am sure that pa is not the only state that does mandatory annual vehicle registration inspections. so my point is, if a competitor couldn't even register their vehicle legally in one state because of a type of modification that is allowed in dbdrag, should we just let them be left out? or should there be a mandatory rule about vehicles being legal for every state, and even every country? i'm just throwing out thoughts here. please do not tell me i'm complaining and flame me.
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Although having a registered and street legal vehicle has never been a requirement to compete in any class in DbDrag, I would like to see all Street and Super Street vehicles be registered in their respective states. With this being said I would also like more defined rules for the NW class, not necessarily more restrictive.
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you need a copy of your registration to even get into the building at finals. that is what i was refering to. but my point was about the fact that someone in pa would not be able to perform most types of interior or exterior mods due to state laws.
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I agree that No-Wall got way out of hand, but there is no way that single class can be "restricted".... what do I mean by that? Cause its in the "Super Street Division". Wayne has posted that the Super Street Division is basicly a street car in the up front passenger area, but on back more like Extreme.
So instead of changing the Super Street 1-2 No Wall class, make another Street Class and start Super Street with SS 1-2, not SS 1-2NW.
-Street 1 same as 2003 street a -Street 2 same as 2003 street b -Street 3 2 12's, 1 15/ 2 amps, 2 batteries -Street 4 4 12's, 2 15's, 1 18 / 4 amps, 4 batteries
-Super Street 1-2 -Super Street 3-4 -Super Street 5-8 -Super Street 9+
-Extreme 1 -Extreme 2-4 -Extreme 5-7 -Extreme 8+
There is 12 classes and 4 classes each Division.
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quote:Originally posted by Luin Haden: -Street 1 same as 2003 street a -Street 2 same as 2003 street b -Street 3 2 12's, 1 15/ 2 amps, 2 batteries -Street 4 4 12's, 2 15's, 1 18 / 4 amps, 4 batteries
I am not sure what you mean by this. are u saying that street 1 would be only one sub and same rules as street a now. because your street 3 is the same as 2003 street a.
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-Street A 2 12's / 1 15 / 1 battery (1amp) -Street B 4 12's / 2 15 / 2 batteries (1-2amps) -Pro Street same as 2003 street A -Pro Street same as 2003 street B
-Super Street 1-2 -Super Street 3-4 -Super Street 5-8 -Super Street 9+
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